Liverpool Thread - 2022/23

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Alan Harper's Tash said:
That’s a maximum of 9 points less (apart from your unsubstantiated “numerous” accidental handballs).

We need to double the amount of points lost before you could argue that VAR won them the league that year.

It’s beautiful that they couldn’t be there to celebrate it.
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Fact is that while I think they got some favourable decisions that season, we fell behind Liverpool very quickly in the title race and were never catching them up. There was the 2-2 draw at home to Spurs in August, and while that was a game we should've won given the amount of chances we had and the injury time winner that was disallowed sticks in the craw, there was no excuse for the defeats at Norwich in September and at home to Wolves in early October. We deserved to lose both those games and there wasn't a hint of controversy in either of them. That's 8 points dropped even before we get to the defeats against Liverpool and United, and the draw at Newcastle. All of which happened before Christmas and if I'm not mistaken Liverpool only dropped 2 points before that defeat at Watford in late February.
 
M18CTID said:
Fact is that while I think they got some favourable decisions that season, we fell behind Liverpool very quickly in the title race and were never catching them up. There was the 2-2 draw at home to Spurs in August, and while that was a game we should've won given the amount of chances we had and the injury time winner that was disallowed sticks in the craw, there was no excuse for the defeats at Norwich in September and at home to Wolves in early October. We deserved to lose both those games and there wasn't a hint of controversy in either of them. That's 8 points dropped even before we get to the defeats against Liverpool and United, and the draw at Newcastle. All of which happened before Christmas and if I'm not mistaken Liverpool only dropped 2 points before that defeat at Watford in late February.
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ํYes, that's right. I remember all the articles about how bad it was for football that Liverpool were so far ahead and ...... wait a minute ..... no I don't.
 
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
VAR didn't win them the league, but it and favorable refereeing most definitely aided them in their quest IMO.

My list was from my memories (without doing any extra research) of another team's matches in which dubious decisions went in their favour from almost 3 years ago!! Do you expect me to reel off every incident? Would you like the minutes they happened in and who was the ref as well?

The fact that I can, off the top of my head, remember 5 or 6 incidents that caused me to question the even-handedness of the officiating (can't remember which games but I also remember a VVD handball and a Henderson handball in the buildup to goals) speaks volumes, to me at least.

I suppose Pep's first year in charge didn't cause you to raise an enquiring eyebrow with regards to refereeing double standards either?
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Good post. I also remember a number of more then questionable VAR decisions went against us early in that season also. Conspiracy theories aside. It certainly looked like Liverpool were going to win that title whatever happened.
 
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
VAR didn't win them the league, but it and favorable refereeing most definitely aided them in their quest IMO.

My list was from my memories (without doing any extra research) of another team's matches in which dubious decisions went in their favour from almost 3 years ago!! Do you expect me to reel off every incident? Would you like the minutes they happened in and who was the ref as well?

The fact that I can, off the top of my head, remember 5 or 6 incidents that caused me to question the even-handedness of the officiating (can't remember which games but I also remember a VVD handball and a Henderson handball in the buildup to goals) speaks volumes, to me at least.

I suppose Pep's first year in charge didn't cause you to raise an enquiring eyebrow with regards to refereeing double standards either?
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VAR gave them momentum & stopped us building momentum. After that they were on their own but the first 6 weeks were crucial.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Beautiful wasn’t it?
You can just imagine them at five thirty, Villa 0-2 up and they ‘just need a goal‘. Come five thirty six and it’s all gone to shit.……..Marvellous.
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The QPR game was something else, BUT the Villa game was all set up for Manchester city to lose and Liverpool to score the late winner in a twist of fate 10 years after the AGUEROOO goal

but it's only Manchester city that can do fairytales endings over the Evil clubs
 
The paper talk about Haaland's wages has finished them off.
A) its paper talk, could be bullshit
B) they smashed their wage structure to make Salah their highest paid player ever and among the highest paid in the league a few months ago and he's been unable to hit a barn door since
 
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
VAR didn't win them the league, but it and favorable refereeing most definitely aided them in their quest IMO.

My list was from my memories (without doing any extra research) of another team's matches in which dubious decisions went in their favour from almost 3 years ago!! Do you expect me to reel off every incident? Would you like the minutes they happened in and who was the ref as well?

The fact that I can, off the top of my head, remember 5 or 6 incidents that caused me to question the even-handedness of the officiating (can't remember which games but I also remember a VVD handball and a Henderson handball in the buildup to goals) speaks volumes, to me at least.

I suppose Pep's first year in charge didn't cause you to raise an enquiring eyebrow with regards to refereeing double standards either?
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You’re free to think what you like. It doesn’t make it correct.

