Madeleine McCann

[SWP's back]

No, in the annals of crime it doesn't happen that way. The fact that you say it 'beggars belief' speaks volumes that you haven't studied stuff of a similar nature.
Name me some cases where we have seen this before.

You know full well that would be impossible as to assume their guilt (yet they get away with it, by doing exactly as they have done) would mean that any similar cases would have ended the same way. With the potential killers never being found guilty.

Ok. So tell me some similar cases then. I'm getting at the high profile actions of the parents here.
Not interested in any outcome of similar actions.

So you are saying that they can't be guilty as their action is unique (or a first)?

You can't see how a story can snowball, especially when backed by an "emotional" (read money motivated) media during a quiet news period. I know I stopped reading the Express (back when I used to get a daily paper delivered) for the reason that I was sick to fucking death of the front page being dedicated to Maddie every day for the best part of a month.

I'm impressed by your big heart Mac but there is definately a huge credability gap in their story and I am a cynic.

 

[mackenzie]

Not sure what you mean by that. The evidence of the Irish family suggests they moved the body very quickly, possibly the same night.

Any links to that Irish couple story mate ?. It has me fascinated

Here's one source: http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html

Here's the summary:

Just before 10:00pm on the night of 03 May 2007, the Smith family from Ireland pass a man carrying a child in his arms. The man averts his eyes from them to signal that he does not wish to speak.

Four months later, during which time the McCanns never sought to exploit this potentially crucial sighting, the Smith family are watching TV. They see the McCanns return to the UK and observe Gerry leave the plane and walk across the tarmac with Sean in his arms.

The father, Martin Smith, is shocked. He recognises the walking style and the way the child is being held against the shoulder. It is exactly like the man he saw on the streets of Praia da Luz, four months earlier.

This sighting could be of any man and any child.

Do we really believe that the mccanns have done away with their much loved first born child, then Gerry carries said dead child in such a way, whilst withholding any emotion through a public street????

Come on?!!!

 

[blumoon]

Not sure what you mean by that. The evidence of the Irish family suggests they moved the body very quickly, possibly the same night.

Any links to that Irish couple story mate ?. It has me fascinated

Here's one source: http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html

Here's the summary:

Just before 10:00pm on the night of 03 May 2007, the Smith family from Ireland pass a man carrying a child in his arms. The man averts his eyes from them to signal that he does not wish to speak.

Four months later, during which time the McCanns never sought to exploit this potentially crucial sighting, the Smith family are watching TV. They see the McCanns return to the UK and observe Gerry leave the plane and walk across the tarmac with Sean in his arms.

The father, Martin Smith, is shocked. He recognises the walking style and the way the child is being held against the shoulder. It is exactly like the man he saw on the streets of Praia da Luz, four months earlier.

Thanks PB

 

[mcfc-mark]

if the parents were from a council estate would the police ect. even still be looking?

 

[mackenzie]

You know full well that would be impossible as to assume their guilt (yet they get away with it, by doing exactly as they have done) would mean that any similar cases would have ended the same way. With the potential killers never being found guilty.

Ok. So tell me some similar cases then. I'm getting at the high profile actions of the parents here.
Not interested in any outcome of similar actions.

So you are saying that they can't be guilty as their action is unique (or a first)?

You can't see how a story can snowball, especially when backed by an "emotional" (read money motivated) media during a quiet news period. I know I stopped reading the Express (back when I used to get a daily paper delivered) for the reason that I was sick to fucking death of the front page being dedicated to Maddie every day for the best part of a month.

I'm impressed by your big heart Mac but there is definately a huge credability gap in their story and I am a cynic.

I am quite capable of knowing and understanding the depths that people can sink to. However, I will stand by this couple until facts prove otherwise.
The shit started to hit the fan when they did not react as the public expected and it has been the same ever since. Read the chamberlain baby story. She was crucified too.

