Madeleine McCann

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Nah, you said it about me once, that's why I remember it.

And, yes, that does make it a catchphrase...

So I've used it twice in relation to two different posters. You and johnsonontheleft.

Interesting ;-)

I think he may be cyber-stalking you mate.
Or perhaps he sees you as a bit of a cult?

I often hear people referring to me as a cult. Usually when I'm entertaining people with some witty anecdotes after a few drinks.

 

[glen quagmire]

My view on this:

McCann gave poor little girl something to sleep, while him and his wife could go out with their fucking mates and be socialites. It wen't wrong, and instead of being found out, they have buried her somewhere, then milking the country for dosh and sympathy.

I wonder if this new 'sighting' has anything to do with a recent book launch?

Then why does their spokesperson dismiss it as lacking anything different to previous 'sightings?'
Surely they would be wanting to fuel the story even further if they wanted to strengthen the 'myth.'

Keeping the topic 'alive' in the media would've been the goal. They know it is not her as they killed her! (imo)

 

[mackenzie]

My view on this:

McCann gave poor little girl something to sleep, while him and his wife could go out with their fucking mates and be socialites. It wen't wrong, and instead of being found out, they have buried her somewhere, then milking the country for dosh and sympathy.

I wonder if this new 'sighting' has anything to do with a recent book launch?

Then why does their spokesperson dismiss it as lacking anything different to previous 'sightings?'
Surely they would be wanting to fuel the story even further if they wanted to strengthen the 'myth.'

Keeping the topic 'alive' in the media would've been the goal. They know it is not her as they killed her! (imo)

So you think they 'planted' the story and then sat back.

 

[glen quagmire]

Then why does their spokesperson dismiss it as lacking anything different to previous 'sightings?'
Surely they would be wanting to fuel the story even further if they wanted to strengthen the 'myth.'

Keeping the topic 'alive' in the media would've been the goal. They know it is not her as they killed her! (imo)

So you think they 'planted' the story and then sat back.

Yes, in think they manufactured the story, then went out for dinner with a few mates.

 

[mackenzie]

Keeping the topic 'alive' in the media would've been the goal. They know it is not her as they killed her! (imo)

So you think they 'planted' the story and then sat back.

Yes, in think they manufactured the story, then went out for dinner with a few mates.

Like ordinary people on a summer holiday do after the death of a child?

 

[glen quagmire]

So you think they 'planted' the story and then sat back.

Yes, in think they manufactured the story, then went out for dinner with a few mates.

Like ordinary people on a summer holiday do after the death of a child?

Yes.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Keeping the topic 'alive' in the media would've been the goal. They know it is not her as they killed her! (imo)

So you think they 'planted' the story and then sat back.

Yes, in think they manufactured the story, then went out for dinner with a few mates.

I don't agree, I reckon they went to dinner, checked on the kids, found her dead and the panic and cover-up ensued, and once they'd come up with the cover up in the panic they had to stick with it or they'd have faced unparalleled backlash.

 

[mackenzie]

So you think they 'planted' the story and then sat back.

Yes, in think they manufactured the story, then went out for dinner with a few mates.

I don't agree, I reckon they went to dinner, checked on the kids, found her dead and the panic and cover-up ensued, and once they'd come up with the cover up in the panic they had to stick with it or they'd have faced unparalleled backlash.

Well, that theory would certainly keep the local police and community happy anyway, considering the effect an abduction would have on tourism.

 

[glen quagmire]

Mackenzie, i will probably be boring you repeating myself, as i have posted about this before,

My neice, who was also my parents 1st grandchild, died four weeks after her 6th birthday of cancer. I was there, it was awfull. Sitting on the end of her bed, as she lay there, chatting with my brother, the geezer's mind was in another dimension and he knew that the day was coming for almost a year.

It took him a long time to come to terms with the loss, and he is a very strong character, who had faced adversity before. Something doesn't sit right with me, call it intuition, call it just plain mental, but i will stand by the fact that they are guilty as fuck.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Sadly,we will probably never know what really happened that night,hence there will always be speculation.
Personally,I think that the McCann's know more than they have revealed.
Accident/murder/abduction - they are all possibilities.
But feel free to discard whatever ramblings I may post,as according to fulabeer I am a mad,suicidal misfit.

 

[mackenzie]

Mackenzie, i will probably be boring you repeating myself, as i have posted about this before,

My neice, who was also my parents 1st grandchild, died four weeks after her 6th birthday of cancer. I was there, it was awfull. Sitting on the end of her bed, as she lay there, chatting with my brother, the geezer's mind was in another dimension and he knew that the day was coming for almost a year.

It took him a long time to come to terms with the loss, and he is a very strong character, who had faced adversity before. Something doesn't sit right with me, call it intuition, call it just plain mental, but i will stand by the fact that they are guilty as fuck.

