KippaxCitizen said:
Damocles said:
I don't want Liverpool to go out of existence. I just want them to get relegated to the Conference, have Anfield by sold to a Thai property developer and have to be forced to play using a couple of spare "Champions 2014" shirts as goalposts on Stanley Park.
It's not banter or funnies, I genuinely dislike them as a club, think they've consistently cost English football more than they've brought it and have the most insufferable fans in the entire world. They are a perfect example of delusional groupthink to the point where their fanbase literally used "he didn't call us a big club enough" as one of their excuses to sack Hodgson. Rodgers like all other managers is expected to constantly fellate the egos of them, telling them how massive they are, how special they are and how The Liverpool Way™ and the Spirit of Shankly™ will see them though. Not fellating the ego of Liverpool supporters is literally a sackable offense. Even United haven't disappeared up their own arse and they genuinely DO have a claim as one of the biggest clubs in the world. Liverpool's claim to fame in the world of football is that they used to be really good 30 years ago. No other "massive club" in world football has gone a quarter of a century without winning their domestic league because such a claim would be ridiculous for anybody else who aren't the laughing stock in Liverpool. In 25 years they have won 4 major trophies and proclaim themselves as this massive club akin to a Real Madrid or Barcelona.
That's just a minor irritation though comparatively. The absolute and utter worst thing about them though, the one single thing that I can never get over, is the fact that they act and seem to believe that they are the moral arbiters of football and a measuring stick for others. These people who have murdered other football fans. These people whose hooliganism was so bad that the entire of England were internationally shunned by its peers, heavily restricting our international development for a decade. These people that smash up coaches, have fans charged for racist abuse and have constant reports of violence coming out of their club still to this very day. These people who proudly and triumphantly stood behind a racist. These people who have commercialised the Hillsborough disaster as part of their "brand". These people who demanded a change in legislation to give them more money at the expense of smaller clubs. These people who barracked for the Premier League to be setup and giving all revenue to them instead of spreading it out across English football for the development of all. These people have the gall to suggest that they're above the rest of England when they're one of the reasons for everything bad in English football.
They're Millwall with a better PR department. The only reason at all that anybody supports this absolute scum of a club is that they have built a bullshit ethos around themselves that falls apart under even the slightest bit of scrutiny, a scrutiny that only Liverpool fans are unable to muster. They have wave upon wave of people selling out any and all morality to join in with their enforced and undeserved superiority complex. You see here's the thing, City have done some extremely good things that we should be proud of. We have also done some lowly things that we should be ashamed of. We as City fans, like almost every other set of fans in England accept this about ourselves and try to retain a sense of humour about it all. We're not perfect but we accept and live with our mistakes. Liverpool fans drown their mistakes in a sea of false righteousness.
They are literally murderers, hooligans and thieves who proclaim a superior morality to the rest of us. This, along with their undying need for attention and validation to continue their "we're a massive club" echo chamber, is why everybody from the Mackems to the Hammers think they're a total bunch of wankers and have absolutely no sympathy for them when they eventually slide back to the upper midtable position they will be in again next year.
This isn't the rags saying City should be out of existence because we're rivals in a city. This is the whole world of English football fandom wishing for a club to go away because it's caused more than enough damage to us already.
I agree with all that.
But imagine how Everton fans feel...they were champions when Liverpool got everyone kicked out of Europe. Looking at the money coming into the English game not long after this, were Everton deprived of a chance to become what United eventually became? I think the City of Liverpool derby was termed the "friendly derby" at one point wasn't it? I bet there are a number of Toffees who feel nothing but animosity towards LFC now.
I can't be doing with any of the three big red clubs: United Liverpool and Arsenal. What you say about Liverpool there is bang on.
What I don't get is the way everyone in the media goes mad for them, when fans of all other clubs fucking despise them.
Look at how many fans of other clubs came on here and those we've all spoken to at games too over the last few months...everyone wanted us to win the league.
