Liverpool thread 2019/20

[KloppiteE]

Let's get the facts straight shall we but first let me extend my sympathy to the family.

Firstly he didn't catch Covid after the away leg. He caught it two weeks after attending the home game. The family said he was fit and healthy, went to gym twice a week and sometime picked up his grandaughter from school. You don't think going to a gym twice a week might have been where he contracted the illness? Liverpool as a club were desperate to get the game played, I didn't hear Klopp in his presser demanding for the game to be postponed, I didn't hear the owners of the club demanding from UEFA that the game be postponed. All I heard was how Atletico would crumble under the lights etc. And how ironic that the wife talks about going with whatever the government tells you to do, that must be a first in Merseyside. What will an enquiry tell you? That UEFA didn't want the game cancelled as there was too much money at stake, that the club were happy to proceed, that the late Mr Mawson could have contracted the illness from any number of places?

Thank you for the correction. Appeciated. My bad. A complete oversight in typing too quickly.

That aside, not that I was calling for an enquiry per se, but the very fact that yourself and certain others only want to make this solely about L'pool, totally negating the fact that your own club, thankfully, had a massive escape the following week here, is very telling.

And we'll leave that there as I am not getting into a tawdry back and forth when so many lives/ people's health were at stake.

 

[Eds]

Thank you for the correction. Appeciated. My bad. A complete oversight in typing too quickly.

That aside, not that I was calling for an enquiry per se, but the very fact that yourself and certain others only want to make this solely about L'pool, totally negating the fact that your own club, thankfully, had a massive escape the following week here, is very telling.

And we'll leave that there as I am not getting into a tawdry back and forth when so many lives/ people's health were at stake.

Nothing tawdry about it. Just find it odd that yet again it's Liverpool wanting an enquiry. What do you want an enquiry to do? What's the point as all I could see from the interview was pound signs. They want to blame the government and sue but it will be impossible to determine where and when he contracted the illness. And whilst incubation time of the illness is from 1 - 14 days the average is around 5 days before symptoms show so the chances are that he caught the illness a few days later, in all probability. Interestingly given that the mother was living alone at the time, why was she with her son in the same house sitting inches apart? That's not listening to government advice is it?

 

[TheCentralScrutinizer]

Yes bud. There's links to the last 3 or 4 years in the link to this year I posted for example.

I can justifiably criticise them for a lot of, IMHO, their lax response to really trying to mend bridges with the people of Turin over the years. (There's always been good contact between the two clubs but they could have done a lot more for me.).

But not respectfully marking the anniversary every year isn't one of them.

Absolute bollocks, they brushed it under the carpet for 20 years,not a peep nothing,then they drew them in the CL in 2005...for once got a bit of shit from the media & were shamed into acknowledging it & even then they just couldn't bring themselves to openly accept responsibility, they put that pitiful intelligence insulting plaque outside the ground in memorial telling us it happened when a wall collapsed ffs...

 

[ganganvince]

 

[KloppiteE]

Nothing tawdry about it. Just find it odd that yet again it's Liverpool wanting an enquiry. What do you want an enquiry to do? What's the point as all I could see from the interview was pound signs. They want to blame the government and sue but it will be impossible to determine where and when he contracted the illness. And whilst incubation time of the illness is from 1 - 14 days the average is around 5 days before symptoms show so the chances are that he caught the illness a few days later, in all probability. Interestingly given that the mother was living alone at the time, why was she with her son in the same house sitting inches apart? That's not listening to government advice is it?

Mate, you’ve already thrown in unnecessary slurs about the City following the Government’s advice et al. And now, you’re madly, and without any basis, equating a woman’s grief to want accountability into inferring her wanting to make money out of her loss.

That’s why I wanted to leave it. It was patently trending that way to start with.

There was an interesting independent study I caught the back end of on the BBC yesterday that had looked at three events specifically. Cheltenham. The Manchester Derby on the Sunday before the Atlético game. And the Madrid game at Anfield. And the resulting spike in hospitalisations a few weeks after all three was stark.

As was the big spike in cases/ deaths in Merseyside following the game and the scandalous decision by two Governments to allow 3,000 or so people from a massive CV hot-spot to fly into our little area of the Country in the North West.

I don’t think it’s any stretch, even to us as layman, to conclude it’s no coincidence that the studies showing a sizeable rise in the aftermath of all three are related to those attending the respective events.

