Looking back, how do you feel about Hughes now?

[rastus]

When he took over under Franki I was pleased, we wouldnt go down and might get a eurovision place.

Then the big bang, richest club in the world, signing Robinho as a statement of intent by our owners.

From that point on he had a chance and all the support financially from our owners to prove himself. As it turned out too much too soon for the taffia, its like bieng a manager of Spar then finding your managing a tesco hyper store.

I apprecite what he tried to do for us but glad he has gone, at least we as City supporters arnt at each others throats.

 

[GStar]

In case you haven't noticed, we generally don't!

Course we do

So what do we take from that Mancini>>>Hughes? Great, i think everyone will be thinking that so far, without anyone holding thier hand and telling them such.

No. We're now beginning to see that Hughes' excuses (and there were an awful lot of them) are actually turning out to be a load of shite. The expectation level he conned evryone into believeing just a few weeks ago is also turning out to be a laod of shite, and so on and so on

At the same time, it could all go tits up for Mancini from here on in and some of the things Hughes said and did might prove to be correct. All worth discussing as it was a tough and disputed decision to sack hughes by people still controlling the direction of the club and evry day we learn a bit more as to whether it was the right or wrong one.

It was said half tongue in cheek mate, on the other hand plenty of this thread is people saying... "told you, never wanted him from the start".

 

[mackenzie]

Thought he did OK, considering the whole agenda changed on 1/9/08. Some might say that would be a blessing for any manager, but you always had the feeling that wasn't what Hughes had "bought" into.

Plus he was never "their" man and he must have known that, and I think that sometimes inhibited what he felt he could do re team selection etc.

I think he will do a good job at any prem club that is mid table or below. And bringing Bellamy to City will always be part of his legacy. That isn't enough I know, but without Bellamy on board this last 12 months or so the football would certainly have been less enjoyable.
That a player of the complicated nature of Bellamy admires and respects Hughes is enough for me to say that he has many attributes.

In summary.....wrong club, wrong time.

 

[Sun Jihai's ghost]

Massively flawed personality (not a crime in itself, aren't we all?) that massively hinders his ability to be a good manager - that would be my impression based upon the bulk of evidence of his managerial career, especially here.

Always been full of excuses and an expert at deflecting blame onto someone else, not just here but elsewhere also.

Worst of all though, I find him, in his professional capacity as a football manager, to be snide. And that is something I find very hard to forgive in a City manager. That's not to say that he is like that as a person in his private life but that is a different matter. He might be a great bloke to know and a really decent fella. I'm not really bothered about that though. My concern is his managerial ability and I don't like someone who is snide to refs, lsnide to others associated with the club, less than honest in his appraisals and whose first and foremost priority is always to spin everything he addresses towards attempting to direct undeserved praise his way. Worst of all, someone who is snide towards his own players, their ability, honesty and professionalism is something I cannot forgive.

Again, that is not to forgive players who may have acted in the same way but there is a pattern with Hughes and even if there isn't I expect a lot higher standards and a much more considered and balanced approach regarding personnel dealings from a manager than from a player.

Apart from all that, don't rate what he achieved on the pitch here at all. Bought good players with an extraordinary amount of money. That is nothing to lavish significant praise upon. More tellingly, constantly produced under par results throughout the whole of his time here.

Always had an excuse - and that excuse, whether explicitly or, more often implicitly, layed the blame for it at the feet of someone else.

I have to say, from being completely neutral regarding him when appointed, I grew to resent his managerial (and I repeat, his managerial, not his private - that would be ridiculous) personality and the traits associated with it. Not based on a lack of ability, which there was imo, but on the way he conducted himself in relation to the above. And I've rarely felt like that about a manager - more often than not I have sympathy for buffoons who happen to be out of their depth.

I appreciate that many people thought he behaved in a very dignified manner here. So maybe I have it all wrong.

And there are many other managers who are flawed and exhibit some of the traits I consider very low and have mentioned above. I don't really care about them though, they are nothing to do with City. And I don't really accept the argument of "Fergie is a senile, disgusting, cheating, vile managerial personality so everyone else must be ok in comparison" excuse/argument.

Top post, couldnt agree more. Under Hughes an unprecedented level of leaks came from the club about so called troublemaker players. These nearly always coincided with a poor run of form which worked in deflecting the blame from Hughes.Last year when we were in the bottom 3 the press were on a witchhunt against Elano, this year after a string of draws its Ade and Robinho that are underming Hughes. What I find unforgivable is the way he marginalised good players and had a complete inability to work with any players that weren not his own. The treatment of players like Petrov, Garrido and Dunne was a disgrace. Hughes persuit of Terry and relentless chase of Lescott was embarrasing. I have zero sympathy for the man.

 

[salfordblue-tony2]

hughes built an incredible squad. he could buy the players but he couldn't lead them.

