Liverpool - post match thread.

[M18CTID]

And when we finish tenth, we'll sing this song again!!

 

[Sky Blue]

We played alright. This forum is toxic when we lose. All the same moaners don't post when we win. Unlucky loss against a good Liverpool team

Correct, the usual suspects disappeared for 3 games.

 

[bluemc1]

Something in that line up. Not sure about Toure there though

Yep not ideal like I say and the general side of defensive basics might not be the best but I feel we actually would retain the ball more and create from the back a little more like Pep wants like this
Also have more possession limiting the actual real defensive work we would have to do
Just sick to fucking death of watching us fuck up at the back
Didn't feel this fed up when we were shit shit :(

 

[simon23]

Our players not being played to their strengths. Chelsea players are and they look better and stronger then what they really are. Put Cahill instead of Stones and he would struggle. Put Costa for Kun ask him to do what we ask from Kun and he would struggle. We are very much like Spain were in world cup 2014. Tiki-taka only works with very good high pressing version and lots of pace. Without these its easy to defend against and not very hard to punish defensively.

Navas, Sterling, Kun , KDB they would be perfect for a counter attack team. They all like big places ahead of themsleves instead of it they have to play in a system that makes them face 2 opponents every times in very tight places sometimes without time to even turn and look.

Chelsea sometimes happily lets other teams have a bit of possession in return when they win it back they have actually time and place to make quick attacks. If we find Sterling, Kolarov, Navas with some free place on the wings and they can cross usually no one in the box maybe Kun and 3 defenders but thats it. Silva, KDB very far from action in these situations.

We dont do quick attacks lots of counter chances we have is when Kun or Sterling gets the ball at half way line. And obviously 2-3 opponents still on their own half still. Usually our player runs a bit and turn back waits for others to join and this 10-20-30 seconds more than enough to turn it into the usualy parked bus situation and we often play the bacpass so Otamendi, Stones start the attack and the sideways tiki-taka begins again.

Even Pool were happy to give us the possession in our half they did not press our defenders much until someone with the ball went over the halfway line.

Majority of our possession comes from the area between our box and the halfway line, we passed the ball a lot in that area without being pressed much, meaningless passes without any danger to create something. While we are passing there quite far from opponent box they have time to organize themselves, pick up any runner, mark more dangeorus players tightly upfront.

absolutely spot on..

 

[simon23]

aguero, kdb, silva and sterling
Vs lallana, origi, mane and winaldum.

I would take our team / squad over theirs.

What I find most frustrating is that the club knew pellers was a stop gap whilst they waited for pep and with his best mate as DOF should have been building a squad for pep to take over and hit the ground running. Last season we wrote off as just waiting for him to arrive. Now some are writing this season off because they say the squad needs overhauling. Next season they will say the players are bedding in... he has a three year contract.

id have mane over navas
id have winaldum over fernando and now maybe yaya (not in the past )

 

[burning blue soul]

Or in Chelsea's case, go behind and allow themselves to get battered by us but somehow come out of it only 1-0 down - thanks in no small part to De Bruyne missing a chance that he sticks away 99 times out of 100 - and then punt a long ball up to Costa who turns Otamendi and slots it past Bravo, then score 2 more on the counter and cue a media wankfest about a Conte tactical masterclass!

Haha! Maybe, but the trend is the same. We suffer on the break. After not making the most of our own chances.

 

[sir baconface]

The players don't press and harass the other players, something that happens to us nearly on a daily basis. Pep bangs on about second balls yet we never win one.

Ironic that even journeyman managers regularly do this to us. Burnley will be well up for it tomorrow.

This is where the "jam tomorrow" argument wears thin. Pulis and his ilk are doing this today with a fraction of our resources.

 

[simon23]

But how do you know he's not asking the players to do exactly that?

well if he is and they aint responding then they need to be dropped.....not now but 8-10 games ago

and what we are seeing as an overall team shape week in week out clearly says he isn't asking them to do it.....its not just yesterdays games...its every game win or lose....the set up is similar in terms of us being wide open defensively...it was there in the very first game and was there yesterday...huge gapping holes between back line and midfield whereas other teams are more compact defensively and then can attack at pace etc.....we do neither

 

[Tom_mcfc]

Ironic that even journeyman managers regularly do this to us. Burnley will be well up for it tomorrow.

This is where the "jam tomorrow" argument wears thin. Pulis and his ilk are doing this today with a fraction of our resources.

Every team doesn't give us an inch, our players couldn't press their trousers

 

[The-Dogs-Pollocks]

id have mane over navas
id have winaldum over fernando and now maybe yaya (not in the past )

Navas isnt a starter. When I looked at the starting 11's I thought we had the better players.

