Liverpool Thread - 2022/23

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Blue Mist said:
No. Never explained why he had done something no other Home Secretary had ever done. Refused to answer the legal questions it raised and most importantly refused to explain on what legal basis it was done.
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Few years earlier Michael Howard had also given a royal pardon to John Haase, a well known liverpool drugs baron.
 
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M18CTID said:
Putting aside the fact that Evans is being an utter **** over Heysel and that Liverpool fans were primarily responsible for what happened there regardless of what he claims, IMO the fences did play a role in what happened at Hillsborough. In 1981 Tottenham played Wolves in the FA Cup semi-final there and Spurs fans were housed in the Leppings Lane end. There was a crush following Tottenham's opening goal which lead to 38 Spurs fans suffering injuries. There easily could've been fatalities due to the fences but the police - to their credit, unlike 8 years later - helped alleviate the situation by opening the gates at the front to allow Spurs fans to escape, many of whom were then allowed to sit around the perimeter of the pitch for the rest of the match.
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And the fences/pens prove conclusively that hooliganism DID play a part in Hillsborough. Not directly on the day, as it did at Heysel 4 years earlier, but those fences were there because of hooliganism.

Prior to Hillsborough, Heysel, with the 39 deaths, was the most public and glaring example of both the complacency of the football authorities and also just what football hooliganism could lead to.

Football violence certainly wasn't the exclusive province of Liverpool fans and nor was Heysel the start, or an isolated incident, of that. It wasn't the catalyst for fencing fans in. But it certainly reinforced attitudes to football fans. Their refusal to accept any blame as a specific group of fans, or collectively with other clubs' fans, or to understand the chain of events that led from Heysel to Hillsborough demonstrates their total lack of self- awareness.
 
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cheekybids said:
Did he ever face the consequences of Shields pardon?
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I’m not going to go back and re-read up on the whole case but from memory it was always a dodgy conviction that had the hallmarks of the Bulgarian authorities wanting a conviction and weren’t particularly bothered who that was.

Wasn’t the pardon based on an off the record confession from a bloke admitting he did it?
 
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