Madeleine McCann

threadkiller said:
Watch this..

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Do Brits have a Fifth Amendment type right, or is silence considered an indication of non-cooperation and (suspicion of) guilt?

The British version of the Miranda Warning is quite different.

Sorry for the drift, but I have no idea what happened to Madeline and doubt we will ever know. Millions of people are missing across the world and I’m not sure what makes this one so special, apart from the British tabloid media’s obsession with trying to show the parents did it... much like Jon Benet Ramsey in Boulder, CO.

No coincidence they were both beautiful young girls, and have probably succumbed to the whims of much older men. Men, one might argue, in general and throughout history, have been a bit of a plague on the human race, and perhaps even worse for other living organisms.

Sad.
 
Only started watching the documentary yesterday. Couldn’t believe Robert Murat was made the number one suspect all because one journalist thought he “looked unusual”. An excellent way of driving away people who are trying to help.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Do Brits have a Fifth Amendment type right, or is silence considered an indication of non-cooperation and (suspicion of) guilt?

The British version of the Miranda Warning is quite different.

Sorry for the drift, but I have no idea what happened to Madeline and doubt we will ever know. Millions of people are missing across the world and I’m not sure what makes this one so special, apart from the British tabloid media’s obsession with trying to show the parents did it... much like Jon Benet Ramsey in Boulder, CO.

No coincidence they were both beautiful young girls, and have probably succumbed to the whims of much older men. Men, one might argue, in general and throughout history, have been a bit of a plague on the human race, and perhaps even worse for other living organisms.

Sad.
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On the whole, I think the press over here were more focused on portraying the Portuguese police as inept rather than saying the parents did it. With regards to Jon Benet, doesn't all of the evidence point to the fact that either her parents or brother did it and the family covered it up with a comically bad ransom story?
 
I find myself constantly changing my mind on what happened.

The McCann's behaviour was odd but they had a PR consultant on board early that was instructing them on what to do to keep this in the public eye and secure the resources to find their daughter. But even that is odd.

I probably don't have enough money to afford top end PR consultants but my main focus if my daughter was taken would be on finding her and I wouldn't give a shit whether I came across like a ****. Were they poorly advised or purposely spending money on advisors to help keep them out of the investigation as long as possible.

Would I give a shit if someone accused me of killing my daughter if I hadn't?! Would I spend time and money on a libel case to secure damages?

The immediate behaviour is odd. If my Mrs had have found my daughter missing she would have screamed the place down, she wouldn't walk back to the restaurant. But people act in different ways. The fact they didn't assist the Portuguese police is odd. They were confrontational and then made it a media circus. This led to poor policing and conflicts between the Portuguese and British police/media.

I don't know what happened and I don't think we will ever find out. But for no one to see her being taken is remarkable. And makes me feel like there is much more to this case than a simple abduction.
 
supercity88 said:
I find myself constantly changing my mind on what happened.

The McCann's behaviour was odd but they had a PR consultant on board early that was instructing them on what to do to keep this in the public eye and secure the resources to find their daughter. But even that is odd.

I probably don't have enough money to afford top end PR consultants but my main focus if my daughter was taken would be on finding her and I wouldn't give a shit whether I came across like a ****. Were they poorly advised or purposely spending money on advisors to help keep them out of the investigation as long as possible.

Would I give a shit if someone accused me of killing my daughter if I hadn't?! Would I spend time and money on a libel case to secure damages?

The immediate behaviour is odd. If my Mrs had have found my daughter missing she would have screamed the place down, she wouldn't walk back to the restaurant. But people act in different ways. The fact they didn't assist the Portuguese police is odd. They were confrontational and then made it a media circus. This led to poor policing and conflicts between the Portuguese and British police/media.

I don't know what happened and I don't think we will ever find out. But for no one to see her being taken is remarkable. And makes me feel like there is much more to this case than a simple abduction.
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I'm the same. On the one hand, it seems that there's something way off about the McCann's behaviour but on the other I find myself asking could they keep this up without cracking for over a decade if they were in some way responsible?

It felt to me that on the Crimewatch programme a few years ago the Met were trying to trip the McCanns up - perhaps because they agreed with the view of their Portuguese counterparts about what happened, if not the way the Portuguese police went about the investigation, but needed some hard evidence. When they put up that photofit, it bore more than a passing resemblance to Gerry.
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
Just watched the dogs section on the Netflix series. Anyone who doesn't suspect the parents after watching that has their head buried in the sand
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I find it sad that this case keeps getting stirred up by tabloid media. If you look at the facts the investigation had practically nothing to go on form day 1 and it still doesn't.

The use of dogs proves practically nothing as they do not give you any concrete information. They were in there many months after the disappearance. Even if you accept they identified a death in the apartment or that Maddie died in the apartment to 100% accuracy what does that give you? It doesn't say who was responsible. The facts on the ground make it incredibly difficult for the McCanns to have been involved, there is no window of more than about an hour in the early evening for them to dispose of a body! They had no car! There were a number of potential witnesses if they had tried to dispose of a body. If this was unplanned then how the F did they manage to hide her within an hour to the extent she would never be found despite possibly the biggest search ever conducted for a missing person. If it was planned then there is no way they would have left the trail of events they did - no one would ever plan something like that where they exposed themselves to the level of criticism they have! I don't think the McCannes are anything other than scapegoats for the incompetent Portuguese investigators and perfect fodder for the worst kind of journalism.
 