 

[Chippy_boy]

How a team with our resources, can end up with a defence like ours is frightening.

It is fucking staggering to be sure. That said, if we got rid of Kolarov and Clichy and replaced them with someone even 1/2 decent, it would be transformational. I seriously wonder how many points Kolarov has cost us all on his own. Yesterday's fuck up was another down to him, again.

 

[stan bowles]

It's called taking your eye off the ball,should have been addressed a few seasons back properly..[/QUTE]

But he keeps picking Zabaleta ahead of Sagna who was arguably the best fullback at Euro 2016. Pep needs to use his resources properly...Sagna is way ahead of Zabaleta (the 2016/17 model) and needs to start.

 

[simon23]

Navas isnt a starter. When I looked at the starting 11's I thought we had the better players.

better players only when played in the right system playing to their better attributes........nto trying to shoehorn all our attacking midfielders into one team

Sane is a pep player....high intensity, defends from the front and will run and run all game.....is he a better player than silva, kdb no he isn't but they are being asked to do this and hey cant

winaldum would be a much better option to play alongside ferna than Yaya in games like that yesterday....powerful, great engine...keeps it simple

 

[The-Dogs-Pollocks]

It is fucking staggering to be sure. That said, if we got rid of Kolarov and Clichy and replaced them with someone even 1/2 decent, it would be transformational. I seriously wonder how many points Kolarov has cost us all on his own. Yesterday's fuck up was another down to him, again.

Was a bit dissapointed maffeo and angelino have been loaned out.

 

[AntonDonJuan]

We create nothing. We are so void of ideas in attack it's a joke. To say we have so many attscking players in the line up it's actually laughable it's like they are coached not to shoot

 

[bugsyblue]

well if he is and they aint responding then they need to be dropped.....not now but 8-10 games ago

and what we are seeing as an overall team shape week in week out clearly says he isn't asking them to do it.....its not just yesterdays games...its every game win or lose....the set up is similar in terms of us being wide open defensively...it was there in the very first game and was there yesterday...huge gapping holes between back line and midfield whereas other teams are more compact defensively and then can attack at pace etc.....we do neither

Well I think if us fans can see the issues then Pep Guadiola can. The reality is it's probably a bit harder to rectify than us armchair managers think but you're not wrong.

 

[cleavers]

What happened, he should have controlled the ball from yayas free kick, instead due to his shit technique his lame ass back pass goes back to Liverpool and then he is too slow to get back to block the header.

He wasn't too slow to get back though, he was back, and got in a good position before the cross, he just didn't watch the scorer as he then let him back in front of him, it was nothing to do with his pace, but his poor defending.

However as I asked last night, where were the 2 CB's in that move, and how did they manage to get the ball through our midfield, from right corner to left corner of the pitch, to Lallana with such ease for the cross, and where was the challenge on the cross ? Kolarovs part in the goal was certainly poor, but most of the team played some part in how crap it was.

We are so easily bypassed at times, that you can almost call a goal when the ball is still in the opposition final third, once we give it away. Its a team thing not an individual thing, yes he should have done better with the pass from Yaya, and certainly with a challenge on the guy who scored, but there is more to it than just Kolarov's input.

 

[sir baconface]

I've said it before but by selling Aguero for a decent price, we can bring in two top quality replacements. Two players who are more mobile and don't hang around in offside positions waiting for "service".

Can't believe I'm hearing Aguero isn't suitable material and we can't make anything of him.

Nor would recruitment history encourage me to bet everything on the replacements being a roaring success.

 

[bondsman]

Sanchez, Griezmann, Aubameyang, Lacazette, Icardi (who Pep had at Barca), Dybala, Bellotti, etc. None of those spend most of the game waiting for service a yard in front of the last defender, thereby making themselves unavailable for a through ball.

None of whom are prem proven except Sanchez whose record does not compare to Sergio. Lacazette and Icardi not fit to lace aguero shoots imo. Aubameyeng had the chance to sign and has stated he wants Madrid and again isn't at sergios level. Griezmann would be a great addition but not sure he's an upgrade.

 

[The-Dogs-Pollocks]

better players only when played in the right system playing to their better attributes........nto trying to shoehorn all our attacking midfielders into one team

Sane is a pep player....high intensity, defends from the front and will run and run all game.....is he a better player than silva, kdb no he isn't but they are being asked to do this and hey cant

winaldum would be a much better option to play alongside ferna than Yaya in games like that yesterday....powerful, great engine...keeps it simple

Yep I agree we arent getting the most out of them at the moment.