Permit me to introduce you to Nick Cohen.
(N.B. CBS links are archived, give them a chance to load).
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.cbsnews.com/news/advertisers-abandon-fox-soccer-channel-host-after-he-blames-liverpool-supporters-for-96-deaths-in-stadium-crush/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.cbsnews.com/news/advertisers ... ium-crush/</a>
RAWK was the global clearing house for this. They will tolerate no dissent. I know, I was watching all this as it happened from the beginning.
Their behavior was outrageous, never mind their target, Cohen. Liverpool Football Cult, a.k.a. The Candlepark 39ers.
Here is a synopsis of what in the U.S. is known as "the chilling effect." It will help explain the uncritical approach and fawning of the U.K. media.
<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilling_effect" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilling_effect</a>
They know about Cohen. You might not. The U.K. public might not. They do. They want an easier life than they would enjoy if they irritated the Candlepark 39er cult. The 39er cult (as we have all seen recently) is hypersensitive to any
form of criticism; in fact, to the 39ers anything other than adulation is an existential threat and we all know how people deal with existential threats don't we?
The U.K. meeeeja - panicking on the streets of Leeds, Humberside and Glossop - have decided to take the path least resisting. It
is safe(r), if also dishonest and cowardly. Would
you want to be singled-out by the 39ers for not applauding enough? It must have been quite un-nerving to be present at a meeting of the Supreme Soviet of The Soviet Union and watch to make sure you aren't the first one to stop applauding, trying hard to cheer as long as everyone else and not run out of puff.
Read this, focus on point 6. You see? Did you all know about this? Would you want to antagonize these people? They will find you.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.cbsnews.com/news/memo-to-the-red-sox-on-their-acquisition-of-liverpool-fc/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.cbsnews.com/news/memo-to-the ... erpool-fc/</a>
And again, try this interview with an American 39er cult leader:
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.prostamerika.com/2009/05/13/we-want-him-off-the-air/5678" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.prostamerika.com/2009/05/13/ ... e-air/5678</a>
And they followed him around from Fox Soccer, see the end of his Wikipedia entry regarding his ESPN job,
which he didn't get thanks to cult members:
<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Cohen_(soccer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Cohen_(soccer</a>)
and this, about his ESPN job,
especially the comments section.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bigsoccer.com/community/threads/steven-cohen-to-espn.1824183/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bigsoccer.com/community/thre ... n.1824183/</a>
including this one:
"1. Yes, Really. Liverpool fans only acknowledged it when Juventus came to town for the CL. I understand the date of the Heysel disaster is now usually outside the football calendar but it took 25 years for Liverpool to place a memorial at Anfield. 25 years to remember football fans who murdered by Liverpool fans. Heysel is part of Liverpool and English football's history as much as Hillsborough. You can't pick which tragedies to feel bad about.
2. With Hillsborough clearly the police were at fault and I'm all for the records to be released. The families deserve it. I stand by Liverpool fans in the face of smears (most notably the Sun's) and those spreading falsities about the tragedy. Don't think that was ever the question. I just want to know why we should play up Hillsborough when Heysel was the uglier, more sinister event. Both tragic but Liverpool fans treat Heysel like an after thought. Hillsborough was a gross example of incompetence and corruption but Heysel was murder. Heysel was revenge for Rome but it's swept under the rug."
Why is the U.K. media spending all of it's time with it's collective tongue right down the back of the 39ers arse? A
very famous American comedian and actor, a lapsed Catholic from Boston, one Dennis Leary, asked why it is that anyone feels free and easy to take the piss out of Jesus, Mary, etc. It was a rhetorical question.
Then he turned to himself, his behavior. He continued that it is easy and cowardly because unlike drawing cartoons about infamous men with bombs in their turbans etc., when you take the piss out of anything remotely Christian, well, nothing much happens to you, "but I really don't want my mom going around Copley Square putting what's left of me into a ziplock shortly after I say something about Mohammed."