 

[SWP's back]

Any links to that Irish couple story mate ?. It has me fascinated

Here's one source: http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html

Here's the summary:

Just before 10:00pm on the night of 03 May 2007, the Smith family from Ireland pass a man carrying a child in his arms. The man averts his eyes from them to signal that he does not wish to speak.

Four months later, during which time the McCanns never sought to exploit this potentially crucial sighting, the Smith family are watching TV. They see the McCanns return to the UK and observe Gerry leave the plane and walk across the tarmac with Sean in his arms.

The father, Martin Smith, is shocked. He recognises the walking style and the way the child is being held against the shoulder. It is exactly like the man he saw on the streets of Praia da Luz, four months earlier.

This sighting could be of any man and any child.

Do we really believe that the mccanns have done away with their much loved first born child, then Gerry carries said dead child in such a way, whilst withholding any emotion through a public street????

Come on?!!!

Until last week, I could not envisage a man calmly spending 90 minutes shooting 80-odd teenagers at point blank range to prove a point about Muslims. You credit humans with far too much

 

[mackenzie]

Ooh! Watched the set of videos. Just confirmed my gut feeling that some big porky pies have been told. I never followed the details of the case, but remember my gut feeling of 'not totally innocent' when I saw their body language on the TV. Tell one lie, and it turns into a series of lies that just grow and grow. In the end, there's no way you can admit the truth, because the condemnation will be a thousand times worse than had you admitted the initial wrongdoing. In the McCanns' case, there's also a shed load of money involved, that various benefactors have donated.

Out of interest, are the McCanns both practising doctors?

He still practises. She doesn't.

 

[SWP's back]

if the parents were from a council estate would the police ect. even still be looking?

Doubtful

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Any links to that Irish couple story mate ?. It has me fascinated

Here's one source: http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html

Here's the summary:

Just before 10:00pm on the night of 03 May 2007, the Smith family from Ireland pass a man carrying a child in his arms. The man averts his eyes from them to signal that he does not wish to speak.

Four months later, during which time the McCanns never sought to exploit this potentially crucial sighting, the Smith family are watching TV. They see the McCanns return to the UK and observe Gerry leave the plane and walk across the tarmac with Sean in his arms.

The father, Martin Smith, is shocked. He recognises the walking style and the way the child is being held against the shoulder. It is exactly like the man he saw on the streets of Praia da Luz, four months earlier.

This sighting could be of any man and any child.

Do we really believe that the mccanns have done away with their much loved first born child, then Gerry carries said dead child in such a way, whilst withholding any emotion through a public street????

Come on?!!!

It's far more credible than their friend's evidence of a man carrying a child, which has been thoroughly discredited.

You've made the mistake of looking at this through your eyes with your emotions and certainly you and I couldn't have done what they did. But remember they are doctors who deal with death and bodies all the time. If they're calculating enough to come up with a cover-up like this then that would be the least of their problems.

The supposition is also that they drugged their own children to ensure they didn't wake accidentally. You wouldn't do that but you're not a medical professional.

But even if the girl had been abducted, would you have left the younger ones in a creche a few days later as they did? No you wouldn't.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Any links to that Irish couple story mate ?. It has me fascinated

Here's one source: http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html

Here's the summary:

Just before 10:00pm on the night of 03 May 2007, the Smith family from Ireland pass a man carrying a child in his arms. The man averts his eyes from them to signal that he does not wish to speak.

Four months later, during which time the McCanns never sought to exploit this potentially crucial sighting, the Smith family are watching TV. They see the McCanns return to the UK and observe Gerry leave the plane and walk across the tarmac with Sean in his arms.

The father, Martin Smith, is shocked. He recognises the walking style and the way the child is being held against the shoulder. It is exactly like the man he saw on the streets of Praia da Luz, four months earlier.

This sighting could be of any man and any child.

Do we really believe that the mccanns have done away with their much loved first born child, then Gerry carries said dead child in such a way, whilst withholding any emotion through a public street????

