Lyon CL QF Post-Match Thread

With all due respect Peps' hands were tied by Sane's injury, he didn't plan to go into this season without a natural winger in my opinion.

I've said it a million times, I don't agree with the decision to start Gundogan over Bernardo or Foden. I understand the reasons why Pep thinks Gundogan is the right choice though, there's logic (ball retention and defensive stability) behind the madness but it's still madness in my opinion.

The crazy move for me was putting Fernandinho back in midfield (along with Rodri/Gun), he's been playing CB all season, it isn't easy to make the switch back and it showed. Making him captain made it harder to hook him.
 
hello,
A thought provoking post. A lot on here won’t like it, and I don’t necessarily agree with everything myself, but it’s a brave and carefully considered effort from an interested outsider.
really not written to hurt anyone, or to provoke , just to say in Paris we suffer exactly the same desillusions each year, with coaches who get so much pressure from their bosses for c1 that they end crappin their pants.
Tuchel went vs atalanta with 3 defensive midfields, one being a central defender. We went close to drama again if leonardo hadnt call him to make some changes.
I consider a lot of our players in paris and city are overrated, mostly cos we have to overpay transfer fees, and in an attempt to say it was a good deal, we put polish on the player, and blabla his "insane " level.
We bought gueye for 40M haahah, we got robbed so bad lool, he is just insanely bad. But he s there, gets his 7m a year, and we have to make the transfer usefull. So he plays.
Ofc, a collective force is brillant vs shit teams of pl or l1, but real level shines in real competitions. On the opposite, i think we can agree to say that bayern has a shtload of underated players we all woudl be glad to welcome in our clubs.

And really , we get fuked by var soo much, by uefa, i feel for you on the var decisions that are systematically against us and you and for oponents. Its a fact, u get the worse refs as we do, when bayern of liverpool will get their 12th player on pitch. So, im annoyed ot see so much hate on some players, its just football.
Then, i hope for you pep has a bit of decency and moves back in catalunia where crying is a national sport. You deserve way better, and as a simple example, you were FAR BETTER when we faced each other in 2016, and pep wasnt there.
 
Every year in the CL, we screw up. We'll never win it. Now, you can argue about UEFA not allowing us to win it. Which may have some merit to it. But we have a mental block towards that competition. We shouldn't be losing that game tonight. And we shouldn't have been losing to the likes of Spurs (VAR or no VAR) a couple of seasons back.
It’s insecurity rather than arrogance
I think that your observation is spot on.
Pep is a lovely, honest guy, however his confidence is less than what it ought to be given the resources at his disposal.
Our team, our players, need fear no one. Pep is definitely a " Ah but what if?" type of guy. He focusses too much on the "What ifs?", rather than the "What is!".
 
We've all seen Aguero miss easier chances, the standout being against Chelsea (I think) from 2 yards with a completely open goal after a Bernardo cross in front of the South Stand. Thankfully he rectified it a few minutes later from 25 yards but to suggest the misses don't happen is just bollocks.
KDB also v Chelsea at 1-1 in that 3-1 defeat. Same as Sterlings miss,
 
The crazy move for me was putting Fernandinho back in midfield (along with Rodri/Gun), he's been playing CB all season, it isn't easy to make the switch back and it showed. Making him captain made it harder to hook him.
Fernandinho didn't play in midfield, you clearly didn't watch the game.
 
Absolutely , his team selection and tactics were very disappointing , he totally got it wrong against Lyon and a real shame that he saved this for our biggest game of the season ,he has no excuses he deserves all the criticism that is coming his way. Its our fans i feel sorry for , every season we are built up as favourites and every season we fall short Pep had a great opportunity to bury the myth of our Champs league inferiority complex and he failed dismally
at the very least let us go out trying to do what we do
 
Hello,
as a psg fan, i can relate, and im sorry for your loss vs these fuks of lyon.
But i d like to give you a less biased opinion on what we saw and predicted from here.

I personnally expected Lyon to win, for many reasons.
First their place in l1 is purely accidental this year, and they practise a very very defensive type of football, very close to a mourinho old school style.
But in ligue1, as a strong team, u cant get points vs teams that are by essence even more defensive, so they drawed a lot, and its no surprise lyon is very efficient on very little chances, its their habit.
Concerning this aspect, i agree with those who say that pep went pretentious, wich i think he is, and thought "his" style , his "football" would overcome his own players technical abilities.
The fact is that Lyon s midfield is very strong, it s just cos u dotn watch them that u dont witness it, they erased juve midfield and attack for 3 halft times, and imo, even with bernardo for example, result would have been the same.
For a simpel reason, your team was out of shape, completely empty of any energy.
And you guy dotn mention that, Lyon went on physical trainig in early june, hoping to be in top shape right now.
Ligue 1 stopped, Bundesliga went on right away. Semis prove these were the 2 good decisions.
The 3 countries that decided to go on with their league despite the pause and the upcoming c1, got fingered.
Spanish teams are done, no gaz. Italians, and yours as well. You went back to your leagues despite a pause that was terrible in terms of stress, physical loss, to end your championships.
Doing so, you lost so much energy, and ruined your chances of being in shape in august.

