Losing My Job

[manchester blue]

Hi everybody.

I was informed on Friday last week that my department at work is to undergo a 2 week "consultation period" with a view to restructuring and myself probably losing my position as manager. They have asked me if I would be willing to drop back down to the lowest level (I will lose over £6000 p.a.) and I have told them that there is no way I will consider this. In light of this, they have offered me 3 months redundancy money if I am unsuccessful in my second meeting to convince them of the merits of myself remaining as manager.

Any advice please as I was going to demote one of my supervisors when I first started the role and was told that I couldn't as he would probably leave and claim constructive dismissal. I am able to do the same?

It depends on how you demote someone. If it's a fait accompli and he didn't agree to it he could possibly claim it (he may not win though if everything was done correctly) but in your case it sounds like they're offering it you as an option so I doubt you could if you accepted then tried. As pointed out if the role is being removed it's difficult for you as it's standard redundancy practice.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

Hi everybody.

I was informed on Friday last week that my department at work is to undergo a 2 week "consultation period" with a view to restructuring and myself probably losing my position as manager. They have asked me if I would be willing to drop back down to the lowest level (I will lose over £6000 p.a.) and I have told them that there is no way I will consider this. In light of this, they have offered me 3 months redundancy money if I am unsuccessful in my second meeting to convince them of the merits of myself remaining as manager.

Any advice please as I was going to demote one of my supervisors when I first started the role and was told that I couldn't as he would probably leave and claim constructive dismissal. I am able to do the same?

Sorry to hear that. What industry you in?

Personally I would take the money and get another job. You'll get dragged back/asked to do manager-level work for the same cash, because that's what you've always done, OR you'll end up saying "that's not my job, I'm not a manager any more" every day and be labelled a jobs worth, tagged for the next round of cuts. No-win situation. But then again I've always found it easy to get work, and others find it hard.

 

[bluesking]

It depends on how you demote someone. If it's a fait accompli and he didn't agree to it he could possibly claim it (he may not win though if everything was done correctly) but in your case it sounds like they're offering it you as an option so I doubt you could if you accepted then tried. As pointed out if the role is being removed it's difficult for you as it's standard redundancy practice.

Thanks for the advice everybody. It is pretty much what I thought re: manchester blue's advice but I will contact Citizen's Advice to make sure. Thanks all once again.

 

[bluesking]

Sorry to hear that. What industry you in?

Personally I would take the money and get another job. You'll get dragged back/asked to do manager-level work for the same cash, because that's what you've always done, OR you'll end up saying "that's not my job, I'm not a manager any more" every day and be labelled a jobs worth, tagged for the next round of cuts. No-win situation. But then again I've always found it easy to get work, and others find it hard.

That was exactly my thoughts mate and they can go fuck themselves. Have already started applying for jobs since the weekend and they will find out how much they will miss me almost immediately as I have improved things quite markedly and am in the process of setting up new procedures and contracts so I will now just do the barest minimum (which goes against the grain) until they get rid of me.

Again, thank you for the advice and kind words mate.

 

[dronefromsector7G]

That was exactly my thoughts mate and they can go fuck themselves. Have already started applying for jobs since the weekend and they will find out how much they will miss me almost immediately as I have improved things quite markedly and am in the process of setting up new procedures and contracts so I will now just do the barest minimum (which goes against the grain) until they get rid of me.

Again, thank you for the advice and kind words mate.

Well done Ole :-)

 

[city2]

They want you out end of, and don’t ever think these companies regret letting staff go, they just use people till they no longer require you, ive always said your better off not climbing the ladder cos your getting nearer the door .

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

That was exactly my thoughts mate and they can go fuck themselves. Have already started applying for jobs since the weekend and they will find out how much they will miss me almost immediately as I have improved things quite markedly and am in the process of setting up new procedures and contracts so I will now just do the barest minimum (which goes against the grain) until they get rid of me.

Again, thank you for the advice and kind words mate.

Make sure you don't do anything that justifies them sacking you with no pay off, e.g. don't slag them off in any interviews. There's some crafty employers out there.

Good luck.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

They want you out end of, and don’t ever think these companies regret letting staff go, they just use people till they no longer require you, ive always said your better off not climbing the ladder cos your getting nearer the door .

Unless you're a window cleaner or Fred Dibnah.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

That was exactly my thoughts mate and they can go fuck themselves. Have already started applying for jobs since the weekend and they will find out how much they will miss me almost immediately as I have improved things quite markedly and am in the process of setting up new procedures and contracts so I will now just do the barest minimum (which goes against the grain) until they get rid of me.

Again, thank you for the advice and kind words mate.

I have been through this before although at big companies - some things don't sound right. Is it a small place?

Technically they only have to pay you statutory and 3 months is a much better deal. Question is it 15 weeks pay and you go or is it 15 weeks gardening leave? Paid up is better.

If they mess this up from a legal / technical perspective you can make a claim and potentially get more out of them - but it's a massive pain in the ass going through the process. Strongly suggest you take the money and find a new job. The best advice is from a law firm but this is ambulance chaser work and i would be very careful, they will all talk you into making a claim. Only open this door if you feel like they have genuinely shafted you. Otherwise the lawyers are just after something to charge fee's on and what ever you get out won't be worth the hassle.

 

[bluesking]

Well done Ole :-)

Bastard! I have been rumbled!! Lol!