Liverpool thread 2020/21

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Greggery Peccary said:
This is my point - whilst the kids have to get into one of the most expensively assembled squads in the game which is a major burden, why haven’t the club drawn more on them? Before the City Bingo firm muscle in, I couldn’t give two fucks how much money you have or haven’t spent and it’s not my point. But for the young lads looking in on the first team set up, they must wonder what they have to do. They’ll probably go on and have good careers elsewhere but that’s not the issue here. It must be harder given how good Foden is but not everyone will be as good as that at that age.
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I think Liverpool might fare a bit better in the minutes to youth players stakes but lets be honest Liverpool have less excuses not to play them because they have had less strength in depth(they never stop reminding us) than City and Klop takes the cups less seriously than Pep. City often use the youth in the domestic cups and sometimes in the CL too but it's done with more finess IMO.

Harwood Bellis, Doyle, Cole Palmer, Bernabe, Delap, Felix Nmecha are all talented, the results in the u23s competitions show City do have one of the very best academies. They have all been given chances to show Pep something in full competitive first team appearances. They have trained with the first team alot too. I didn't even know we still had Gomes still on the books until he was brought on for Rodri last night but I suppose there's no saying whether that substitution would have come without the knock Rodri took or not. The point being, it does look every bit like City and Pep would love to bring more youth through but it isn't easy at this level. I really hope Doyle makes it in particular because of what that would mean to the City family, but Harwood Bellis, Cole Palmer and Delap look very talented for their age and I'd love them to make it at City as well. It shouldn't be at the expense of the success of the team though ultimately.

As for regular first team appearances:
City have Foden and Garcia(until he started saying he wants to go to Barca) that have come through the youth ranks for regular first team appearances.

Liverpool have who besides TAA? Jones was one that looked forced on Klopp and he seems to be one of the first players hooked when it's not going right. Do you expect Jones to be pushing for a first team place in the years to come once Liverpool's injury crisis has gone?

Maybe I'm forgetting some players but I think Liverpool get off light in comparison to City with the criticism about not enough youth coming through.
 
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Greggery Peccary said:
I largely agree with the second sentence. But how many of them have played against top tier CL opposition where the gaffer’s picked them on merit rather than because of injuries? I know they’re only teenagers who’ve got their whole careers ahead of them but they’re nowhere near the first team set up properly.
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They all train the first team , some have for a couple of seasons , the sixteen , seventeen yr olds get mins to rest the first team, selectively in cup games at least
 
TonyColemansbagofapples said:
Curtis Jones has played 22 premier league games. Out of interest, who will he replace in your starting eleven next season. Hope its not a centre half
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If I were him, I’d be targeting Thiago and Henderson. Of course he may not but he’s got so much ability on and off the ball that the sky’s the limit for the lad. Him and Foden will be English midfield mainstays for many a while.
 
Greggery Peccary said:
Why is this? The first sentence shows how daft the ‘worst defending champions ever’ comment was and as for the second, look at United. Not one of you or I would ever have had them near the top of the league right in it at this stage. If you win the league this season, it doesn’t mean you’re a bad team or you won’t have deserved it. But if United won it, have they then usurped the likes of us two as the new kings? Of course not, because there are a lot of other factors in play. So if LFC finished 4th this year, would it be the end of the world? In fairness, the drop would hurt but it’s against the backdrop of a full season under the cosh of a pandemic and a pretty horrific injury list. It’s not ideal but it doesn’t make us a bad team overnight. That’s what I mean in the second sentence, not that anything you may win will be tarnished for example. Far from it, the best team usually wins the league whatever year.
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Here we go, excuses. We are ALL “under the cosh of a pandemic” and everyone get injuries. I would say that Liverpool have got away with light injuries for past two seasons, so conversely your argument would mean that that is reason you did well in those seasons. Stop whinging about them and get on with it.
 
Liverpool paid a seven figure fee for Gomez from Charlton. It is impossible for all the kids to come through because each age group has probably 15/20 players so a very reasonable figure would be one every two seasons. I reckon that is possible at City but difficult. I have high hopes for Harwood-Bellis and Luke Mbete-Tabu. McAtee and Palmer could . Liverpool have got nothing.You even took on Joe Hardy (22 now) from City to pad out your kids
 
Mancity1980 said:
Here we go, excuses. We are ALL “under the cosh of a pandemic” and everyone get injuries. I would say that Liverpool have got away with light injuries for past two seasons, so conversely your argument would mean that that is reason you did well in those seasons. Stop whinging about them and get on with it.
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I have all those stats to hand. Absolutely incredible. Anyone would think Liverpool's squad were on drugs
 
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