Man notified of burglary via app goes home murders burglar [Liverpool]

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Your property as in the place you live, yes. When you buy a phone, you're not buying a property.

If an intruder ends up in your home and they end up dead as a result of the homeowner actively defending their property, there should not be a murder charge.

That answers both of your hypotheticals and all future ones.

Not really, it makes you a candidate for life imprisonment.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Home invasion is the line for me. Home is a person's physical and mental safehouse and to have that torn apart in extremely traumatic circumstances is enough for me. If someone's robbing your gaff and you neutralise them then to me it's fair enough.

No, I don't think petty theft in a public place warrants that. That should be the domain of the bobbies we don't have.

This wasn't home invasion. The residents weren't inside. There was no threat to the residents.

A home invasion, also called a hot prowl burglary, is a sub-type of burglary (or in some jurisdictions, a separately defined crime) in which an offender unlawfully enters into a building residence while the occupants are inside

Home invasion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Daz-Simp]

Not really, it makes you a candidate for life imprisonment.

Not really, because we're discussing personal perspectives. If you want vulnerable, innocent people to be at risk of death, rape, robbery and violence because they can't defend themselves for fear of a court deeming it "excessive", then that's up to you. I don't.

 

[Daz-Simp]

This wasn't home invasion. The residents weren't inside. There was no threat to the residents.

A home invasion, also called a hot prowl burglary, is a sub-type of burglary (or in some jurisdictions, a separately defined crime) in which an offender unlawfully enters into a building residence while the occupants are inside

Home invasion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Well, burglary then, if we're being that semantic.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Your property as in the place you live, yes. When you buy a phone, you're not buying a property.

If an intruder ends up in your home and they end up dead as a result of the homeowner actively defending their property, there should not be a murder charge.

That answers both of your hypotheticals and all future ones.

Personal property is still property.

When you buy a phone you buy property.

What if you have a party at your house and someone has too much to drink and gets leary and you have a scrap (where there is unlikely to be serious injury to either party). Is it fair to reach for the shotgun just in case?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Not really, because we're discussing personal perspectives. If you want vulnerable, innocent people to be at risk of death, rape, robbery and violence because they can't defend themselves for fear of a court deeming it "excessive", then that's up to you. I don't.

No we’re not. We’re discussing a bloke seeing his house being robbed, driving home, stabbing someone in the eye, leaving, doing a u-turn and slitting their throat.

He wasn’t in danger of death, rape, robbery or violence before he drove home.

 

[Daz-Simp]

Personal property is still property.

When you buy a phone you buy property.

What if you have a party at your house and someone has too much to drink and gets leary and you have a scrap (where there is unlikely to be serious injury to either party). Is it fair to reach for the shotgun just in case?

That's a guest at a party, not a burglary, if we're being semantic.

And a phone is not a property, as I've already defined what a property is in the context of my post.

 

[Daz-Simp]

No we’re not. We’re discussing a bloke seeing his house being robbed, driving home, stabbing someone in the eye, leaving, doing a u-turn and slitting their throat.

He wasn’t in danger of death, rape, robbery or violence before he drove home.

If he was being robbed, he was more than in danger of being robbed because he was actually being robbed...

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

If he was being robbed, he was more than in danger of being robbed because he was actually being robbed...

Robbery includes violence. There was none until he decided to murder the burglar on his return to his house.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Well, burglary then, if we're being that semantic.

We aren't being semantic. Burglary and robbery in a dwelling are criminal offences.

Home invasion is a methodology of someone carrying out those crimes.

If you want words to have wider meanings than they already do, you have to explain this when you use them.