Madrid away

There was a massive over subscription for Corporate which meant a lot missed out (people that asked for shedloads only got 2 maximum). My point being that sadly means this is prob gonna sell out fairly high if the demand is the same with fans on points
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I'm not aware it's carried forward but when you talk about a "ridiculous agreement", the TC contract meant the club had to subsidise any empty seats on the plane. That cost them hundreds of thousands of pounds. So when season ticket prices go up and people complain that the increase will only bring in a few hundred thousand, think about that "ridiculous agreement".

I don't mind people having an opinion or offering constructive advice but when you have no idea whatsoever about the contracts or the extremely detailed discussions we had trying to find a acceptable solution then I suggest you STFU.
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Why should he as you so charmingly put it Shut the fuck up. You're the one who was advocating genuine fans collect tickets for domestic games to prove themselves, yet for games abroad all fairness goes out of the window, also if you claim it's only 30-50 tickets, then how does that equate to hundreds of thousands of pounds that will force the price of season tickets up, utter nonsense
 
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fathellensbellend said:
Why should he as you so charmingly put it Shut the fuck up. You're the one who was advocating genuine fans collect tickets for domestic games to prove themselves, yet for games abroad all fairness goes out of the window, also if you claim it's only 30-50 tickets, then how does that equate to hundreds of thousands of pounds that will force the price of season tickets up, utter nonsense
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A see prestwich blue is at it again trying to justify corporate and supporters clubs
So as fans on cup scheme are waiting for it to go to there points
Are season ticket Rep finds it ok to let fans that don't qualify to receive tickets through supporters clubs and by buying a plane ticket he is so good to us
 
liamctid said:
5 blocks sold out, out of 13, all the £60 ones. Think it'll go down for a few more days
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I’ve noticed our away tickets tend to be on sale for days if they don’t sell out within the initial sales criteria duration. I think the City Matters changes are helping away games to reach people with mid points (say 10k to 17k).
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I’ve noticed our away tickets tend to be on sale for days if they don’t sell out within the initial sales criteria duration. I think the City Matters changes are helping away games to reach people with mid points (say 10k to 17k).
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Not to reopen old arguments but we had loads of games go to general sale last season, probably had less this year than last year strangely enough.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I’ve noticed our away tickets tend to be on sale for days if they don’t sell out within the initial sales criteria duration. I think the City Matters changes are helping away games to reach people with mid points (say 10k to 17k).
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I think the fact that the league is a dead rubber is the reason games are dropping lower this year than last
 
liamctid said:
Not to reopen old arguments but we had loads of games go to general sale last season, probably had less this year than last year strangely enough.
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These aren't old arguments they are current issues and are still to be resolved.

We can't continue with a points system that discriminates against away fans. It's an absurdity.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I'm not aware it's carried forward but when you talk about a "ridiculous agreement", the TC contract meant the club had to subsidise any empty seats on the plane. That cost them hundreds of thousands of pounds. So when season ticket prices go up and people complain that the increase will only bring in a few hundred thousand, think about that "ridiculous agreement".

I don't mind people having an opinion or offering constructive advice but when you have no idea whatsoever about the contracts or the extremely detailed discussions we had trying to find a acceptable solution then I suggest you STFU.
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Lovely pleasantries from you as ever. For the record I've only ever provided you with constructive criticism, and admittedly there has been a lot of that which you've chosen to disregard, but I've never made it personal towards you. You've generally always responded with vitriol, and never addressed the constructive criticism.

If its costing the club "hundreds of thousands of pounds", and you are insinuating that is effectively the reason all season card holders had to pay an increase, I would have hoped (but sadly not expected) the season card representative would have questioned the contract, and come to the conclusion that the Thomas Cook deal wasn't viable. Thomas Cook made their money from the home game packages and that's what they pay us for, so just take the "Official Away Travel" rights away from them and don't give them to anyone else. If they still want to put a flight on great, if not City aren't out of pocket and no supporters are any worse off.

How much do City have to pay Spike to offer the exact same thing, often slightly cheaper?

20, 30, 50 tickets or more doesn't matter, 1 is bad enough if that means you miss out.
 
pyeman said:
A see prestwich blue is at it again trying to justify corporate and supporters clubs
So as fans on cup scheme are waiting for it to go to there points
Are season ticket Rep finds it ok to let fans that don't qualify to receive tickets through supporters clubs and by buying a plane ticket he is so good to us
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We've been down this road before. You contacted me via City Matters and I explained to you patiently and in great and painstaking detail what the situation was and what my thoughts were. Yet whether you agreed with me or not, you clearly lacked the basic mental ability to comprehend what I was telling you or conduct a reasoned argument.

And anyone looking at the state of that post of yours I hope will sympathise with me.
 