As football fans this shouldn’t be being looked at as an ‘a particular club’ thing.

This should be being viewed as a ‘there but for the grace of God’ we didn’t suffer down to the lax approach of those making decisions to protect us. Not least your own club with what was a very real prospect at the time of many more potentially infected Spaniards tipping up a week later in Manchester.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Nothing tawdry about it. Just find it odd that yet again it's Liverpool wanting an enquiry. What do you want an enquiry to do? What's the point as all I could see from the interview was pound signs. They want to blame the government and sue but it will be impossible to determine where and when he contracted the illness. And whilst incubation time of the illness is from 1 - 14 days the average is around 5 days before symptoms show so the chances are that he caught the illness a few days later, in all probability. Interestingly given that the mother was living alone at the time, why was she with her son in the same house sitting inches apart? That's not listening to government advice is it?

To be honest with the number of blunders made during this crisis you could hold dozens of inquiries. It has been a total shambles which has cost a lot of lives. Plenty of experts criticised the decision to hold the Liverpool game and Cheltenham races at the time.
Personally the last people I would believe on any issue is our politicians (of all persuasions). That's why I gave away my ticket for our match at the swamp and had no intention of going to the Arsenal match.
If there is one lesson we should all have learned by now it's that you have to make your own personal decisons and be responsible for them.

 

[Greggery Peccary]

To be honest with the number of blunders made during this crisis you could hold dozens of inquiries. It has been a total shambles which has cost a lot of lives. Plenty of experts criticised the decision to hold the Liverpool game and Cheltenham races at the time.
Personally the last people I would believe on any issue is our politicians (of all persuasions). That's why I gave away my ticket for our match at the swamp and had no intention of going to the Arsenal match.
If there is one lesson we should all have learned by now it's that you have to make your own personal decisons and be resonsible for them.

This is true. I made the decision to go to the Anfield game because of my own stupid fault. Naively I believed that UEFA had made sure all the safety boxes were ticked. That meant then I couldn’t see my kids for six weeks. Whilst I wasn’t as bad as others, the mild symptoms I was displaying meant I had to isolate. I chose the four week option rather than our governments two week advice. Was no big deal, plenty of others in a worse boat than me, but a sobering reminder of what a narrow scrape it was.

 

[Blue Mist]

It was a disgrace that the game went instead, but who ultimately is responsible for that decision is unclear. I guess an enquiry would at least ascertain that?

@Ric I heard the Wolves manager and his chairman saying in a loud and clear voice that they did not want to play their match when the opposition chairman contracted the virus. It fell on deaf ears with Uefa.
I did not hear and I have not seen one comment from FSG or Klopp asking/stating the game should not be played or that it should be behind closed doors. I heard and read plenty of how the crowd were going to be the 12th man, European nights, under the lights, etc etc.
The Mayor could have called it off as could the police and there would have been nothing that Uefa could have done about it. They didn't, presumably because they were never asked to.

 

[The Future is Blue]

I’m pretty sure that both of us, not that I can speak for both obviously, who’ve been on recently have been happy to engage as long as the conversation is civil. And why would the aim be to get you banned, that makes zero sense? It’s nothing quite as sinister, I just enjoy talking about football. If the other party wants a row, I leave it. Plenty of other posters happy to talk about the game.

Yes I get the fact you want to talk football....but why here? We've all heard that Livarpool are the greatest football team ever to have been assembled for no outlay, have the bestest and most fans in the universe and you've not been responsible for anything since God created man so I'm guessing there must thousands of cult forums where you can discuss football.....so I ask again why here when you get such a lukewarm welcome from us ickle city fans with no history who can't fill their ground!.

 

[Greggery Peccary]

Yes I get the fact you want to talk football....but why here? We've all heard that Livarpool are the greatest football team ever to have been assembled for no outlay, have the bestest and most fans in the universe and you've not been responsible for anything since God created man so I'm guessing there must thousands of cult forums where you can discuss football.....so I ask again why here when you get such a lukewarm welcome from us ickle city fans with no history who can't fill their ground!.

Because you have a great team, squad & manager. That should lead to some decent footy debate because we’ve got the same. Like minded people recognise this straightaway and are happy to engage. Others will go down the tribalism route and that’s fine but I don’t have any interest in that. And as I’ve said elsewhere, the stadium not being full or whatever doesn’t reflect on the fans at all. I was shocked when I saw how your prices had risen year by year.