Your list of memories is long because people tend to focus on decisions that go against them rather than the ones that go for their team.

Just because a ball hits an arm doesn’t necessarily make it a penalty. Remember Rodri? ;-)

Pep’s first year in charge didn’t cause me to raise an enquiring eyebrow with regards to refereeing double standards, you are correct.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
You’re free to think what you like. It doesn’t make it correct.
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And the same obviously applies to your thoughts and ideas also.

Alan Harper's Tash said:
Just because a ball hits an arm doesn’t necessarily make it a penalty. Remember Rodri? ;-)
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I think you've forgotten about how the handball law in relation to goal scoring has mutated over the last 3 years, maybe it's an age thing ;)
 
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
And the same obviously applies to your thoughts and ideas also.


I think you've forgotten about how the handball law in relation to goal scoring has mutated over the last 3 years, maybe it's an age thing ;)
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Absolutely. It’s easier to cry foul when the league is won by one point than it is when it’s won by 25 points though.

The handball rule has changed over the past few years. It still doesn’t make it a certain penalty, whichever year’s rules you wish to choose. That could be an age thing or a deliberately disingenuous thing. I can’t tell which.

;-)
 
JULES said:
this is a good one........

If that clause is true (even if its not club-specific), then it shows Halaand was already thinking of life beyond City. Lets face it - City are hardly a destination club, and one of the European giants will always be more tempting for players who can pretty much choose where they want to go next.

Hopefully the freak Viking man-baby leaves in 2024, as I'm sick of hearing about him already (although I'm sure people said the same about Torres, Suarez and Mo in their first season with us). Despite Halaand's clear talent, I don't think he'll be the difference maker for them in Europe (as they hope he'll be), as it's a completely different competition to the league. They don't have a problem scoring goals in Europe - they have a problem with tactics and mentality under pressure, and Pep has already shown he doesn't yet know how to navigate the competition properly with City (or set his teams up). The only time they've reached the final is when they had an easy route - a group containing Marseille, Olympiakos and Porto, and then Borussia Monchengladbach, Dortmund, and PSG (also serial bottlers) in the knockout stages. Then they bottled the final against Chelsea.

In the other years under Guardiola they've been comprehensively outplayed and knocked out by us 5-1 on aggregate, and knocked out by teams like Lyon, Spurs and Monaco (who you possibly wouldn't expect to even get past the group stages). They might well be flat track bullies in the premier league (against anyone but us), and regularly do well in domestic cups against piss easy opposition (except for last year...), but Europe is totally different (and they only beat us in the league cup final in 2016 because Jurgen hadn't yet built his team). They are serial bottlers and mentality midgets in the CL and I don't see that changing - even with Haaland.

Next summer will be 15 years since Guardiola took over at Barcelona, and he's won only 2 CL trophies in that time - the last one as far back as 2011. It took Bob Paisley 4 seasons to match that achievement (and only another 3 seasons to better it).

They've collectively shit themselves in Europe on so many occasions, and when up against any opposition that are better than the teams they play every week, they suddenly don't look as good. Even average European teams from the top 5 leagues have shown up City's vulnerabilities, by simply being far more brave over a two leg knockout tie than the majority of PL teams (that usually roll over for them). They'll still get 5-0's against the FC Copenhagens of this world, but then so can all the other top clubs. Let's see how Halaand does in Europe against a Bayern, Real Madrid, or Milan defence (or against us) before worrying about them finally winning a European trophy. The WC fatigue factor will also play a big part on City once the business end of the CL arrives, and hopefully we've turned our form around by then and are also breathing down their necks in the league.
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That's incredible. Mentality midgets. Wonderful stuff. The same midgets that have won the league 4 times in the last 5 seasons whilst their team of monsters has done what exactly? How did Klopp's mentality monsters get on in their CL finals against Real? Or in the Europa League final? Or when they played in the league cup final against us? Old Norbert Klopp has as many runner up medals as winners medals from his time with Liverpool.

I can't wait to see what happens if we do win the CL. I'm sure they'll mention our money at some stage though! The fact that post has to refer to Paisley rather than their hero Jurgen tells you all you need to know about what team has the better manager and most success now! They know it and they're rattled.
 
Reading alot in the media about Liverpool and what is it that's causing a poor start to the season...

Personally I think they've been at the top of their game the past 4/5 seasons and yet only coming out with one Premier League Title. That surely has to be demoralising for opposition knowing they are at their very best and only getting one league title from it and especially in the manner they've fallen short on a couple of occasions with City winning it on the final day. I think that on top of playing basically the same team week in week out the players have been ran into the ground and it has eventually taken its toll on the them.

I hope the downfall continues and Arsenal give them a spanking on Sunday. Bin dipping cunts.
 
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