Manchester City close on Pellegrini (merged)

[bernabias home shirt]

after 40+ pages of assumptions/opinions or bullshit as it is known, i'm looking forward to seeing Nips answer to this...........no opinions though Nip, only facts please.

Nip thinks wengers an upgrade.

He would be, in my opinion.

I think Mancini will get another season at least providing he has a good relationship with the new management above him. A few arrivals, a few going out and a change in approach to European competition and we should do well. Suspect he'll have been told that if he doesn't change the way he sets his team up in Europe, he's out.

Why is he?

 

[OB1]

Some of you are outright rabid on naming people "inners" and "outers"

I'd have a hard time saying whether Pellegrini is an upgrade on Mancini, I'd have to watch him manage our squad for two seasons to know the answer, which is really why picking a manager is so damned difficult.

Maybe moving on from Mancini to Pellegrini is too risky, but there's a very low likelihood that anyone who has a strong opinion on the matter has really followed a team Pellegrini has coached enough to get a sense for how he would fit in our setup, side, and situation.

If you had asked me about Mancini 4 years ago, you'd have gotten a very different opinion of him from me than you'd get today. And I don't mean a different opinion of him in terms of good/bad (things are not that binary), but in terms of the things he's good at, things I'm not enamored with, etc etc.

If you put a gun to my head, personally, i'd probably lean something like 55/45 toward the idea that Bobby probably isn't the answer. He's probably too one dimensional and unable to create a team that adapts to the different styles a (now)great team like City are going to face, finding a way to win in all those situations. But how the hell can anyone know if the Pellegrini of today can do that? Is the fear of that unknown worth just trying the same thing over again and hoping it is better this time? It's a hell of a decision and one that we're paying a lot of very smart and experienced football men to ponder over. I really don't see why this has to be so vitriolic and silly labels like "inner" and "outer" applied to everyone. In my opinion there's clearly a credible case to be made for sticking with Roberto and there's clearly a credible case to be made for moving on and trying to improve. All we can do as City fans is hope to hell the people in charge get it right.

How eminently sensible.

 

[Davs 19]

Pellegrini

Honours

[edit]Manager
Universidad Católica
Copa Interamericana: 1994
Copa Chile: 1995
LDU Quito
Serie A: 1999
San Lorenzo
Primera División: 2001 Clausura
Copa Mercosur: 2001
River Plate
Primera División: 2003 Clausura
Villarreal
UEFA Intertoto Cup: 2004
Individual
Miguel Muñoz Trophy for the Best Coach of the Year: 2008


Mancini

Managerial honours
Fiorentina
Coppa Italia (1): 2000–01
Lazio
Coppa Italia (1): 2003–04
Internazionale
Serie A (3): 2005–06, 2006–07, 2007–08
Coppa Italia (2): 2004–05, 2005–06
Supercoppa Italiana (2): 2005, 2006
Manchester City
Premier League (1): 2011–12
FA Cup (1): 2010–11
FA Community Shield (1): 2012
[edit]

I'm not sure why anyone could consider Pellegrini an upgrade on Mancini.

 

[Blue Mist]

I have just come back from Manchester Airport and confirm that Pellegrini was not on the Ryan Air flight from Amsterdam.

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

Now that both Dean Saunders and Kenny Jackett are managers without clubs, will we see another forty-odd pages of speculation linking either of them to our club?

Personally I believe that Saunders, having been sacked by Wolves, is almost certainly NOT in the frame, however, the circumstances of Jackett's departure from Millwall look more than a little suspicious to me. We might have tapped him up. I mean, he's taken them to an FA Cup semi-final this year, so he obviously has the motivational skills required to squeeze that extra bit of effort from his players. Think about it people. This could be a real possibility.

Feel free to debate the possibility of this happening; maybe for about ten/thirteen pages; then could some new people please enter the thread and repeat the main points of the previous ten/thirteen pages; and finally if the last ten/thirteen pages could descend into petty name calling that would be great.

Thanks in advance for your time and effort in making this happen.

;)

 

[samharris]

Re: New manager

I got told it by 3 different people. Don't care if you think I'm a WUM

Wasnt Dave,Billy,and Ben was it ??

 

[80s Shorts]

Joe Mercer had the respect of the whole club.

not by those that mattered he didn't.

The players loved and respected him to a man.

Are you going to tell me it's the same with Mancini?

And also, back then our club was run by a bunch of two-bit divs. Now it isn't. There is no comparison. None.

You said the whole club Dismal.

 

[shootmeifipost10k]

Oh dear de niro you really think if we sacked Mancini we would spend 40 years in utter despair because you know, I know, and mr pixie man on the moon knows that you dont really think that.

I'm sure Liverpool despite spending vasts amount of money would have thought they would have won another title over the past 20 years. I'm also sure they wouldn't have seen themselves scrapping it out for 8th spot a few seasons ago despite again spending huge sums of money over that time . It's a funny old game this football

Unfortunately they gave that money to a man that wanted to sell Xabi Alonso for Gareth Barry. The prosecution rests

I can't argue with that one, I knew when Rafa tried to replace steve finnan, who got the player of the year award the year the and who at the time was probably one of the best and most consistent right backs in the league if not and arguably europe. The wise Rafa tried about 5 different players, dropping finnan and then bringing him back into the team when the player he brought to replace him was shite.

For the defence there are few on here who have said Rafa wouldn't be a bad replacement for manacini, I'm sorry if you disagree with that because you outers are tarred with the same brush ;0)

 

[80s Shorts]

@Nipholmes,

Can I get your thoughts on a couple of stats mate if you wouldn't mind.

You say Mancini is a defensive manager yet we scored 93 goals last season, the third highest tally ever in the PL.

We have created more chances this season than last according to Opta.

We play the majority of our games in the opposition's third of the pitch.

Not very defensive is it?

SSShhhh... truth is not allowed.

 

[NipHolmes]

Like many foreign owners it seems like ours is quite interested in European competitions. And, if anything, Mancini is a proven failure in Europe, with us and Inter.

Whereas Pellegrini has a glowing CV.
You have utterly avoided addressing Danny's post by stating the bleeding obvious.
So how is Pellegrini an upgrade on Mancini, exactly?

after 40+ pages of assumptions/opinions or bullshit as it is known, i'm looking forward to seeing Nips answer to this...........no opinions though Nip, only facts please.

I've already stated he isn't an upgrade. He is imo a better fit for us though but that's opinion. In facts you base on C.V and Mancini excels in that department.