Liverpool - post match thread.

The inclusion of Kolarov as a full back is mystifying and just so wrong its untrue. For a manager of Peps experience its almost criminal and if he continues to pick him in that position he deserves all the flak coming his way im afraid.

More worrying for me than our defensive frailties is our toothless attack right now and yesterday again, we looked awful going forwards.

Pep has to find the right balance and certain players are just going to have to sit it out im afraid as you cant shoehorn players in for the sake of it or because of past reputations. In my opinion, Kun should not have started yesterday.

Pep will get it right sooner rather than later, ive no doubt about it but his selections yesterday and then abject substitutions leave him open to justifiable criticism.

When we announced him coming, to a fan we all thought the days of certain players not being arsed where over and that he wouldn't stand for it and make the changes needed yet its appearing it isnt like that right now and it needs to start.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
And sometimes if we shoot we might score
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That was basic defending and he failed to even attempt it. Disgraceful as it was against Leicester. Kolorov plays when he wants, he should have been replaced years ago. People on here slagging aguero off but we didn't create one genuine chance. He was completely isolated and he's not played for 4 games. There are few if any better cf than Sergio and where would we be without his goals? Plenty of upgrades on kolorov who's overall contribution to city has been what? Aguero can't do his job without the right service. Anyone can jump and head a cross away or more importantly attempt to properly.
 
dronefromsector7G said:
Watch it again, second half there was a 15 minute spell where they could barely get out of their half. We were suddenly aggressive and hunting them down, without actually creating much. My issue is, why do we turn this aggression on and off like a fucking tap?
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We were, yes. But it really never got out of hand for any of their back line. No scary moments, and as I said, it was Liverpools strategy to absorb our attacks and pressure, nullify and break. All too easy for them.
If we went into the last 30mins at 1-1 they would have been playing completely different. Whether the outcome would have been any different is up for debate, but our stategy was pretty much telegraphed to the scourers (no, that's not a spelling mistake).
 
IWasHere said:
He couldn't have done anything imo, but you could argue that if yaya didn't make a killer pass to him in the first place he wouldn't have been put in that situation
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Did you see kolorov jump? His control or lack of it from Yayas ball was disgraceful for a premier league player
 
For all sorts of reasons, most of Pep's signings have rarely been available, so by and large, we're stuck with two ageing full backs, a lightweight midfield that struggles to assert itself, and a striker who seems a shadow of his former self.

Our only hope for this season is that Sane continues to improve, and Jesus hits the ground running. Otherwise, we'll be having the same arguments about the same players, as City slide towards 6th.

As for last night, Silva and De Bruyne had a decent 10 minutes between them, but both remained peripheral figures. Aguero was completely anonymous, and the delay over the Navas substitution was almost as embarrassing as the City fan acting like a cowardly rag in the last minute.
Fuck off to the swamp if you want to throw flares.
 
Whilst the end game is going to be something truly special, both Pep and Begiristain dropped a massive bollock with their choice of players in the summer.

Instead of spending money on Moreno, Zinchenko, Rulli and Sane we should have reinforced the fullback area.

Pep wants to play a high intensity system yet his tools to do so are all wrong. The fact we were never really linked with a RB, and the fact that Grimaldo went to Benfica for £2m, shows how much we've overlooked key areas.

Pellegrini's last summer, Alex Sandro was on the market. A top class LB who was available for £18m. Rather than spend the money, we decided to splash £13m on Patrick Roberts who's spent the last 18 months on loan.

It's all well and good buying these young talents, but for the here and now we needed those upgrades, and to have four fullbacks over 30, and our youngest CM to be 28 is absolutely wank decision making.
 
IWasHere said:
He couldn't have done anything imo, but you could argue that if yaya didn't make a killer pass to him in the first place he wouldn't have been put in that situation
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To blame Yaya is laughable, he passed it and maybe under pressure but that doesn't mean he couldn't make his pass does it? The fact yaya passed it there doesn't mean he loses his "ability" to kick a football?
 
Scaring Europe to Death said:
For all sorts of reasons, most of Pep's signings have rarely been available, so by and large, we're stuck with two ageing full backs, a lightweight midfield that struggles to assert itself, and a striker who seems a shadow of his former self.

Our only hope for this season is that Sane continues to improve, and Jesus hits the ground running. Otherwise, we'll be having the same arguments about the same players, as City slide towards 6th.

As for last night, Silva and De Bruyne had a decent 10 minutes between them, but both remained peripheral figures. Aguero was completely anonymous, and the delay over the Navas substitution was almost as embarrassing as the City fan acting like a cowardly rag in the last minute.
Fuck off to the swamp if you want to throw flares.
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We need some fullbacks and have done for years! Pep or whoevers failure to correct this is unforgivable. Personally I think the failure is Txixi's to not buy at least one fullback this summer was a joke
 
I think the same about Aguero. I've said it a couple of times I don't think Pep fancies him and it shows in kuns attitude and approach on the pitch imo. I fully expect him to be gone by the end of this season and set the wheels in motion now for a replacement. If we can we need to buy now in January and inject a bit of new blood into the backline. On current form I can see us slipping out the top 4, luckily for us everyone around us plays eachother but it's pointless if we don't get points on the board.
We got a huge rebuild on our hands here, those first 10 games sucked us all in, but as Andy tate said we've got to wake up and smell the coffee.
 
bugsyblue said:
Whereas I assume you'd want someone like klopp at the helm? Except in his first season in the prem, of course, because Liverpool finished 8th, wasn't it, and I'm guessing you would have definetly lost faith then?

Here's a manager who, imo and I'm sure a lot of people's, coached the best team I've ever seen play. He then went on to coach a very good Bayern side. He's won more trophies in the last decade than anyone. He's managed some of the best players in the world, implemented an attacking system that he's world renowned for, and probably has been given the biggest accolades from fellow professionals, colleagues and rivals than any other single manager to date.

