Burtonblue
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Liverpool Post Match
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citytill1die84
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blueinsa said:Ive just walked in as i had to go out with the kids this morning so missed the game.
Really that bad?
Beaten by 2 goal of the season candidates.
depressed ..always have defended our manager...but he has been giving a very wenger-esque vibe , in that while he is good at most things...he is VERY stubborn....doesnt like to adapt....how would you explain 4 4 2 after barca....could understand playing a lower table team...but not liverpool
Fucks sake already have to deal with half a dozen giddy dipper fans telling me how much better they are than us.... How much better Coutinho is than Silva.... The list is endless worst possible team to lose to. I just feel sorry for Silva and Aguero, them two deserve to win the CL at least once.
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blueinsa said:Ive just walked in as i had to go out with the kids this morning so missed the game.
Really that bad?
Second half yes
What pisses me off the most is that we keep getting second, third, fourth bites of the cherry, a win today and the pressure's back on Chelsea.
Yet we blow it AGAIN.
We deserve nothing from this season, I really cannot think of a game when we've really been that good.
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Liverpool played a fine game but that shouldn't cover up how poor we were. I'm so disappointed in the players and the manager, and I really have no idea what is going on behind the scenes for us to have fallen this far. I don't know what the final stats were but at one point it flashed up that we'd had 40% possession and I could barely believe that a team with such top-class players, even against a possession-based system like Liverpool's, could not only have so little of the ball, but also do so little with it. We barely created anything, we get to the edge of the box and panic, we never play out from the back, we still seem to do no work whatsoever on set pieces in training, half of Hart's fucking kicks go out for throw ins, I just don't understand any of it..
There are some managers who say they watch replays of games dozens of times to figure out what went wrong, Pellers shouldn't even need to look at the tapes, the answers have been staring him in the face all season long and the guy (along with the backroom staff, apparently) still seems to think there's nowt wrong. The title is gone for me, of course it isn't technically gone and we've fought back before but I do think it has gone now. We'll probably win in mid-week and Chelsea will slip up at some point; they're not going to win every game but neither are we. I don't think the "Are we gonna make top 4?!" talk is warranted, Arsenal could give us a run for our money for 2nd but we're more than good enough to finish in the top 3 at the very least. Still.. after going out in both cups so disappointingly and facing a monumental task in the CL, it's virtually nailed-on to be one of the most disappointing seasons in a while.
We used to be a third-tier club, we have no God-given right to win every game, and there's nothing wrong with a big team having a bad season, it happens to the very best out there. That said, we still have a right to be disappointed and angry when it seems like so little is being done, both by the players and the staff, to improve in any way whatsoever or fix the problems that are staring us in the face. We used to be so solid at the back and now look desperate, our midfield used to dominate games and strike fear into any opponent and now they're hoofing it out for goal kicks, and Sergio is one of the finest players in the world but last season's mantra of "We can outscore anyone" is looking pretty grim when we barely create half a dozen half-chances in 90 minutes against any semi-decent team.
Still, I remain weirdly calm. At least until the summer. Maybe a right-off of a season (like last time after we won the league) is what the club needs, a good kick up the arse to instigate a proper bloody transfer window and a shift in philosophy. Players need to be moved on, youngsters need to be given a chance, and we need to start buying the sort of players we're always "linked" with but that somehow end up at Chelsea. We also need to start looking at other big clubs out there and realising that this mental notion of "Well, we've got Silva, Nasri, Touré, and Aguero on the pitch so surely we'll score!" is completely ridiculous and we actually need to sort out our sodding tactics. We need a system and for the life of me I can't work out what MP's is anymore! Chelsea have a defence made of steel and wreak havoc on the counter, Liverpool (as we saw today) press you back and back whenever you have the ball and aren't afraid of a long shot, Barca are Barca, Real are Real, etc. What are we? Knock it out right to Navas and hope one of his crosses gets through? Pass it around the edge of the box waiting for a moment of magic? Do sod all whenever we get a set piece? It has to stop, and if getting rid of Pellers and bringing in someone with more of a solid tactical mindset is the answer then so bloody be it.
There are some managers who say they watch replays of games dozens of times to figure out what went wrong, Pellers shouldn't even need to look at the tapes, the answers have been staring him in the face all season long and the guy (along with the backroom staff, apparently) still seems to think there's nowt wrong. The title is gone for me, of course it isn't technically gone and we've fought back before but I do think it has gone now. We'll probably win in mid-week and Chelsea will slip up at some point; they're not going to win every game but neither are we. I don't think the "Are we gonna make top 4?!" talk is warranted, Arsenal could give us a run for our money for 2nd but we're more than good enough to finish in the top 3 at the very least. Still.. after going out in both cups so disappointingly and facing a monumental task in the CL, it's virtually nailed-on to be one of the most disappointing seasons in a while.