GortonBlue62 said:
These aren't old arguments they are current issues and are still to be resolved.

We can't continue with a points system that discriminates against away fans. It's an absurdity.
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I know - but it's not specific about Madrid away, it's the general point which I very much agree with you on.

I still cannot believe that the club sold us our platinum season tickets without telling us that away games would not get points for games, I know it's only 50 quid over a year but if that's the same next year I'll go for Gold instead, I know a lot of people who feel the same.
 
liamctid said:
I know - but it's not specific about Madrid away, it's the general point which I very much agree with you on.

I still cannot believe that the club sold us our platinum season tickets without telling us that away games would not get points for games, I know it's only 50 quid over a year but if that's the same next year I'll go for Gold instead, I know a lot of people who feel the same.
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If you're right and a significant amount of people go Gold rather than Platinum that could affect the club's thinking. Money talks.

(As you say not the thread for this discussion.)
 
looking forward to this trip, interesting read about the violence of the local plod...best to keep low profile where possible. Take it plaza mayor is still place to go in the day?
 
cptaidan88 said:
Lovely pleasantries from you as ever. For the record I've only ever provided you with constructive criticism, and admittedly there has been a lot of that which you've chosen to disregard, but I've never made it personal towards you. You've generally always responded with vitriol, and never addressed the constructive criticism.

If its costing the club "hundreds of thousands of pounds", and you are insinuating that is effectively the reason all season card holders had to pay an increase, I would have hoped (but sadly not expected) the season card representative would have questioned the contract, and come to the conclusion that the Thomas Cook deal wasn't viable. Thomas Cook made their money from the home game packages and that's what they pay us for, so just take the "Official Away Travel" rights away from them and don't give them to anyone else. If they still want to put a flight on great, if not City aren't out of pocket and no supporters are any worse off.

How much do City have to pay Spike to offer the exact same thing, often slightly cheaper?

20, 30, 50 tickets or more doesn't matter, 1 is bad enough if that means you miss out.
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City don't pay Sport Options anything or vice versa. It's a commercial business. He doesn't get any tickets although he'd love to. If he did, it's pretty obvious to all but the hard of thinking that he'd offer those tickets on a first-come, first-served basis because he'd want to fill the plane. You probably wouldn't even need to be a season card holder, let alone be on the CL scheme. He wouldn't care as long as he sold all the seats. You know that's true.

The situation was that TC gave us money to become our 'Official Travel Partner". In return, they got the right to put on flights to CL away games and packages for home games in the PL. However I know that TC insisted as part of the contract that they would only fly these CL trips for people with tickets, as otherwise people could just use the flights as normal customers. That was part of the contract. We looked at various ways of getting round that but there weren't any. We also had access to data that showed relatively few people got bumped from TC flights because they didn't qualify for a ticket.

The flights are open to season card holders, branch members, club staff and seasonal hospitality members. Most will know when booking the flights that they'll likely get a ticket. Other clubs also had the same problem and most went down the same route of offering a ticket plus flight package. As I said, we talked about this in depth in two occasions and we felt that price was possibly a factor of people using Sport Options over Thomas Cook so we asked the club to go back to TC and see what they could do on price. We also insisted that if the flight + ticket solution went ahead, it was restricted to SC holders on the CL scheme and would only ever apply to one plane. We also recognised the risk of someone missing out but the majority of games simply weren't sell-outs, at least at CL scheme level, so the risk was minimal to zero. The biggest risk was getting a knock-out game at somewhere like Plzen, with a small capacity, but we'd crosscut at bridge if we ever same to it.

Of course it's all moot now anyway so I'm not sure why you even brought it up but your post was typical of the type of posts which suggest there was an easy alternative, we took the path of least resistance or we took a decision without thinking about the impact on fans.
 
liamctid said:
I know - but it's not specific about Madrid away, it's the general point which I very much agree with you on.

I still cannot believe that the club sold us our platinum season tickets without telling us that away games would not get points for games, I know it's only 50 quid over a year but if that's the same next year I'll go for Gold instead, I know a lot of people who feel the same.
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I can't believe they did that either. That's great to hear as the fewer who have it, the less of an excuse the club has to hang on to it. It's one of the worst things we ever did in my view and we're unanimous at City Matters that we want rid of it. If we do implement a rolling points system then it'll have to go anyway.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I can't believe they did that either. That's great to hear as the fewer who have it, the less of an excuse the club has to hang on to it. It's one of the worst things we ever did in my view and we're unanimous at City Matters that we want rid of it. If we do implement a rolling points system then it'll have to go anyway.
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How much does the club gain from Platinum? I'd have thought it was a significant amount.

(BTW was there a CM meeting in December? I couldn't find the notes on the official website.)
 
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