laserblue
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- Media test - they have to say at least 3 Liverpool cliches (e.g. special European nights, giant football club, Kop sucking the ball in) without laughing
Don't forget European Royalty.
- Media test - they have to say at least 3 Liverpool cliches (e.g. special European nights, giant football club, Kop sucking the ball in) without laughing
Don't think that's really true. Coutinho was only there for half the season and they were as good without as with him. Can was in and out of the team as was OC, much as we had Laporte for only half the season they had VD for only half a season.They've also lost Coutinho, Can and OC (for the season) The squad hasn't been upgraded and they managed last season with a piss easy CL group and going out early in the cups. An injury or two and it'll be next year again.
Don't think that's really true. Coutinho was only there for half the season and they were as good without as with him. Can was in and out of the team as was OC, much as we had Laporte for only half the season they had VD for only half a season.
They look much stronger on paper particularly if they get Fekir, how good they are and whether we kick on or have a post title blip is uncertain but to postulate that they will challenge is pretty reasonable.
Both Clyne and Lallana should be fit for the season and they both missed most of last season so if you are counting O-C as a lost player then both of these should be added to the depth.It's about squad depth. They've lost 3 players and currently brought in 4, possibly 5 if they sign Fekir which personally I doubt now.
Nobody knows if the players they bought will adapt, just look at Bakayoko at Chelsea. Played the same side as Fabino and has flopped.
As for the 2nd half of the season with VVD, we extended our lead over them during that period.
Both Clyne and Lallana should be fit for the season and they both missed most of last season so if you are counting O-C as a lost player then both of these should be added to the depth.
I can't say I watch a lot of Monaco but my general impression is that Fabinho was more highly rated than Bakayoko. Bernardo was in the same side and didn't flop.
Agree with all that and it does remain to be seen if the keeper can produce in England but if he does they'll have improved a bit more than us so far.....not 20 odd points better but nonetheless they will be a bit closer.So they've made a net gain of about 3 players, whilst we'll have Mendy back, Mahrez with Foden and maybe Diaz on the fringes.
That's not how it's calculated. A fair calculation is that they've upgraded (and by extenaext improved depth) at CM and DM with Keita and Fabihno. They've pretty much showed up their goalkeeping issue just like we did our fullback and Goalkeeping issue last year.So they've made a net gain of about 3 players, whilst we'll have Mendy back, Mahrez with Foden and maybe Diaz on the fringes.
That's not how it's calculated. A fair calculation is that they've upgraded (and by extenaext improved depth) at CM and DM with Keita and Fabihno. They've pretty much showed up their goalkeeping issue just like we did our fullback and Goalkeeping issue last year.
They still lack a bit of creativity which is why Fekir is a target. But a historically the good energy team that adds the one of the most energetic players to their fold, a top keeper when they had no keeper, and a highly rated DM, to replace an utility player leaving.
These are serious upgrades, let's not pretend they aren't. It's just silly to do so.