Madeleine McCann
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Lavinda Past
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If the Portuguese police aren't totally committed, it's most likely because the British police / Interpol have (for some reason) chosen to largely ignore their findings. The German police appear to have their own agenda, having identified a 'patsy'.
The whole thing is a shambles and the McCann's appear to have been treated very favourably.
Was it fuck
I still don't let my daughter out of my sight when she's out with me and she's a damn sight older than Madeleine was.
Fuck knows where you were holidaying or who you were holidaying with but if you think that normal behaviour I hope to God you don't have kids.
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Back to the body language experts again - Jesus wept.
Lavinda Past
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I was born in May 59, the summer was apparently a very hot one,my Mum told me she used to put me in the pram on the pavement outside out terraced house, however, she told me she never left me unattended until I was old enough and responsible enough to look after myself.
This was pretty much what all parents did back in those innocent days but the Moors Murders sent shockwaves through society just a few years later.
I don’t know any family or friends who have left kids unattended either at home or on holiday.
Not sure what to think about the McCann’s but what they did was irresponsible.
I have kids , it was common behaviour, you may choose to disbelieve it. Lots of people would no longer believe people smoked in front of children.
Putting kids to bed going a couple of hundred metres out and checking up on them happened.. You may regard it as appalling but it was normal behaviour for many people.
peoples social norms change over time.at one time homosexuality was a sin.
LangleyBlue1970
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But you are talking like 15 years ago was decades ago. It was 2010.
I didn't say I profess to be a body language expert did I you knob? Although I actually have studied the subject. I gave my opinion on the case and how I felt on watching their interview, which I'm perfectly entitled to do. It doesn't make my feelings and opinion on it any more or less valid than yours or anybody else on this planet.
Johnny Mars Bar
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Was it fuck!
What holiday resorts were you going to, the annual shite parenting collective meeting?
That's right I've no idea how common it is now. I imagine this kind of high profile case means it's far less common but back then I went on several holidays and it was very common.
Scottyboi
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Chatting bollocks only shite parents would even consider doing such a thing. Common my arse.
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Leaving a three year old and two year old twins in an empty apartment isn’t normal.
Maybe not common, but some parents do leave children alone when drinking on holiday.
Before we had kids, my wife and i went away with another (professional working) couple who had two very young children.
In the resort, they had what you call a "listening" service. Basically, somebody would circle the rooms and listen for any noises or crying. If there was a problem, they would come to whatever bar you was in and alert you. It was a very popular service. One of the couple did return to the room about every half hour.
We thought at the time this was strange and said so. The reply we got back was that we would change our minds once we had kids. Their lives were a round of childminders and babysitters.
Well i can safely say that we didn't change our minds. It wouldn't be something we would even consider.
However, any comments that it is strange/unheard of to do this are plainly wrong.
Before we had kids, my wife and i went away with another (professional working) couple who had two very young children.
In the resort, they had what you call a "listening" service. Basically, somebody would circle the rooms and listen for any noises or crying. If there was a problem, they would come to whatever bar you was in and alert you. It was a very popular service. One of the couple did return to the room about every half hour.
We thought at the time this was strange and said so. The reply we got back was that we would change our minds once we had kids. Their lives were a round of childminders and babysitters.
Well i can safely say that we didn't change our minds. It wouldn't be something we would even consider.
However, any comments that it is strange/unheard of to do this are plainly wrong.
Scottyboi
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Professional working couple who outsourced the raising of their children so have no natural safety concerns colour me shocked. They were irresponsible selfish dickheads and most likely still are.
hilts
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My only recollection of kids being somewhat unattended as a norm was the good old days of butlins where you had members of staff patrolling the families chalets. That was probably a little dodgy back in the 70s but as a young kid I wasn't aware of how strong security was.
There are probably some shit parents who leave their kids asleep in a hotel room or on a complex if they can see the apartment but its a minority , what happened with maddie though was another level of sheer selfishness due to where they were and the position of the room.
They basically took a chance on probabilities with the welfare of their child and will pay for that every single day for the rest of their lives.
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I have always found it hard to feel sorry for them.
Perhaps it's the way the press/media treat them. If this had been parents of a council estate the press/media would have behaved differently as would the authorities back home.
My kids were about the same ages as their kids, when on holiday our kids were in bed at their normal times. We as parents would sit watching tv.
We would pack each day so night times were normal, plus everyone was knackered.
The most precious things to us are our kids, still are I wouldnt dream of leaving them alone in a caravan and going out to eat. Why would you ?
There's just something about them I don't like or trust
Perhaps it's the way the press/media treat them. If this had been parents of a council estate the press/media would have behaved differently as would the authorities back home.
My kids were about the same ages as their kids, when on holiday our kids were in bed at their normal times. We as parents would sit watching tv.
We would pack each day so night times were normal, plus everyone was knackered.
The most precious things to us are our kids, still are I wouldnt dream of leaving them alone in a caravan and going out to eat. Why would you ?
There's just something about them I don't like or trust
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hilts
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It was the claim that it was 90% and the norm.
Where did you go? I never met anyone who would do that unless between my kids being born and 2010 things changed hugely
My kids were born in 96 and 99. When we went away they stayed with us as a family
I remember the nights in say Spain when the kids went to bed, we all went to the apartment. They went to bed and we sat on the porch or balcony. Had a drink and a chat.
That was what always amazed me about this case, so called educated people did what they did and others out with them also seem to have gone along with it.
I not for adding to their pain as they will know it was a huge mistake and will have to live with that. I am surprised they are still together as usually one is blamed by the other for making such a decision.
Nebuchadnezzar
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I'm just thankful I'm not them. Able to view it through a different lens since having my own child, 100% avoidable incident. If you can't go on holiday and stay together as a family, either leave the kids at home with a relative or trusted minder or just don't go.