You didn't expect him to buy bad players for £240 million, did you?

According to half the people on here he did. Lescott, Bridge, Toure, Robinho, RSC, Adebayor, Ben Haim, Zabba have all been slagged off
on here loads of times.

 

[Anonymous]

Massively flawed personality (not a crime in itself, aren't we all?) that massively hinders his ability to be a good manager - that would be my impression based upon the bulk of evidence of his managerial career, especially here.

Always been full of excuses and an expert at deflecting blame onto someone else, not just here but elsewhere also.

Worst of all though, I find him, in his professional capacity as a football manager, to be snide. And that is something I find very hard to forgive in a City manager. That's not to say that he is like that as a person in his private life but that is a different matter. He might be a great bloke to know and a really decent fella. I'm not really bothered about that though. My concern is his managerial ability and I don't like someone who is snide to refs, lsnide to others associated with the club, less than honest in his appraisals and whose first and foremost priority is always to spin everything he addresses towards attempting to direct undeserved praise his way. Worst of all, someone who is snide towards his own players, their ability, honesty and professionalism is something I cannot forgive.

Again, that is not to forgive players who may have acted in the same way but there is a pattern with Hughes and even if there isn't I expect a lot higher standards and a much more considered and balanced approach regarding personnel dealings from a manager than from a player.

Apart from all that, don't rate what he achieved on the pitch here at all. Bought good players with an extraordinary amount of money. That is nothing to lavish significant praise upon. More tellingly, constantly produced under par results throughout the whole of his time here.

Always had an excuse - and that excuse, whether explicitly or, more often implicitly, layed the blame for it at the feet of someone else.

I have to say, from being completely neutral regarding him when appointed, I grew to resent his managerial (and I repeat, his managerial, not his private - that would be ridiculous) personality and the traits associated with it. Not based on a lack of ability, which there was imo, but on the way he conducted himself in relation to the above. And I've rarely felt like that about a manager - more often than not I have sympathy for buffoons who happen to be out of their depth.

I appreciate that many people thought he behaved in a very dignified manner here. So maybe I have it all wrong.

And there are many other managers who are flawed and exhibit some of the traits I consider very low and have mentioned above. I don't really care about them though, they are nothing to do with City. And I don't really accept the argument of "Fergie is a senile, disgusting, cheating, vile managerial personality so everyone else must be ok in comparison" excuse/argument.

Strong stuff JMA.
But well put as always.

 

[city51]

FFS get over it hes gone end of

 

[JohnMaddocksAxe]

Massively flawed personality (not a crime in itself, aren't we all?) that massively hinders his ability to be a good manager - that would be my impression based upon the bulk of evidence of his managerial career, especially here.

Always been full of excuses and an expert at deflecting blame onto someone else, not just here but elsewhere also.

Worst of all though, I find him, in his professional capacity as a football manager, to be snide. And that is something I find very hard to forgive in a City manager. That's not to say that he is like that as a person in his private life but that is a different matter. He might be a great bloke to know and a really decent fella. I'm not really bothered about that though. My concern is his managerial ability and I don't like someone who is snide to refs, lsnide to others associated with the club, less than honest in his appraisals and whose first and foremost priority is always to spin everything he addresses towards attempting to direct undeserved praise his way. Worst of all, someone who is snide towards his own players, their ability, honesty and professionalism is something I cannot forgive.

Again, that is not to forgive players who may have acted in the same way but there is a pattern with Hughes and even if there isn't I expect a lot higher standards and a much more considered and balanced approach regarding personnel dealings from a manager than from a player.

Apart from all that, don't rate what he achieved on the pitch here at all. Bought good players with an extraordinary amount of money. That is nothing to lavish significant praise upon. More tellingly, constantly produced under par results throughout the whole of his time here.

Always had an excuse - and that excuse, whether explicitly or, more often implicitly, layed the blame for it at the feet of someone else.

I have to say, from being completely neutral regarding him when appointed, I grew to resent his managerial (and I repeat, his managerial, not his private - that would be ridiculous) personality and the traits associated with it. Not based on a lack of ability, which there was imo, but on the way he conducted himself in relation to the above. And I've rarely felt like that about a manager - more often than not I have sympathy for buffoons who happen to be out of their depth.

I appreciate that many people thought he behaved in a very dignified manner here. So maybe I have it all wrong.

And there are many other managers who are flawed and exhibit some of the traits I consider very low and have mentioned above. I don't really care about them though, they are nothing to do with City. And I don't really accept the argument of "Fergie is a senile, disgusting, cheating, vile managerial personality so everyone else must be ok in comparison" excuse/argument.

Strong stuff JMA.
But well put as always.

