I can answer that using how i was brought up as my basis for reasoning...
It is neglect plain and simple. There are no mitigating circumstances here at all. You go on holiday with the kids, it is for the kids. Any parent putting anything above that are neglectful so and so's who deserve all the scorn poured upon them. My mum would have sun cream an inch thick on me along with the regulatory t-shirt over the top of that. Everything involved me, the young kid totally reliant on my mothers ability to protect and raise me. If i went out of her sight she made sure the world stopped until i was safe and sound.
The word is full of danger and i was brought up to understand your child is beyond paramount, literally nothing comes before them, not even your next lung full of air. My mother was at the time a functioning middle class alcoholic type but even that was not strong enough to stop her seeing me as the absolute priority in her life. If i had the flu, i'd wake up and mum was sat there watching me, all night!
Now if we take the view they were not involved they are at least guilty of leaving a kid, barely out of being a toddler alone whilst they enjoyed a lovely evening with other adults. For myself i find them absolutely guilty of the childs death/kidnap. I say this because the child has no awareness or understanding where they can take matters into their own hands. That child was at the mercy of their parents and they failed her on a large level.
My mum is absolute about this and it has rubbed off on me. Others may differ but personally i have nothing but anger and disdain for the parents. They failed a child totally reliant on them for what? a good old chat and glass of wine? They deserve the heartache as cold as it sounds because it was their choice to leave a young child alone.
The pandering to their heartache makes me angry to be honest. YOU are the adult and had a huge responsibility, YOU failed that child. Nothing anyone says can negate that.
Why is it laughable?
Maybe if you watched the documentary you'd know you're saying is complete nonsense.They could be barking for any reason. We can communicate at a very, very basic level with dogs so we have no idea what they’re barking at and shouldn’t treat their bark as anything more than a potential starting point that ought to be corroborated with other methods of testing (luminal, DNA, CCTV etc.). For all we know, the dogs might have thought ‘he gives me a biscuit every time I bark so if I bark in that corner where he seems to be leading me then jobs a goodun’.
Maybe if you watched the documentary you'd know you're saying is complete nonsense.
The handler of Eddie and Keela, Martin Grimes had worked with sniffer dogs for over 30 years, these dogs are specially trained to give a 'tell' when they scent what they are looking for. In the case of the Cadaver dog it was specifically trained to only bark when it found the scent of a Cadaver.
The blood dog's 'tell' was to point it's nose at the spot in which it had found the smell of blood.
Go and watch the last 20 minutes of the 3rd episode and you'll see why these dogs don't just randomly bark at anything
I just hope if she died it was quick and not involving sexual stuff. If she was kidnapped the best thoughts one can have is that of another family who lost/cant have a kid. That is obviously terrible but at least the child was loved and not abused in ways she could never understand. Sadly the logic in me says a kidnapping like this is thought out. The perpetrators would scout out complexes where such a kidnap could occur with minimal risk. Such a setup implies human trafficking.Hard to disagree with anything you've said mate. As I've said the twins, Madeline and those who were caught in the crossfire after are who I feel sorry for
It's hard to argue with that - our family parties the coats got put under the table for the kids to kip on. Those children were so small they should have fell asleep in their parents arms; if the parents wanted a few more drinks then why not go back to the apartment with kids?
It is terribly sad mate. As awful as it sounds with how prestigious the case is I imagine if she was kidnapped that she would have likely been viewed as too much as a risk now by those who abducted herI just hope if she died it was quick and not involving sexual stuff. If she was kidnapped the best thoughts one can have is that of another family who lost/cant have a kid. That is obviously terrible but at least the child was loved and not abused in ways she could never understand. Sadly the logic in me says a kidnapping like this is thought out. The perpetrators would scout out complexes where such a kidnap could occur with minimal risk. Such a setup implies human trafficking.
Exactly this! i just don't see how anything else is less than neglect. If you have kids you have made a statement that your happiness is totally secondary to the childs. If you can organize it so both work together then fair play to you but it stands, you have a kid, your social life is absolutely secondary. In fact less than that it is not even on the same scale. Like you say, grab a few bottles and go sit on the patio. I could not rest if that was me, the fact they could adds to my personal hate of the parents. I do mean hate btw, i personally despise them as humans.
The woe is me stuff is bullshit, they were adults who knew better and still did what they did, they have no recourse for sympathy. If they were just numb and accepted their responsibility my hate for them may not be as strong but this was not some oversight or genuine mistake. These adults who were doctors willfully thought "ahh it's ok" with their childs security at stake. Nobody had a gun to their head, they made this judgement and decided a night out drinking superseded their childs security.
The more i think of it the more i hate them.
I've no reason to believe otherwise. These dogs used were amongst the best in the business (passed away in recent years sadly) at what they did at the time.So you think these dogs are 100% reliable?
Depends on your upper limit!and beyond 21 - is that a little odd? - or ok?
Ruff justice, mate.Just watched the footage of the cadaver dogs for the first time. Completely laughable, especially when they started randomly barking at the McCanns’ clothes. It’s worrying that evidence such as this is even admissible in our justice system.