Now you might not give a shit about any of that but let me ask you a question, if not Pep then who? Please tell me who you think could magically wave their wand and turn this side into champions within 6 months?

If you struggle to answer that how about just getting behind the manager, behind the team, and give him the support he needs to do his job. We have the chance to build something special with pep, it may not work, but let's not abandon it after 6 months!
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Where have I said I wanted Klopp?

Yes Pep has got a great record. Wow. Unlike you my friend I'm not going to become a history boy, looking back like the Dippers and Rags. What matters is what he does now and in the future. In terms of who else, that's just a stock response to any criticism that is thrown Pep's way. You honestly telling me he shouldn't be doing better than he is now? We are ten, yes ten points behind a team that finished mid-table last season - remind me how long their manger has been in charge?

We concede goals at will, can't score for toffee despite spending a fortune on attackers, and are the softest of soft touches. He persist with players clearly past their prime and lacking ability, whilst ignoring a stunning youth system full of hungry and capable players, two of which he's now shipped out on loan to a Spanish second division team. Wow. Well played Pep. He's got a great record though.

And who are you to suggest I don't get behind the team? This is a message board where people can vent and express their opinions. It has no bearing on how I behave at the ground. I'm desperate for Pep to do well, because if he does, then it will mean my beloved City are doing well also. City come before any one man, and if I think City are being damaged by someone, no matter who that someone is, then I'll say so. At the moment I have little faith in what Pep is doing. That doesn't mean that I don't hope he restores that faith again by actually starting to win games. If and when he does, I'll express my gratitude and joy accordingly.

Happy new year.
 
The most hurtful thing about that game was that Liverpool were there for the taking. Before the game I was scared of Liverpools attacking, yet like us they did fuck all in attack apart from the deciding header. For all that quality we have in attack it's a head fuck how we weren't able to create even a single clear chance.
 
Predictable as could be. Most of us saw that unfolding weeks ago. I'm just surprised they only scored one and that they were pretty shit as well. That doesn't excuse our performance or set-up.

Yet again Silva was playing amongst a load of players hiding and missing. Did de Bruyne play? Did Kun contribute anything? What's going on with those two of late? They are WELL off the pace. I can't remember the last time either played well.

And what's going on with Guardiola's Pellegrini style of not reading what the opponent will do, I thought that was one of his strong points?
 
burning blue soul said:
We were, yes. But it really never got out of hand for any of their back line. No scary moments, and as I said, it was Liverpools strategy to absorb our attacks and pressure, nullify and break. All too easy for them.
If we went into the last 30mins at 1-1 they would have been playing completely different. Whether the outcome would have been any different is up for debate, but our stategy was pretty much telegraphed to the scourers (no, that's not a spelling mistake).
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Spot on mate - our spell of pressure was them allowing us to play. Had they not been winning they'd have been all over us and the way we're playing at the moment, we can't cope with that and against a decent attack (such as Liverpool), we'd have folded
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Oh deary me! The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!

Two TOP teams, with two WORLD CLASS coaches, who knew how to nullify each other's strengths created a game that was short on chances. SHOCKER!

It is clear there was a difference between the two teams...desire to get stuck in and attack the ball...but that still didn't negate the fact that City had 50% more possession, and almost complete control of the second half, but the problem of us breaking down a 10/11 man defence persists. What to do?

10 things:

Firstly, you start by lowering the age of the squad, which Pep is doing, because the game is passing older players by...and we know who they are, but so do other teams!

Secondly, you cultivate the talents of the wide players and you create a system that helps them play to their strengths.

Third, when you pull the opposing defence wide to cover the wingers, you create more space in the holes for the likes of Silva, KDB, Ferni, Yaya, Gundogan, and Aguero/Kelechi.

Fourth, anyone who thought this team, at this time, was going to roll over a Liverpool team in fine form, at Anfield, is naïve at best, deluded at worst.

Fifth, there was ALWAYS going to be six teams vying for four CL positions, and at least two or three of them were going to be fighting for the Champions position.

Sixth, it has taken BOTH Chelsea and Liverpool having their best starts to the Premier League EVER to create some daylight by year's end.

Seventh, City lost today to a team that had ZERO SHOTS ON GOAL....ZERO! They had ONE header on target and scored from it.

Eighth, City had TWO shots on goal, both weak, but created FAR MORE offensive threat over a longer period, even though it amounted to very little cutting edge goal mouth action.

Ninth, EVERY SINGLE FOOTBALL PERSON knows what City's weaknesses are, but today they were exposed for ONE chance that won the game.

Tenth, Pep/Txiki/Ferran will fix it. This is a process, notnthe finished article. We ALL knew this when Pep was hired, and he needs time to adjust, teach, and recruit the quality needed to play the way he wants. That is going to include speed, size (I hope!) and ball playing ability.

It never feels good to lose to a close rival, especially one that you hate and rarely beat, but reading some of the comments on here, anyone would think we were going down and United were going to win the League! FFS, have some context and moderation, otherwise when you do go off, at least it will be considered reasonable and warranted.

Seriously...hard to even bother reading most of the comments, because they are so unnecessarily hysterical.
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I'm actually glad I bothered to read yours.
 
Tom_mcfc said:
To blame Yaya is laughable, he passed it and maybe under pressure but that doesn't mean he couldn't make his pass does it? The fact yaya passed it there doesn't mean he loses his "ability" to kick a football?
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It's easy to say that when watching on tv/stands but when someone passes the ball to you under pressure and have you have no options ahead of you what do you expects going to happen

My heart skips a beat every time I watch this

 
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