Come on?!!!

It didn't have to be deliberate, could have been a perfectly accidental incident, say while they were out, and they come back to find her dead and panic, and in the panic they dispose of the body and claim her as missing.

The story runs, they don't get found out completely and they stick to it, partly to avoid a public backlash and also because they can't deal with the truth that she died.

It's a possibility.

 

[mackenzie]

Here's one source: http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html

Here's the summary:

This sighting could be of any man and any child.

Do we really believe that the mccanns have done away with their much loved first born child, then Gerry carries said dead child in such a way, whilst withholding any emotion through a public street????

Come on?!!!

Until last week, I could not envisage a man calmly spending 90 minutes shooting 80-odd teenagers at point blank range to prove a point about Muslims. You credit humans with far too much

Read the history of WW2.

This is different.

 

[SWP's back]

This sighting could be of any man and any child.

Do we really believe that the mccanns have done away with their much loved first born child, then Gerry carries said dead child in such a way, whilst withholding any emotion through a public street????

Come on?!!!

Until last week, I could not envisage a man calmly spending 90 minutes shooting 80-odd teenagers at point blank range to prove a point about Muslims. You credit humans with far too much

Read the history of WW2.

This is different.

Do me a frigging favour.

Awful analogy. Oslo and WW2 bear no resemblance other than to back up my point that humans can do things that no one would expect or envisage.

 

[mackenzie]

Here's one source: http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html

Here's the summary:

This sighting could be of any man and any child.

Do we really believe that the mccanns have done away with their much loved first born child, then Gerry carries said dead child in such a way, whilst withholding any emotion through a public street????

Come on?!!!

It's far more credible than their friend's evidence of a man carrying a child, which has been thoroughly discredited.

You've made the mistake of looking at this through your eyes with your emotions and certainly you and I couldn't have done what they did. But remember they are doctors who deal with death and bodies all the time. If they're calculating enough to come up with a cover-up like this then that would be the least of their problems.

The supposition is also that they drugged their own children to ensure they didn't wake accidentally. You wouldn't do that but you're not a medical professional.

But even if the girl had been abducted, would you have left the younger ones in a creche a few days later as they did? No you wouldn't.

You think they are guilty. I dont.
We have seen the 'evidence' and come to different conclusions.

By your own admission there your conclusion is based on 'ifs' and 'suppositions'

I don't work like that. I trust in my judgement based on what I believe and read and, less importantly, on my intuition. They are not guilty and, like it or not, that is how society as a whole also finds them.

 

[mackenzie]

Until last week, I could not envisage a man calmly spending 90 minutes shooting 80-odd teenagers at point blank range to prove a point about Muslims. You credit humans with far too much

Read the history of WW2.

This is different.

Do me a frigging favour.

Awful analogy. Oslo and WW2 bear no resemblance other than to back up my point that humans can do things that no one would expect or envisage.

Stop swearing.
Why is it an awful analogy? Even those that survived likened him to looking and acting like a Nazi.

 

[SWP's back]

Read the history of WW2.

This is different.

Do me a frigging favour.

Awful analogy. Oslo and WW2 bear no resemblance other than to back up my point that humans can do things that no one would expect or envisage.

Stop swearing.
Why is it an awful analogy? Even those that survived likened him to looking and acting like a Nazi.

If you are now considering frigging as swearing then please man up a little.

To say he "resembled a nazi" does not equate to the 2 events being anywhere near similar. He had not been desensitised to the humans around him through a decade and a half of propaganda stating that they were sub human and all the rest. If you know anything at all about concentration camps, Nazi's and primarily SS death squads then you would know likening the two is, quite frankly, silly.

The only thing it proves is that people can do things that others would never envisage.

As for public opinion stating they are innocent, the majority of people I know, share the same misgivings as me and I am not sure a conclusive Mori poll has been conducted, so it is impossible for you to make that claim.

 

[20sbc07]

Couldnt care less about the Mccanns.