Sorry to hear of such a tragedy Glen and I honestly hadn't seen you post of it before (I didn't have Internet access for a few months until recently).
The initial concerns with the mccanns I think was their seeming lack of emotion in the immediate aftermath, but we all react in different ways. In fact I think they did go to pieces but were determined to find her before the trail went cold and so used the media to try and keep it alive. Much as they are still doing. And that is what convinces me they are innocent.

 

[brooklandsblue2.0]

Sometimes I despair.

1) Everytime I see a Maddie Mcann story I almost fear reading the thread because of the outright hatred and bile that some people have towards them. Yes, they made a mistake, but believe me many parents have been guilty of doing the same for 10 minutes at a time, my mum informed me that they did the same on holiday....I know its not in the parenting manual and they'll live with that mistake for the rest of their lives. To suggest they killed their own child is beyond ridiculous-firstly why? What do they have to gain from this? Secondly there is no forensic evidence to suggest they killed Maddie, never mind no CV TV of them putting her in the car to bury her.....Do you honestly think when they left their meal and went up to the apartment they looked at each other and said "show time" and were able to run downstairs to who they were dining with and 'act' that well?

2) People call them 'media whores'- this is even more hurtful and deluded, if any of us had a child missing but not found dead we'd grab every second of tv time, and every centimetre of newspaper print to keep them in the public consciousness. (this also contradicts those who say the parents are guilty as surely they'd simply look to fade into the background now?)

3) The very same people who bring out the tired line of "if they were unemployed and living on a council estate they would not get the same coverage" are themselves guilty of the worst kind of reverse snobbery imaginable when they talk about the Mcanns- it reeks of jealousy.


As mentioned before, Im not excusing that they left the girl alone, but lets not forget just how hurtful some of these comments are and ask yourself if you would be so callous as to look Kate and Gerry in the eye and say the same thing.

 

[metalblue]

Mackenzie, i will probably be boring you repeating myself, as i have posted about this before,

My neice, who was also my parents 1st grandchild, died four weeks after her 6th birthday of cancer. I was there, it was awfull. Sitting on the end of her bed, as she lay there, chatting with my brother, the geezer's mind was in another dimension and he knew that the day was coming for almost a year.

It took him a long time to come to terms with the loss, and he is a very strong character, who had faced adversity before. Something doesn't sit right with me, call it intuition, call it just plain mental, but i will stand by the fact that they are guilty as fuck.

Sorry to hear of such a tragedy Glen and I honestly hadn't seen you post of it before (I didn't have Internet access for a few months until recently).
The initial concerns with the mccanns I think was their seeming lack of emotion in the immediate aftermath, but we all react in different ways. In fact I think they did go to pieces but were determined to find her before the trail went cold and so used the media to try and keep it alive. Much as they are still doing. And that is what convinces me they are innocent.

In her book Mrs McCann states that the night before they were out (same sort of thing - dinner) and they had checked on kids, they had noticed the one of the doors to one of the kids rooms not how they had left it and they thought it odd - she then proceeded to say that because of this the following night they checked more regularly.... now to me if I thought it was "odd" enough to check more frequently I think i'd decide to keep the kids with me, it's all comes across as a little too "convienent"

 

[AntonDonJuan]

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[SWP's back]

Sometimes I despair.

1) Everytime I see a Maddie Mcann story I almost fear reading the thread because of the outright hatred and bile that some people have towards them. Yes, they made a mistake, but believe me many parents have been guilty of doing the same for 10 minutes at a time, my mum informed me that they did the same on holiday....I know its not in the parenting manual and they'll live with that mistake for the rest of their lives. To suggest they killed their own child is beyond ridiculous-firstly why? What do they have to gain from this? Secondly there is no forensic evidence to suggest they killed Maddie, never mind no CV TV of them putting her in the car to bury her.....Do you honestly think when they left their meal and went up to the apartment they looked at each other and said "show time" and were able to run downstairs to who they were dining with and 'act' that well?

2) People call them 'media whores'- this is even more hurtful and deluded, if any of us had a child missing but not found dead we'd grab every second of tv time, and every centimetre of newspaper print to keep them in the public consciousness. (this also contradicts those who say the parents are guilty as surely they'd simply look to fade into the background now?)

3) The very same people who bring out the tired line of "if they were unemployed and living on a council estate they would not get the same coverage" are themselves guilty of the worst kind of reverse snobbery imaginable when they talk about the Mcanns- it reeks of jealousy.


As mentioned before, Im not excusing that they left the girl alone, but lets not forget just how hurtful some of these comments are and ask yourself if you would be so callous as to look Kate and Gerry in the eye and say the same thing.

Good stuff. The other moral compass confirms I am thinking along the right lines.

 

[glen quagmire]

Sometimes I despair.