I was amazed by the physical level of lyon in past weeks, and you were already terrible against arsenal wich is very very very bad team, which would actually dream of half of lyons team.
Most of the french players in this one are in French team, and could have been already in more "shiny" clubs. Gundogan, bernardo, etc arent even close to aouar s level , he has one of each in his left nut.

Pep acts nice etc, but lets be fair , hes a fukin dick . He profundely despise defensive football, and teams that either prove him wrong or what he calls unfair wich would be losing basically. I knew he ll despise garcia s mourinhian tactics , and would put his second squad to prove his style is the best. Doing so, if it went bad he d insist cos he always does.

You know that he built his football on the cruyff and bielsa philosophies. Result is behind the way you play for these. Today proves he is puting himself above fans, footballers, as a lesson giver, wich bielsa got hated in the end in Marseilles for this same reason, sayin to the world : people, as god i tell you result is less important than what we tried to do on the field yatiyata, where lyons just does this and this, we had better stats , better this tralalalala...ok then so why did u lose 1-3? and didnt make more changes? Cos he s pretentious, and even more dangerous he is as i just described, mystical.
And in that aspect, he is exactly like mourinho. He destroys mentally players. First 3 years are extatic, then , even if it works , he wants more. Cos he s more a researcher in football tactics today than guy u pay to win. He puts himself above this, and personally i think its pityfullly pretentious and pathetic from a common human being.

Cruyff s style, im sure i d find a lot to discuss hours about it here, imho works only if u have the best player in the wolrd in ur team, romario , messi, henry etc

Wenger calls himself from cruyff, and yes, his style worked with henry..with others it didnt.
I m of the sacchi school, wich takes a bunch of lumberjacks and make them able to win a c1, and the new german school is widely inspired by sacchi and lobanovsky s tactics.
I think the one man tactic, creating space for 1 player, who will open etc, as again it was hoped for kdb tonight comes to an end, as defensively tactics evolved a lot in last 5 years.

I dont see pep changing, and he s now close to be a new mourinho. Obsessed by his image, caricature of himself, as a city fan i woudl have go absolutely berserk watchin the piece of pathetic acting drama pep did in interview. Setien had more balls yesterday to answer to worse, and he basically has none .
This also comes right to many who think pep without messi is nothing. I say cruyffs style works with the best player of the world/league in ur team. Messi, henry, etc..
When u dont, u need a more pragmatic system, and he ll never do that.
Garcia is a submourinho, praises defense as his god. But with a very technical midfield, and pace in front, very basic stuff.

But combined to a much better shape, some overated and old players, a pretentious stubborn coach, who today after failing in bayern and in city now cannot be called the best one in the world anymore, it was very predictable.

Both our clubs , must overpay players , salarys and transfer fees, cos we are the outcasts of the rich clubs.
How does this affect our level?
We re happy to have top players, mbappe, kdb etc. We pay them a lot, that isnt a problem, these are pro players. But we need a complete team, and to make that team we have to overpay middle class players too. These middle class players get insane salaries, makin them unsellable. And for most, a salary is relative to their level, but this is in their minds. Reality...And when this idea comes in the fans mind, it gets bad.
Many of your players are washed up, but are paid so much u wont ever get rid of em until the end of all contracts. You have names that did their jobs in pl, but are done now, and idk how u gonna refresh ur team.

Now U will never be C1 s favorite, same for psg, til we win one. Before that, we will be outsiders , our players, our names or coaches, dont count for shit against the power of history and time. We are called favourites city and psg by pundits who know very well u arent til u won one, but only to be happy to destroy us publicly after. Dont play this for them, its only a game, and at this level, losing in quarterfinals isnt shameful.
What is is to avoid deliberatly to witness the quality of the rival team, wich wasnt there cos it sucks, it s a final 8, the 8 best teams in the world, level differences are tiny.

Cheerup guys, u just had no luck, players arent responsible for being paid and selected.
Wish us the win, that d be pîssing off uefa a lot .
Talk about character assination ,out of order,you over pay players,we do not
 

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