Liverpool Thread 2014/15

[superseiyan]

Bascombe over on the telegraph:

Something may be about to change at the club – it really has to – but according to the club, not the manager, not the recruitment staff and not with the introduction of a director of football. One wonders what exactly the review will entail. The seating arrangements and ticket prices for next year’s club end-of-season awards, perhaps?

 

[shackattack]

We missed it FFS.

All the live coverage of the 2015 Reunion of Liverpool's Istanbul win in 2005 ..

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Here are the players talking about their glory in front of the audience.

so 7,000 of the gobshites fill the echo arena to celebrate istanbul as if a stage play and film isn't enough. i pity the poor waiter when they throw a slab on his head, and wonder if they were fighting each other over tickets to celebrate. you have to worry about the kopite warped logic - "Look lads we've had a terrible few weeks culminating in a drubbing at Stoke. Let's just keep our heads down for a few weeks and give no-one anything to laugh at us about........."
Quote from RAWK....

"It's not like we're closing the door forever on Rodgers. We're just saying, he needs a few years somewhere else first."...........BROADMOOR???

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

There's two prime reasons why away fans sing "where were you when you were shit?" when they come to the Etihad. The first is because they can; because that's what football fans do - pick and prod at a weak spot. The second reason is that many, if not most of those signing it, are too young to remember (or care) that a decade and a half ago we were a byword for footballing loyalty and commitment. Time's moved on. It's no longer relevant to the narrative.

Liverpool may face a similar problem in the future. Istanbul apart, their halcyon period spanned a relatively short period of 15 years, arguably less if you're focusing on European glory. Footage of Souness lifting the grand old trophy might still look relevant, not least because he appears regularly on TV, but there's going to come a time, possibly in half a generation or so, when relevant becomes quaint; and quaint in turn becomes largely irrelevant. It's going to take at least a decade, but football history has taught us (Huddersfield, Preston) that you can't trade off past glories for ever, if you're not still producing - and Liverpool haven't been for a decade.

'History' alone loses its charm after a while.

 

[dennishasdoneit]

lol@little liverpool

the end of a great career car crash video,
lose yer footing(oops!)
lose yer title
;ose(really badly on your own ground) to utd and get sent off,leaving team in big mess
lose(really badly on your own ground) to palace
smashed at stoke
we go again
la
lo@l little liverpool.

will they name the new stand Lose? or Slip?..

 

[dennishasdoneit]

What the prospect of loosing Raheem to is doing is making them focus on where they are as club. This will be the first time we have bought one of their player's who is on the up. The dipper media mates have been inworking overtime to put the greedy angle on this, then he hasn't developed yet angle. However this is actually back firing, because it confirms the new title of Spurs of the North. The grief councillors will be doing a rawking trade!

What did the dippers say when they saint's players joined them. Doubt it was they are leaving for the money or greedy.

and what a great idea it was to buy half of southampton!.....give them 60 million, then watch your feeder team outscore you, concede well less goals and , ..whats that..your feeder team had a goal difference which pissed all over yours?
never mind, at least you finished above them,and got £1M more than them for doing so,..except your feeder team also took the £ 60 million off you.
oops.

have you thought of appointing ed woodward to sort out this years burglarys and thefts, i mean transfer dealings.

 

[hutton who blue]

There's two prime reasons why away fans sing "where were you when you were shit?" when they come to the Etihad. The first is because they can; because that's what football fans do - pick and prod at a weak spot. The second reason is that many, if not most of those signing it, are too young to remember (or care) that a decade and a half ago we were a byword for footballing loyalty and commitment. Time's moved on. It's no longer relevant to the narrative.

Liverpool may face a similar problem in the future. Istanbul apart, their halcyon period spanned a relatively short period of 15 years, arguably less if you're focusing on European glory. Footage of Souness lifting the grand old trophy might still look relevant, not least because he appears regularly on TV, but there's going to come a time, possibly in half a generation or so, when relevant becomes quaint; and quaint in turn becomes largely irrelevant. It's going to take at least a decade, but football history has taught us (Huddersfield, Preston) that you can't trade off past glories for ever, if you're not still producing - and Liverpool haven't been for a decade.

'History' alone loses its charm after a while.

On route to becoming a red dwarf. Shone so brightly in the 70's and 80's it looked like they could never possibly lose their lustre but tide and time has worn and their brilliance has dissipated and slowly and gradually they have eventually meandered towards mediocrity, and are desperately grasping at ever so distant looking triumphs in the past and hailing them as to what their supposed esteem in the game should be. I wonder if Bodger's will have that in his report for the Liverpool after season inquest.

 

[paulchapo]

Their talisman and best player for years is leaving,their brightest talent appears to be doing so and there is no champions league football on offer.Add to that an old fashioned ground in a tired second rate city and a fan base as rabid as a deranged cult or religious sect, that will scream abuse at you the first time you veer from the chosen path and you can see where they are going can't you?

