Liverpool Thread - 2022/23

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i kne albert davy said:
I use to work in his factory, of course Mrs Thatcher put a stop to that sort of thing.
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Don't think you can blame Thatcher for manufacturing decline in western countries like the UK .
It happened in all of them, even here in Oz we used to make shit.
Our labour costs can't compete with China and Asia sweat shops.
Thankfully we don't have 13 year olds working 10 hour days.
 
manclad said:
I used to work in Ordsall back in the 80s, so the Daniel Adamson Road I remember was just near to Weaste bus depot and Mode Wheel Road.
I never knew who he was until about 10 years ago.
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I’ve just read up on him, I’d never have thought I had a tenuous link to him, seems his home at one point was “The Towers” in Didsbury, which later became “The Shirley Institute”, the place my Mother was actually named after ( her Dad worked there for decades).

Anyway, she actually hated the name Institute and changed it as soon as she was 18.
 
Bill Walker said:
Don't think you can blame Thatcher for manufacturing decline in western countries like the UK .
It happened in all of them, even here in Oz we used to make shit.
Our labour costs can't compete with China and Asia sweat shops.
Thankfully we don't have 13 year olds working 10 hour days.
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But some countries have lost a lot more than others.

Manufacturing job decline as a percentage of working age population: 1990 to 1999
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Manufacturing job decline as a percentage of working age population: 2000 to 2009

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From here.

Obviously a lot of the decline continued for a long time after Thatcher and started before her, but the fact is that the UK has been in freefall for most of all of our lives compared to somewhere like Germany, where the number of manufacturing jobs (if not the percentage) has remained fairly stable.

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Bill Walker said:
Don't think you can blame Thatcher for manufacturing decline in western countries like the UK .
It happened in all of them, even here in Oz we used to make shit.
Our labour costs can't compete with China and Asia sweat shops.
Thankfully we don't have 13 year olds working 10 hour days.
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You can squarely blame her for encouraging a london centric service industry...built on sand..leaving the North to rot. No inward investment planning, utilising manufacturing and mining skills we had in new tech. That came later in spite of her! She was a nasty piece of work ...short sided knobhead in my humble opinion
 
Tolmie scores said:
You can squarely blame her for encouraging a london centric service industry...built on sand..leaving the North to rot. No inward investment planning, utilising manufacturing and mining skills we had in new tech. That came later in spite of her! She was a nasty piece of work ...short sided knobhead in my humble opinion
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Typical tory really. I dont understand this slight lean to tge right the country has...football, music used to be followed by those who had that little bit to say about the inbalance..Rugby was tge preserve of the privillaged
Bill Walker said:
Don't think you can blame Thatcher for manufacturing decline in western countries like the UK .
It happened in all of them, even here in Oz we used to make shit.
Our labour costs can't compete with China and Asia sweat shops.
Thankfully we don't have 13 year olds working 10 hour days.
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Can blame 'her' for lack forsight and appetite to help northern industries transition to tech and green. That came later Thatcher didn't give a fuck about maximising our manufacturing and mining skills. Typical Tory, she was happy to prop up a shite service industry bias..centred on voters in SE. Football and music used to be the platform to rebel a bit against this..They had rugby..nowadays..well...its sad
 
Tolmie scores said:
Typical tory really. I dont understand this slight lean to tge right the country has...football, music used to be followed by those who had that little bit to say about the inbalance..Rugby was tge preserve of the privillaged
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Rugby League is a working class game though, was it never big in Manc then? Big teams across the north west and Yorkshire but you only seem to have Salford who don't lead the way in the same way your football clubs do.
 
AFCAndy said:
Rugby League is a working class game though, was it never big in Manc then? Big teams across the north west and Yorkshire but you only seem to have Salford who don't lead the way in the same way your football clubs do.
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Gtr Manchester its huge..Wigan, Salford Leigh Oldham etc
 
AFCAndy said:
Rugby League is a working class game though, was it never big in Manc then? Big teams across the north west and Yorkshire but you only seem to have Salford who don't lead the way in the same way your football clubs do.
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Sports in general have been taken over by the middle classes, happy clappy amphitheatres and a labourer not within sniffing distance ;)
 