We used to be a third-tier club, we have no God-given right to win every game, and there's nothing wrong with a big team having a bad season, it happens to the very best out there. That said, we still have a right to be disappointed and angry when it seems like so little is being done, both by the players and the staff, to improve in any way whatsoever or fix the problems that are staring us in the face. We used to be so solid at the back and now look desperate, our midfield used to dominate games and strike fear into any opponent and now they're hoofing it out for goal kicks, and Sergio is one of the finest players in the world but last season's mantra of "We can outscore anyone" is looking pretty grim when we barely create half a dozen half-chances in 90 minutes against any semi-decent team.
Still, I remain weirdly calm. At least until the summer. Maybe a right-off of a season (like last time after we won the league) is what the club needs, a good kick up the arse to instigate a proper bloody transfer window and a shift in philosophy. Players need to be moved on, youngsters need to be given a chance, and we need to start buying the sort of players we're always "linked" with but that somehow end up at Chelsea. We also need to start looking at other big clubs out there and realising that this mental notion of "Well, we've got Silva, Nasri, Touré, and Aguero on the pitch so surely we'll score!" is completely ridiculous and we actually need to sort out our sodding tactics. We need a system and for the life of me I can't work out what MP's is anymore! Chelsea have a defence made of steel and wreak havoc on the counter, Liverpool (as we saw today) press you back and back whenever you have the ball and aren't afraid of a long shot, Barca are Barca, Real are Real, etc. What are we? Knock it out right to Navas and hope one of his crosses gets through? Pass it around the edge of the box waiting for a moment of magic? Do sod all whenever we get a set piece? It has to stop, and if getting rid of Pellers and bringing in someone with more of a solid tactical mindset is the answer then so bloody be it.
prestonibbo_mcfc
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Rösler von Stretfordbömber said:Sergi0 Na5r1 said:Can't type too much again because partly lost for words at this shambles. I've defended him before and he has occasionally had good moments.But today even more than the Barca game showed his tactical ineptness.
He got all his tactics wrong from the start, all the other teams have caught on to his early aggressive style but he continues to stick with it. Once again just like the Barca game the ball bounced their half to ours without any of play from our midfield.
In the Roma game we were successful because we started a strong midfield when the other team wanted to attack.
Since then he's not done this very consistently leaving defense wide open to getting attacked down the middle. And then he brings on Nando when we need to score goals? We can't keep blaming all of the players every time, you push out Nasri and Silva wide when we need them to create chances down the middle. What the hell is he thinking!
Some players looked sluggish, but it's up to the manager to give the players a chance to get a good performance in. He needs to go.
Did he bring on Fernando today and I missed this somehow?
I think he should have. For Nasri. Shore up the midfield and push Silva further up with Sergio.
But looking at that effort 2nd half, i'm not really sure what would've worked. We are far too lazy
without the ball, at times and it doesn't seem like it's ever going to change. I can handle losing
when the team put the required effort in, but to watch that second half poorformance just kills me.
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Back to the mansions then eh lads, dont worry, we will take all the shit for you at work.
The Engineer is clealry only a kwikFit mechanic, cant see the wood for the trees. Shame as would have liked him to be with us for a while.
The Engineer is clealry only a kwikFit mechanic, cant see the wood for the trees. Shame as would have liked him to be with us for a while.
Rösler von Stretfordbömber
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bitsmith said:Rösler von Stretfordbömber said:Sergi0 Na5r1 said:Can't type too much again because partly lost for words at this shambles. I've defended him before and he has occasionally had good moments.But today even more than the Barca game showed his tactical ineptness.
He got all his tactics wrong from the start, all the other teams have caught on to his early aggressive style but he continues to stick with it. Once again just like the Barca game the ball bounced their half to ours without any of play from our midfield.
In the Roma game we were successful because we started a strong midfield when the other team wanted to attack.
Since then he's not done this very consistently leaving defense wide open to getting attacked down the middle. And then he brings on Nando when we need to score goals? We can't keep blaming all of the players every time, you push out Nasri and Silva wide when we need them to create chances down the middle. What the hell is he thinking!
Some players looked sluggish, but it's up to the manager to give the players a chance to get a good performance in. He needs to go.
Did he bring on Fernando today and I missed this somehow?
He didn't. He wanted to bring him in at 1:1 but when they scored he introduced Bony.
I understand that - but blaming the guy for what he WANTED to do? I myself would have been more for going for it, but I can see the thought process for trying to get a point out of Klanfailed away at that point in the match.