Liverpool Thread 2014/15

[FromPollockToSilva]

Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

However bad this season is for Liverpool the owners should stick by and allow him next season personally. Wenger, Fergie etc all had horrid patches as management, bought utter dross etc. And you only have to look at Big Sam for us and Pardew for Newcastle to see stability usually pays off.

They overachieved last season, didn't have European football, had the worlds best striker and a class act in Sturridge - he's made a lot of mistakes but he should be allowed another season imo

I think it all depends on how they finish the season. Decent progress in the cups and an upturn in league form once Sturridge gets fit and I would probably agree, simply because I don't know who they could replace him with that would improve that squad. What they really need to get sorted is their recruitment policy, because quite simply it has been atrocious for a number of years now.

 

[M18CTID]

Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

It's one thing us fans talking about Liverpool's missed chances but quite another to hear Rodgers going on about it and is tantamount to clutching at straws. "We had enough chances to win the game". You lost 3-0 Brendan and that's the only stat that really matters I'm afraid. Reminds me of their 2-0 defeat at Zenit when he claimed it was a "near perfect away performance".

 

[manchester blue]

Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

Have they got United's title as worst ever defending PL Champions now?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

Have they got United's title as worst ever defending PL Champions now?

No mate, according to much of the press we still hold it from the 2012/13 season. You know, the one where we finished second?

 

[Lucky Toma]

Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

It's one thing us fans talking about Liverpool's missed chances but quite another to hear Rodgers going on about it and is tantamount to clutching at straws. "We had enough chances to win the game". You lost 3-0 Brendan and that's the only stat that really matters I'm afraid. Reminds me of their 2-0 defeat at Zenit when he claimed it was a "near perfect away performance".

If he had even a modicum of sense beneath that ego of his he'd realise its comments like this thats alienating the fanbase as much as the results.

Dippers I know - and many I see on Twitter - really want to still believe in him. But his refusal to admit there are problems - and that they are his fault - is driving them mad.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

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Where does Brenton go on the keeper situation? Mignotlet's confidence must be on the floor after being dropped, I bet the playing staff have their own views on it, add to that the Ballotelli and Gerrard situations. This all makes up to a very unhappy dressing room, once you lose the players it's time to clear the office and take up punditry on sky. Brenton with his rent a cliche quotes would be pretty good at that.

 

[superseiyan]

Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

However bad this season is for Liverpool the owners should stick by and allow him next season personally. Wenger, Fergie etc all had horrid patches as management, bought utter dross etc. And you only have to look at Big Sam for us and Pardew for Newcastle to see stability usually pays off.

They overachieved last season, didn't have European football, had the worlds best striker and a class act in Sturridge - he's made a lot of mistakes but he should be allowed another season imo

I agree. He was our manager last season, take the good with the bad is fair play. Problem is that this means a willingness by management and fans to tolerate some discomfort. Not endlessly, but at least enough to see if we can figure our way out of this. Up to December 2015 is realistic--but he has to be backed publicly otherwise these days players start to sense a manager change is imminent and then they shut off.

It can actually be an opportunity approached the right way: 1. We stop buying on statistics. 2. Rodgers is humbled a little 3. Let players develop under Rodgers---we don't have players that other clubs are going to come and pick off. 4. Have another go next season without European football.

FWIW, I think Dalglish was sacked too early.

 

[superseiyan]

Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

Where does Brenton go on the keeper situation? Mignotlet's confidence must be on the floor after being dropped, I bet the playing staff have their own views on it, add to that the Ballotelli and Gerrard situations. This all makes up to a very unhappy dressing room, once you lose the players it's time to clear the office and take up punditry on sky. Brenton with his rent a cliche quotes would be pretty good at that.

Mignolet shouldn't have been dropped in the first place. Mignolet is not good enough, but Jones is a championship goalkeeper. Again as a poster was saying above, it speaks to our recruitement policy that we have an average GK and basically no backup.

 

[blueinsa]

Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

There shouldnt be a day or hour where Brenda isnt forced to watch his own comments on how a team that has spent over £100M should be challanging for the title.

Man for the job my fucking arse, especially when his mantra claims he takes ordinary players and makes them special. Well Brenda, you have plenty of ordinary players and it looks like they are going fucking backwards lol.

In years to come the only fucker on Merseyside glad he was ever there will be his fucking dentist!

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

However bad this season is for Liverpool the owners should stick by and allow him next season personally. Wenger, Fergie etc all had horrid patches as management, bought utter dross etc. And you only have to look at Big Sam for us and Pardew for Newcastle to see stability usually pays off.

They overachieved last season, didn't have European football, had the worlds best striker and a class act in Sturridge - he's made a lot of mistakes but he should be allowed another season imo

I agree. He was our manager last season, take the good with the bad is fair play. Problem is that this means a willingness by management and fans to tolerate some discomfort. Not endlessly, but at least enough to see if we can figure our way out of this. Up to December 2015 is realistic--but he has to be backed publicly otherwise these days players start to sense a manager change is imminent and then they shut off.

It can actually be an opportunity approached the right way: 1. We stop buying on statistics. 2. Rodgers is humbled a little 3. Let players develop under Rodgers---we don't have players that other clubs are going to come and pick off. 4. Have another go next season without European football.

FWIW, I think Dalglish was sacked too early.

I'll ask the question again; what did the club expect when they hired a manager who'd had one decent season in the PL, after two seasons at Swansea (one in the Championship) and no European experience?

Swansea conceded 51 goals under him in 2011/12 whereas Liverpool (under Dalglish) conceded just 40. That went up to 43 under Rodgers, then 50 last season & probably at least the same this season at the current rate (22 from 16 games so far).
Last season's overachievement probably hasn't helped (although it must have been superbly enjoyable for the fans) as it might have been better to get fourth place to give you a platform to build from. Obviously losing Suarez and the injury to Sturridge hasn't helped you but does he look like the man to tighten up the defence, put out a functioning midfield or find a bargain?

Adding value to Swansea is not the same as adding value to Liverpool. Also this nonsense about him "developing" players - who has he "developed"? Everyone looks worse under him, not better, plus he seems to fall out with players and discard them without giving them a chance, while playing under-performing favourites. Lucas is far better in the DM position that Gerrard, Borini might bring something different to the forward line, Coutinho rarely seems to get a chance & Kolo Toure is an experienced & capable defender but gets overlooked in favour of Lovren. Allen is crap at the level you're aspiring to yet seems to be one of his favourites. That will cause problems in the dressing room, much like Mancini did with us doing something similar.