They will only attract B list players from now on unless a mega rich owner comes in quickly. Funny how the FFP rules they and the Italian giants coveted so much are looking at being relaxed now they look like working against them eh?

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I know it's the last day but down 5-0 against Stoke at halftime...

Is Sterling still to blame, I wonder? Hope this gets him on his way to the Etihad.

He probably doesn't want to come on after this abuse from his own fans (jimharri posted this on the last day games thread):

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ha that one in the front, looks like he's trying to breathe him up

I prefer the one screaming abuse while holding his young kid. No doubt he'll grow up to be a stand up citizen.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

There's two prime reasons why away fans sing "where were you when you were shit?" when they come to the Etihad. The first is because they can; because that's what football fans do - pick and prod at a weak spot. The second reason is that many, if not most of those signing it, are too young to remember (or care) that a decade and a half ago we were a byword for footballing loyalty and commitment. Time's moved on. It's no longer relevant to the narrative.

Liverpool may face a similar problem in the future. Istanbul apart, their halcyon period spanned a relatively short period of 15 years, arguably less if you're focusing on European glory. Footage of Souness lifting the grand old trophy might still look relevant, not least because he appears regularly on TV, but there's going to come a time, possibly in half a generation or so, when relevant becomes quaint; and quaint in turn becomes largely irrelevant. It's going to take at least a decade, but football history has taught us (Huddersfield, Preston) that you can't trade off past glories for ever, if you're not still producing - and Liverpool haven't been for a decade.

'History' alone loses its charm after a while.

You fail to factor in the difference between the Preston/Huddersfield of yesteryear and the Liverpool of today, which is the huge amount of fawning global media coverage they get. The former Liverpool players who litter our screens perpetuate the fawning. There are people all over the world who have never been to Liverpool and never seen them play live who class themselves as fanatical fans. Despite the fact they've won little of significance for 10 years their fanatacism doesn't seem to have wavered. Every few years, they offer some hope of glory that is enough to stoke the flame but it's all they have. That "magical night in Istanbul" is their common bond as is the reverence for the 96 Hillsborough victims, which sometimes goes a bit over the top.

There are stirrings of discontent with FSG and you can see that being the next campaign, with the loyal hordes fighting for the soul of their club. That will unite them for a while but the truth is that unless they get an owner like ours (one they swear they don't want) they are going to become increasingly irrelevant.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

There's two prime reasons why away fans sing "where were you when you were shit?" when they come to the Etihad. The first is because they can; because that's what football fans do - pick and prod at a weak spot. The second reason is that many, if not most of those signing it, are too young to remember (or care) that a decade and a half ago we were a byword for footballing loyalty and commitment. Time's moved on. It's no longer relevant to the narrative.

Liverpool may face a similar problem in the future. Istanbul apart, their halcyon period spanned a relatively short period of 15 years, arguably less if you're focusing on European glory. Footage of Souness lifting the grand old trophy might still look relevant, not least because he appears regularly on TV, but there's going to come a time, possibly in half a generation or so, when relevant becomes quaint; and quaint in turn becomes largely irrelevant. It's going to take at least a decade, but football history has taught us (Huddersfield, Preston) that you can't trade off past glories for ever, if you're not still producing - and Liverpool haven't been for a decade.

'History' alone loses its charm after a while.

You fail to factor in the difference between the Preston/Huddersfield of yesteryear and the Liverpool of today, which is the huge amount of fawning global media coverage they get. The former Liverpool players who litter our screens perpetuate the fawning. There are people all over the world who have never been to Liverpool and never seen them play live who class themselves as fanatical fans. Despite the fact they've won little of significance for 10 years their fanatacism doesn't seem to have wavered. Every few years, they offer some hope of glory that is enough to stoke the flame but it's all they have. That "magical night in Istanbul" is their common bond as is the reverence for the 96 Hillsborough victims, which sometimes goes a bit over the top.

There are stirrings of discontent with FSG and you can see that being the next campaign, with the loyal hordes fighting for the soul of their club. That will unite them for a while but the truth is that unless they get an owner like ours (one they swear they don't want) they are going to become increasingly irrelevant.

Although your second paragraph broadly supports what I was advancing, I don't disagree with what you posted in your first, which is why I said it will take at least a decade. I accept that Preston and Huddersfield are both somewhat anomalous - their decline being played out in a bygone, pre-global media world, but my point remains that the club's history will increasingly become a burden on its shoulders and it will start to lose its allure in that way to the more peripheral fans - and just as importantly it will significantly limit the addition of new, younger recruits to the ranks of their support.

If things don't change soon it's going to get increasingly difficult to tackle.