Liverpool Thread - 2021/22

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bluejon said:
Remember a few years ago, think it was 2014 after Steveeee Geeee slipped, on their tour of the US, they definitely held a minute's silence for Hillsborough in at least one of the games (think it was in Boston). This was in July. "Come, buy your Liverpool tickets, get your replica top and tell your friends you got to join in one of the hallowed minute's silences". Thought that was fucking disgraceful. Turning legitimate grief into a marketing tool.
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bluejon said:
I understand that, and for context, I was oddly at Anfield for the 20th anniversary of hillsborough, the one where Burnham gave his speech. My mrs is from Bootle and we were sorting out our wedding venue out over there, realised what day it was, and thought we'd go and pay our respects. She's a toffee but also lost a couple of school mates at Hillsborough.

But suggesting that Manchester school kids should be taught about it is beyond fucking ridiculous. Yes, there was a cover up, but there's been all sorts of bullshit coverups over the years. You want to have a course on gov cover ups? Sound. But them trying to make out like they're the only ones who've ever been shat on, especially after the behaviour of their own fans over the years? They can fuck right off.
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I don't have too much of an issue with Ian Byrne reaching out to City on this. I've read the full letter and he strikes the right tone and is not scathing of the club in any way. Like you say though, if something is going to be implemented regarding education on cover-ups then it needs to go beyond Hillsborough, and it also needs to go beyond Merseyside and Greater Manchester. It needs to be nationwide because there are fans of clubs all over the country who still believe the lies peddled by the police and The Sun (and also the Daily Star but at least they had the good grace to publish a retraction the following day).

I've said already that from my own vantage point at Wembley on Saturday it seemed it was just concourse singing but obviously I can't speak for all other sections of our end and If any City fans did deliberately disrupt the silence then that's out of order and I've no issue with it being called out. What I do take issue with is the amount of negative press our fans have received following Saturday in proportion to United fans on this topic. City fans were impeccable at Anfield in 2014 when it was the 25th anniversary and we've never sung en masse "The Sun was right, you're murderers" like United fans do year in year out. Sure, individual City fans have controversial views about Hillsborough as do fans of most other clubs but as a collective we've a far cleaner slate than United fans on this. Yet United fans almost get a free pass in many quarters. They were even at it last night following the applause for Ronaldo but while there is some criticism this morning, it almost feels like there's an acceptance that they will always do it. I'll even include some Liverpool fans in that. They were quick to gang up and go after a lone female City fan on Twitter for shouting "Always the victims", yet United fans constantly singing a song every time they play Liverpool that isn't in any way ambiguous and is clearly a Hillsborough reference doesn't seem to have garnered the same level of outrage as what that female City fan said and some City fans allegedly chanting "City" during a period of silence.
 
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