More reliable than humans that is for sure. Can they make mistakes? of course but it is very rare. Technical fails they can make but they are totally clean of anything else like biased reporting.So you think these dogs are 100% reliable?
I've no reason to believe otherwise. These dogs used were amongst the best in the business (passed away in recent years sadly) at what they did at the time.
Well if you’re that certain, why even have a trial? Surely you can just bring the dogs up to the McCanns or any suspected murderer and if the dogs bark then they’re guilty?
More reliable than humans that is for sure. Can they make mistakes? of course but it is very rare. Technical fails they can make but they are totally clean of anything else like biased reporting.
There is absolutely room for false positives and personally do not point the finger at anyone due to the dogs but it does make me focus on one aspect as opposed to others, all the while remembering they can make mistakes and not to make the evidence fit any perceptions i have (i try to keep none or at least be aware i am being swayed one way or the other). I try my best to stay away from "i reckon" stuff when things get serious like this so personally try to keep it totally to the logic and reason .
Well if you’re that certain, why even have a trial? Surely you can just bring the dogs up to the McCanns or any suspected murderer and if the dogs bark then they’re guilty?
mate you mention heartache do you believe they had/have any? as i certainly dont look at the pictures of ralph and denise bulger compared to the mccans you can see they are dead inside..I can answer that using how i was brought up as my basis for reasoning...
It is neglect plain and simple. There are no mitigating circumstances here at all. You go on holiday with the kids, it is for the kids. Any parent putting anything above that are neglectful so and so's who deserve all the scorn poured upon them. My mum would have sun cream an inch thick on me along with the regulatory t-shirt over the top of that. Everything involved me, the young kid totally reliant on my mothers ability to protect and raise me. If i went out of her sight she made sure the world stopped until i was safe and sound.
The word is full of danger and i was brought up to understand your child is beyond paramount, literally nothing comes before them, not even your next lung full of air. My mother was at the time a functioning middle class alcoholic type but even that was not strong enough to stop her seeing me as the absolute priority in her life. If i had the flu, i'd wake up and mum was sat there watching me, all night!
Now if we take the view they were not involved they are at least guilty of leaving a kid, barely out of being a toddler alone whilst they enjoyed a lovely evening with other adults. For myself i find them absolutely guilty of the childs death/kidnap. I say this because the child has no awareness or understanding where they can take matters into their own hands. That child was at the mercy of their parents and they failed her on a large level.
My mum is absolute about this and it has rubbed off on me. Others may differ but personally i have nothing but anger and disdain for the parents. They failed a child totally reliant on them for what? a good old chat and glass of wine? They deserve the heartache as cold as it sounds because it was their choice to leave a young child alone.
The pandering to their heartache makes me angry to be honest. YOU are the adult and had a huge responsibility, YOU failed that child. Nothing anyone says can negate that.
I just hope if she died it was quick and not involving sexual stuff. If she was kidnapped the best thoughts one can have is that of another family who lost/cant have a kid. That is obviously terrible but at least the child was loved and not abused in ways she could never understand. Sadly the logic in me says a kidnapping like this is thought out. The perpetrators would scout out complexes where such a kidnap could occur with minimal risk. Such a setup implies human trafficking.
Exactly this! i just don't see how anything else is less than neglect. If you have kids you have made a statement that your happiness is totally secondary to the childs. If you can organize it so both work together then fair play to you but it stands, you have a kid, your social life is absolutely secondary. In fact less than that it is not even on the same scale. Like you say, grab a few bottles and go sit on the patio. I could not rest if that was me, the fact they could adds to my personal hate of the parents. I do mean hate btw, i personally despise them as humans.
The woe is me stuff is bullshit, they were adults who knew better and still did what they did, they have no recourse for sympathy. If they were just numb and accepted their responsibility my hate for them may not be as strong but this was not some oversight or genuine mistake. These adults who were doctors willfully thought "ahh it's ok" with their childs security at stake. Nobody had a gun to their head, they made this judgement and decided a night out drinking superseded their childs security.
The more i think of it the more i hate them.
Maybe if you watched the documentary you'd know you're saying is complete nonsense.
The handler of Eddie and Keela, Martin Grimes had worked with sniffer dogs for over 30 years, these dogs are specially trained to give a 'tell' when they scent what they are looking for. In the case of the Cadaver dog it was specifically trained to only bark when it found the scent of a Cadaver.
The blood dog's 'tell' was to point it's nose at the spot in which it had found the smell of blood.
Go and watch the last 20 minutes of the 3rd episode and you'll see why these dogs don't just randomly bark at anything
The blood dog isn't the issue I have really, it's the cadaver dog.A mentioned above the blood dogs show where they can smell blood, however, further on in the documentary following on from tests of the blood there is no proof whatsoever that the blood was that of Maddie.
Nobody will ever know. Isn’t that the point? You are speculating.The blood dog isn't the issue I have really, it's the cadaver dog.
Why did it alert multiple times in the McCanns apartment and on their rental car to the scent of a corpse?
On the contrary, the Cadaver dog alerting to the scent of cadaverine is a stone cold fact. It's not speculation. One of the few facts in this caseNobody will ever know. Isn’t that the point? You are speculating.