It is a bit strong. I hope I've stressed enough that I have no issue with Mark Hughes, the individual. It is Mark Hughes, the Manchester City manager that I really could not stomach eventually. If I met the bloke tomorrow I'd have no issue with him whatsoever - you can't necessarily judge an individual's moral fibre that well from their public persona. However, if I were to be meeting him in relation to offering him the job of manager of a top club I'd need a lot of convincing that he had learnt a lot of lessons regarding his time here. It would be some turn around though as everything I have seen seems to suggest his whole managerial personality is constructed around the things/flaws/issues I don't like.

Perhaps I have got it completely wrong. I'm not ITK.

 

[leewill31]

Massively flawed personality (not a crime in itself, aren't we all?) that massively hinders his ability to be a good manager - that would be my impression based upon the bulk of evidence of his managerial career, especially here.

Always been full of excuses and an expert at deflecting blame onto someone else, not just here but elsewhere also.

Worst of all though, I find him, in his professional capacity as a football manager, to be snide. And that is something I find very hard to forgive in a City manager. That's not to say that he is like that as a person in his private life but that is a different matter. He might be a great bloke to know and a really decent fella. I'm not really bothered about that though. My concern is his managerial ability and I don't like someone who is snide to refs, lsnide to others associated with the club, less than honest in his appraisals and whose first and foremost priority is always to spin everything he addresses towards attempting to direct undeserved praise his way. Worst of all, someone who is snide towards his own players, their ability, honesty and professionalism is something I cannot forgive.

Again, that is not to forgive players who may have acted in the same way but there is a pattern with Hughes and even if there isn't I expect a lot higher standards and a much more considered and balanced approach regarding personnel dealings from a manager than from a player.

Apart from all that, don't rate what he achieved on the pitch here at all. Bought good players with an extraordinary amount of money. That is nothing to lavish significant praise upon. More tellingly, constantly produced under par results throughout the whole of his time here.

Always had an excuse - and that excuse, whether explicitly or, more often implicitly, layed the blame for it at the feet of someone else.

I have to say, from being completely neutral regarding him when appointed, I grew to resent his managerial (and I repeat, his managerial, not his private - that would be ridiculous) personality and the traits associated with it. Not based on a lack of ability, which there was imo, but on the way he conducted himself in relation to the above. And I've rarely felt like that about a manager - more often than not I have sympathy for buffoons who happen to be out of their depth.

I appreciate that many people thought he behaved in a very dignified manner here. So maybe I have it all wrong.

And there are many other managers who are flawed and exhibit some of the traits I consider very low and have mentioned above. I don't really care about them though, they are nothing to do with City. And I don't really accept the argument of "Fergie is a senile, disgusting, cheating, vile managerial personality so everyone else must be ok in comparison" excuse/argument.

Top post, couldnt agree more. Under Hughes an unprecedented level of leaks came from the club about so called troublemaker players. These nearly always coincided with a poor run of form which worked in deflecting the blame from Hughes.Last year when we were in the bottom 3 the press were on a witchhunt against Elano, this year after a string of draws its Ade and Robinho that are underming Hughes. What I find unforgivable is the way he marginalised good players and had a complete inability to work with any players that weren not his own. The treatment of players like Petrov, Garrido and Dunne was a disgrace. Hughes persuit of Terry and relentless chase of Lescott was embarrasing. I have zero sympathy for the man.

don't be fooled by the fact that these players are getting a game because mancini thinks they are exceptional players far from it,we have major injury problems and if all fit some of these players would still be warming the bench of that i have no doubt.

all so to say that it was embarrassing of hughes to chase two of the most consistent central defenders in the league and the fact that he got the nod from these players they would seriously consider or want to come to the club sorry but far from embarrassing.

 

[Mike D]

Lets not forget Hughes was Frank's man he brought him as an astute man used to dealing with clubs with a small budget finding little gems around europe and building his team around a hard working ethic making them hard to beat. I think under Frank or a similar regeme Hughes would have achieved similar to what he did Blackburn but with almost gauranteed europa league football every year.

In all honesty the money destroyed Hughes plans on how he did things the plays the ego's the publicity quickly found hims out of depth at the same time. I had started to feel sorry for Hughes part way through the campaign, but with the greatest respect he didn't tell the owners not to terminate his contract at the end of last season when he should have gone.

However the pity I once had quickly evaporated once he started throwing his weight around this season sacking key figures in clubs set bringing in his in old chums thinking that by barrackading himself in they couldn't shift him becuase of the upset it would cause. As going the poll tax finished Thatcher off and going to war with Iraq so off Blair, it had to be destroying the youth set up in particular the crown jewals in Jim Cassel that finally did it for me.

Despite his failures I can't see Hughes being out of work for so long when some small time club wanting a new manager come knocking, but you can safely say he's never going to be rubbing shoulders with the elite as a manager again.