Gaudion M said:
I find it sad that this case keeps getting stirred up by tabloid media. If you look at the facts the investigation had practically nothing to go on form day 1 and it still doesn't.

The use of dogs proves practically nothing as they do not give you any concrete information. They were in there many months after the disappearance. Even if you accept they identified a death in the apartment or that Maddie died in the apartment to 100% accuracy what does that give you? It doesn't say who was responsible. The facts on the ground make it incredibly difficult for the McCanns to have been involved, there is no window of more than about an hour in the early evening for them to dispose of a body! They had no car! There were a number of potential witnesses if they had tried to dispose of a body. If this was unplanned then how the F did they manage to hide her within an hour to the extent she would never be found despite possibly the biggest search ever conducted for a missing person. If it was planned then there is no way they would have left the trail of events they did - no one would ever plan something like that where they exposed themselves to the level of criticism they have! I don't think the McCannes are anything other than scapegoats for the incompetent Portuguese investigators and perfect fodder for the worst kind of journalism.
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I don't want them to be guilty but I sat down and watched this with someone who thought all the conspiracies was nonsense. After watching episodes 3-5 they'd changed their mind.
The simple fact is that Madeline hadn't been seen by anyone before the incidents of the tapas 7 for a good while
Please watch the episodes because they present the facts so much better than I ever will be able too
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Do Brits have a Fifth Amendment type right, or is silence considered an indication of non-cooperation and (suspicion of) guilt?

The British version of the Miranda Warning is quite different.

Sorry for the drift, but I have no idea what happened to Madeline and doubt we will ever know. Millions of people are missing across the world and I’m not sure what makes this one so special, apart from the British tabloid media’s obsession with trying to show the parents did it... much like Jon Benet Ramsey in Boulder, CO.

No coincidence they were both beautiful young girls, and have probably succumbed to the whims of much older men. Men, one might argue, in general and throughout history, have been a bit of a plague on the human race, and perhaps even worse for other living organisms.

Sad.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_silence_in_England_and_Wales

We do have a right to remain silent, but, hiding salient information from investigators is frowned upon, and can be used to infer guilt (circumstancially).
 
Personally I think they’re guilty as fuck. At the very least the child neglect is disgraceful. Cunts. The pair of them come across as fucking sinister

Why are the Met paying for this shit too? Surely if any force is paying it should be Leicestershire it whatever tin pot constabulary they come under

She’s dead ffs. On Kate and Gerry’s watch. Awful human beings
 
Shit documentary IMO, kept going on about the Algarve in the fucking 50's or whatever, who gives a shit? They drag it all along for 8 episodes when it should have been 4 at the maximum, there are things mentioned that then just disappear and even though they're trying to stay impartial there does seem to be a hint of bias in the storytelling. It's pretty clear that the whole thing was handled poorly by everyone involved, including the parents, "witnesses", police, british and portuguese press, PR and local as well as british bigwigs, its one big fuck up after another.

There is a part of the documentary where they suggest there are cultural differences that aren't understood by both sides and that the Portuguese didn't understand that British leave their kids and go out for drinks, or something to that effect. I personally don't know anyone that does something like that, but if they did i'd assume it would be close enough to have a baby monitor. They claimed they could see the apartment, bollocks, they claimed the front door was locked, bollocks, they claimed the window had been opened from the outside with a jimmy, bollocks, the door that they used to enter and exit the premises (seemed to me?) to be on the side of the apartment which anyone could just walk into which they left open..WTF. I have two daughters, if i had done some of the things they had done i would be racked with guilt, i'd be unable to look my partner or anyone else in the eye knowing the gravity of the fuck up i'd been involved in. Maybe these two are stronger than me and the single-mindedness they have in finding their daughter overrides everything.
 
They are at least guilty of child neglect.

There are also huge holes in their version of events. Why did they refuse to allow hair/blood samples (sedatives) to be taken from the other daughter? Why did she wash the kid's toy rabbit several times? Why did they change their hire care suddenly? The whole witness thing (Tapas 7) seemed staged also.

The police will know more than they are letting on, but I wouldn't be surprised if their is something more sinister going on here.
 
Watching episode 6. Funny how everyone involved with the private investigation won't rule out clairvoyant activity and any small insignificant shred of evidence.

But they are more then happy to completely disregard the only bit of real evidence with the cadaver dogs
 
Mon Autre said:
On the whole, I think the press over here were more focused on portraying the Portuguese police as inept rather than saying the parents did it. With regards to Jon Benet, doesn't all of the evidence point to the fact that either her parents or brother did it and the family covered it up with a comically bad ransom story?
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Not anymore, but the narrative is ALWAYS an inside job.

The investigation was bumbled by a police department more used to campus hi-jinks from UC-Boulder than serious, high profile crimes.

Two things that always paint family members in a bad light are:

1) Historical data points directly at them.
2) People react differently to such trauma, yet we all read our own experiences into the family’s reactions and make assumptions.
 
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