1) Everytime I see a Maddie Mcann story I almost fear reading the thread because of the outright hatred and bile that some people have towards them. Yes, they made a mistake, but believe me many parents have been guilty of doing the same for 10 minutes at a time, my mum informed me that they did the same on holiday....I know its not in the parenting manual and they'll live with that mistake for the rest of their lives. To suggest they killed their own child is beyond ridiculous-firstly why? What do they have to gain from this? Secondly there is no forensic evidence to suggest they killed Maddie, never mind no CV TV of them putting her in the car to bury her.....Do you honestly think when they left their meal and went up to the apartment they looked at each other and said "show time" and were able to run downstairs to who they were dining with and 'act' that well?

2) People call them 'media whores'- this is even more hurtful and deluded, if any of us had a child missing but not found dead we'd grab every second of tv time, and every centimetre of newspaper print to keep them in the public consciousness. (this also contradicts those who say the parents are guilty as surely they'd simply look to fade into the background now?)

3) The very same people who bring out the tired line of "if they were unemployed and living on a council estate they would not get the same coverage" are themselves guilty of the worst kind of reverse snobbery imaginable when they talk about the Mcanns- it reeks of jealousy.


As mentioned before, Im not excusing that they left the girl alone, but lets not forget just how hurtful some of these comments are and ask yourself if you would be so callous as to look Kate and Gerry in the eye and say the same thing.

Brooky, most of your post concerns stuff that i have posted. I believe, they did it, unintentionally i'll agree, but i think they did it. I also stand by the 'reverse snobbery' remark as i also stand by the statement that 'if they were jobless or manual workers' they would be treated differently. Finally, no i wouldn't look them in the eye and tell them they did it, as they have 'lost' a child and that is a punishment in itself.

The first time i've disagreed with you on here!

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Sometimes I despair.

1) Everytime I see a Maddie Mcann story I almost fear reading the thread because of the outright hatred and bile that some people have towards them.

Ah - the famous "Norman Tebbit" gambit. He used to come out with things like "They said it couldn't be done but we did it" when what people actually said was "You can do it but we don't think it's a good idea" and they were often right.

No one is spewing bile and hatred (though with your appearance on the thread that's undoubtedly going to change). We are saying there are a number of recorded facts about the case that we believe demonstrate they were the ones responsible for their daughter's death and covered it up.

Yet another poster who doesn't agree but instead of attacking the argument with logic, attacks the posters putting forward the argument.

 

[mackenzie]

People react in different ways to loss and grief. Witness the fathers of Holly wells and Jessica chapman. I'm pretty sure mr wells would have behaved in a similar way to Gerry McCann.

 

[glen quagmire]

Sometimes I despair.

1) Everytime I see a Maddie Mcann story I almost fear reading the thread because of the outright hatred and bile that some people have towards them.

Ah - the famous "Norman Tebbit" gambit. He used to come out with things like "They said it couldn't be done but we did it" when what people actually said was "You can do it but we don't think it's a good idea" and they were often right.

No one is spewing bile and hatred (though with your appearance on the thread that's undoubtedly going to change). We are saying there are a number of recorded facts about the case that we believe demonstrate they were the ones responsible for their daughter's death and covered it up.

Yet another poster who doesn't agree but instead of attacking the argument with logic, attacks the posters putting forward the argument.

Brooky, i hope that 'attack' isn't the word you thought of when seeing my post!
I like you, that's common knowledge, that's why i don't want to have to offer you out in a PM.

 

[brooklandsblue2.0]

Sometimes I despair.

1) Everytime I see a Maddie Mcann story I almost fear reading the thread because of the outright hatred and bile that some people have towards them.

Ah - the famous "Norman Tebbit" gambit. He used to come out with things like "They said it couldn't be done but we did it" when what people actually said was "You can do it but we don't think it's a good idea" and they were often right.

No one is spewing bile and hatred (though with your appearance on the thread that's undoubtedly going to change). We are saying there are a number of recorded facts about the case that we believe demonstrate they were the ones responsible for their daughter's death and covered it up.

Yet another poster who doesn't agree but instead of attacking the argument with logic, attacks the posters putting forward the argument.

I have not attacked anyone personally here I just think there is nowhere near enough evidence to suggest they were responsible, and I also feel the time scales do not add up if they had done it. Maddie was seen that afternoon alive and well by the pool which means in the five hours (ish) between then and the parents raising the alarm they had killed and disposed (very successfully it seems) of her body. They then calmed themselves down and concocted this story and went for a meal......I just don't buy it.

And to Glen- when any child goes missing regardless of class, wealth or status of the parents there is a massive amount of coverage. Where I do agree with you is that the Mcanns were able to mobilise their own media team to keep Maddies memory alive after the initial circus calmed down. Thats due to the fact they had wealth, contacts and lets face it they're both going to be pretty bright if they're doctors.... is it fair they had this advantage because of their status? Probably not, just like some kids would never have the opportunity to spend a week in Portugal, sadly thats life- and you can't blame the Mccans for trying all they can to get her back.