Something like 2 kids are kidnapped every hour, the only reason anyone gives a shit about this family is that they're doctors. If they were average folks no one would have heard of her or her family.

Not true. Any child that is lost from any family that we can relate to (even if only on a 'familiarity' basis borne out of 'that could have been us') is going to get attention. Take for example the family of Sarah Payne. I'm pretty sure we'd be still talking about it now if the child hadn't been found. This isn't about 'class' at all, it's about common humanity.

500 children a year are abducted in the UK
800,000 Children have been reported as missing in a single year in the US

Imagine how many go missing in all the other countries.

Then think how many children have disappeared since Maddie.

How many of them can you name? I cant name a single other one.
I hope they find their kid but imo she deserves no more attention than any of the other millions of kids who have gone missing before/after she was.

 

[crizack]

If she is alive, won't she just tell everyone that she is madeline when she's older, duty she'd remember it.

Ihoe it is her but I can see this being a pr stunt for her mum and dad. Give it 6 months and there'll be a new book out called 'so near, yet so far away' from her parents

 

[Rushton121]

I can see this being a pr stunt for her mum and dad.

this

 

[MCFC BOB]

Couldnt care less about the Mccanns.

Something like 2 kids are kidnapped every hour, the only reason anyone gives a shit about this family is that they're doctors. If they were average folks no one would have heard of her or her family.

Not true. Any child that is lost from any family that we can relate to (even if only on a 'familiarity' basis borne out of 'that could have been us') is going to get attention. Take for example the family of Sarah Payne. I'm pretty sure we'd be still talking about it now if the child hadn't been found. This isn't about 'class' at all, it's about common humanity.

500 children a year are abducted in the UK
800,000 Children have been reported as missing in a single year in the US

Imagine how many go missing in all the other countries.

Then think how many children have disappeared since Maddie.

How many of them can you name? I cant name a single other one.
I hope they find their kid but imo she deserves no more attention than any of the other millions of kids who have gone missing before/after she was.

This is very much the question I asked before.

 

[Rushton121]

MADELEINE McCann's parents had their hopes dashed again last night after a dramatic "sighting" in India proved to be a lookalike.
An elderly British woman and American man spotted a girl resembling Maddie with a couple in the remote Himalayan town of Leh on Friday.
The girl was said to be the spitting image of the youngster, who would now be eight.
In dramatic scenes, the British woman - named only as Carol - accused the parents of having Madeleine. Her American pal even grabbed the youngster to try to get her away from the parents.
Indian detectives arrived and confiscated passports belonging to the mother and father, a Belgian man and French woman. DNA tests are being carried out to establish the girl's identity.

Search ... Leh in India
But last night it emerged she is not Maddie after her parents Kate and Gerry, both 43, of Rothley, Leics, were shown photos. Their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "Kate and Gerry do not believe the child was Madeleine. They have seen photographic evidence and concluded that it was not her."
News of the possible breakthrough sparked a massive internet surge with the story featuring highly on Twitter.

Blow ... Gerry and Kate McCann
A witness to the confrontation, local journalist Jupinderjit Singh, said: "I saw a couple with a little girl walking on the road. I heard the elderly woman, who I later found out was Carol, shouting that the girl was Madeleine and not their daughter.
"The American guy even tried to snatch away the girl from the couple."
Mr Singh added: "She had a striking resemblance to the picture of Madeleine before she disappeared."
Mr Singh said the girl appeared confused and the parents could offer no proof she was their daughter, although the youngster confirmed she was.
Vanished

Mr Singh went on: "She was hiding her face behind the French lady. She could speak fluent French."
Last night a British High Commission spokesman said "Our teams in Delhi and London are tracking this. We are keeping an eye on the issue."
Maddie was three when she vanished from her family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007.
Mr Mitchell added: "We remain grateful for people's vigilance around the world.
"Madeleine is still out there - and the search for her very much continues."


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