Manchester - A city built by immigrants.

[Metal Biker]

Its fine an dandy prattling on about how Manchester was built by immigrants, but there is a huge difference between a time when the factory doors took all it could get and now, then it was just numbers to lift an carry or basic training to operate a simple machine at best, now you need a f*cking degree to be a dustbin man.

We do not need hordes of uneducated laborers, we have produced plenty of our own under 13 years of a labour education system, each immigrant reducing the chances of our children to get a job, home, Drs appointment, school place or hospital bed, while undermining pay and working conditions fought for by generations.

Are we to import poorly educated people (many with health problems at a time our health service is straining to breaking point ), most with no concept of diversity but instead a blind obedience to a stone age religion that preaches hate based simply on a few pictures that tug at the heart strings ?.

Try looking at the make up of these "poor refugee`s" an its about 98% able bodied males, they can have the same opportunities my forefathers enjoyed, if they dont like the country they live in then fight to change things.

Help and encourage them to put their own country in order by all means, but shut the borders before they drag this country ever downwards.

Do you realise what you've done!?

 

[DruntBlunt]

@OP: Great read Ken.

 

[urmston]

The city of Manchester is one of the poorest places in the country.

Its schools are dreadful by national standards, wages are low, unemployment quite high, so is crime, the health of the people is terrible, life expectancy is low by UK standards and it leads the country in suicides.

If I was trying to convince others of the benefits of immigration I'm not sure I'd use Manchester as an example.

And its probably why not many Syrian refugees will have Manchester anywhere the top of their list of desirable UK destinations.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Some people want to deny or wont acknowledge that Manchester has a rich history and to be a proud Mancunian is indeed something to be proud of. All this thread is showing is that some people think that immigrants are/were and will be more important than the Mancunians that have been,are and will be proud Mancunians. As you say you hear posters banging the drum about their Irish ancestors but forget to mention that you me or any given other person have ancestors going way back to Manchester.
When do 2nd 3rd 4th generation Mancunians start becoming just Mancunians without having to mention their entire DNA when self labelling?

completely agree, i dont understand why, but people seem to want to ignore our english/mancunian history... its alright to say your irish but not to say your english for some reason. Manchester has by in large been created by english people ( moving from lancashire villages in industrial times) immigration has played a part no doubt, but the majority of the population is english and always has been. its only really in the last 100 odd years that immigrants have been coming here in large numbers, i.e. irish, jewish....

manchester has its own culture and own heritage and people should be proud to say they are mancunian or english. it kinda sounds like americans saying they are irish- great grandad x 20 who used to have a friend who was irish. 3d, 4th generation people living in manchester surely are mancunian ?. Like i said ireland was invaded by england plenty of times, no doubt they mixed together, does that mean some irish people really arent irish ?

btw this isn't really a reply to the ops thread, of course we should celebrate it.

 

[BrianW]

I have quite a lot of Mancunian ancestors, but tracing them back they originated from various parts of England and Ireland. I think it would be rare to find a Mancunian with roots here in Manchester much before 1800.

People moved for economic reasons, and they still do. The difference is that nowadays there is no great demand for uneducated, unskilled workers. That's one of the big challenges for the country, as we have a lot of people who would (frankly) do better in the 19th Century doing simple jobs as mill hands, porters and so on.

 

[acquiesce]

Having seen the love/acceptance of Mancunians, I can agree with the sentiment expressed in this thread....but.......

Why don't we just say we are humans and quit distinguishing between nationalities. I know the op has his heart in the right place, but national identity and religion have both caused endless grief.

 

[smudgedj]

My familal name can be traced back for about 1000 years to this area, and etymologically back to pre-Norman times. I am, for all intents and purposes as English as English can be, sharing both a Norman and potentially Angle heritage.

Youre all immigrants on my ancestral home. None of you did anything to build Manchester, it was all me. Fucking immigrants coming over here taking credit for the achievements of us Real Mancs

1000 years meh.

I have the mutant gene C282Y (hereditary haemochromatosis) Genetic studies show that it was spread by the Vikings about 1200-1700 years ago. The 'Viking Hypothesis'

 

[stonerblue]

Very interesting post, however missing a major influx.

No mention of the Argies influx 2008-2015.

Or the Indian/Pakistani wave in the late 60's/70's.
Once thatchers tories had finished carving up manufacturing, the only business investment in my little Northern mill town came from these people.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

The city of Manchester is one of the poorest places in the country.

Its schools are dreadful by national standards, wages are low, unemployment quite high, so is crime, the health of the people is terrible, life expectancy is low by UK standards and it leads the country in suicides.

If I was trying to convince others of the benefits of immigration I'm not sure I'd use Manchester as an example.

And its probably why not many Syrian refugees will have Manchester anywhere the top of their list of desirable UK destinations.

I take it your not in the travel industry.

Yes Manchester has its drawbacks but it's still a great city. I am not talking Urmston, where Pebbledash Man met the Salford overspill!

 

[urmston]

I take it your not in the travel industry.

Yes Manchester has its drawbacks but it's still a great city. I am not talking Urmston, where Pebbledash Man met the Salford overspill!

Over its short history as a city Manchester has been famous more for poverty than affluence.

While it grew fast as the world's first industrial city, mainly due to economic immigration from surrounding towns and other parts of England, the life of most who moved to it was grim.

It has remained a poor city by national standards ever since those days, despite several waves of immigration.

While some places do benefit from immigration, some don't.