Bill Walker said:
Don't think you can blame Thatcher for manufacturing decline in western countries like the UK .
It happened in all of them, even here in Oz we used to make shit.
Our labour costs can't compete with China and Asia sweat shops.
Thankfully we don't have 13 year olds working 10 hour days.
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Thing is we didn't make shit, we built some of the best Petro Chemical columns and heat exchangers in the world with a highly skilled workforce, trouble was it was unionised so she didn't give a flying about it despite it having been the towns biggest employer for over a 110 years. The woman knew the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
 
i kne albert davy said:
Thing is we didn't make shit, we built some of the best Petro Chemical columns and heat exchangers in the world with a highly skilled workforce, trouble was it was unionised so she didn't give a flying about it despite it having been the towns biggest employer for over a 110 years. The woman knew the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
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And we used to mass produce Ford, Toyota, GM Holden and Mitsubishi vehicles. Now since 2008, we make precisely.....none.
All those plants were their towns biggest employer and unionised.
Can we blame Thatcher as well please ?
 
Bill Walker said:
And we used to mass produce Ford, Toyota, GM Holden and Mitsubishi vehicles. Now since 2008, we make precisely.....none.
All those plants were their towns biggest employer and unionised.
Can we blame Thatcher as well please ?
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Probably your convicts nicking the parts:-), to be fair bunging parts together for foreign car manufacturers is always risky, building non massed produced stuff requires a bit more so shouldn't be if you want to protect the skills within your own nation.
 
i kne albert davy said:
Probably your convicts nicking the parts:-), to be fair bunging parts together for foreign car manufacturers is always risky, building non massed produced stuff requires a bit more so shouldn't be if you want to protect the skills within your own nation.
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The company I worked for manufactured large close control specialised air conditioners for clean rooms, labs, hospitals, telephone exchanges and data centre's, in fact anywhere where the temp and humidity had to stay within very close tolerances. (Takes a lot of expertise in hot humid tropical countries).
Highly skilled workforce in Sydney. Machines were exported all over Asia. (I was the export sales manager).
Now all manufacturing gone to China.

It's the same everywhere mate, you can't just look at a derelict factory in Hyde and say "Thatcher closed that down"
The world economy closed it down....China and Asia have become the factories of the world. It's just the way things are. Thatcher didn't end the textile industry in the north of England, it was ended before her time, and the rest just followed.
And no I'm not a Thatcherite so please stop having me defend the cow. :)
 
Bill Walker said:
The company I worked for manufactured large close control specialised air conditioners for clean rooms, labs, hospitals, telephone exchanges and data centre's, in fact anywhere where the temp and humidity had to stay within very close tolerances. (Takes a lot of expertise in hot humid tropical countries).
Highly skilled workforce in Sydney. Machines were exported all over Asia. (I was the export sales manager).
Now all manufacturing gone to China.

It's the same everywhere mate, you can't just look at a derelict factory in Hyde and say "Thatcher closed that down"
The world economy closed it down....China and Asia have become the factories of the world. It's just the way things are. Thatcher didn't end the textile industry in the north of England, it was ended before her time, and the rest just followed.
And no I'm not a Thatcherite so please stop having me defend the cow. :)
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Why do these threads get overpowered with political stuff? Why not just stick to football?
 
Bill Walker said:
The company I worked for manufactured large close control specialised air conditioners for clean rooms, labs, hospitals, telephone exchanges and data centre's, in fact anywhere where the temp and humidity had to stay within very close tolerances. (Takes a lot of expertise in hot humid tropical countries).
Highly skilled workforce in Sydney. Machines were exported all over Asia. (I was the export sales manager).
Now all manufacturing gone to China.

It's the same everywhere mate, you can't just look at a derelict factory in Hyde and say "Thatcher closed tha down"
The world economy closed it down....China and Asia have become the factories of the world. It's just the way things are. Thatcher didn't end the textile industry in the north of England, it was ended before her time, and the rest just followed.
And no I'm not a Thatcherite so please stop having me defend the cow. :)
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Our industry was winding down for sure but she sped it up no end with some very short sighted policies, the skills that were lost are gone probably forever over here now.The factories not derelict is gone along with the 40 acre farm it owned at the side of it, replaced by a huge up market housing estate so you'll know by that it definitely wasn't in Hyde. Old Dan wasn't that daft.
 
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