Manchester City close on Pellegrini (merged)

[George Hannah]

I'm still utterly baffled by this thread

This man's done nothing. Villareal won nothing. Malaga have won nothing.

At Madrid he did nothing despite spending £28 billion on kaka, benzema etc

And he was the fucking manager when Madrid went crashing out of the cup, taking a big wedge of my money with em, beaten 4-0 by some mug lower league team.

I like stability and continuity so I want Bob to stay but I can understand the arguments in favour of Mourinho or Ancelotti or Klopp or Capello or other SUCCESSFUL managers

Whether you like him or not, the fact is that Bobby wins things - everywhere he's been.

So why swap a proven man with a track record of success for an ageing also ran who doesn't speak fluent English.

I'm very worried about the influence of our Spaniards. I've said it before and I'll say it again - the success of Barca is 80% Messi and 20% the emergence of the Xavi, Iniesta group a decade ago. Txiki and Soriano got lucky, I'm sure they're very capable men but if they have chosen this guy as Bob's successor it smacks of a jobs for the boys situation.

and you're from Santiago!

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I'm still utterly baffled by this thread

This man's done nothing. Villareal won nothing. Malaga have won nothing.

At Madrid he did nothing despite spending £28 billion on kaka, benzema etc

And he was the fucking manager when Madrid went crashing out of the cup, taking a big wedge of my money with em, beaten 4-0 by some mug lower league team.

I like stability and continuity so I want Bob to stay but I can understand the arguments in favour of Mourinho or Ancelotti or Klopp or Capello or other SUCCESSFUL managers

Whether you like him or not, the fact is that Bobby wins things - everywhere he's been.

So why swap a proven man with a track record of success for an ageing also ran who doesn't speak fluent English.

I'm very worried about the influence of our Spaniards. I've said it before and I'll say it again - the success of Barca is 80% Messi and 20% the emergence of the Xavi, Iniesta group a decade ago. Txiki and Soriano got lucky, I'm sure they're very capable men but if they have chosen this guy as Bob's successor it smacks of a jobs for the boys situation.

and you're from Santiago!

Was more of an Acomb Street man, myself.

Anyhow, are you talking about Pellegrini or David Moyes?

United don't seem to have a problem appointing a man who has won less than Pellegrini and (I might be wrong here) dumped Moyes out of the only Champions League fixture he ever participated in?

 

[ws01]

I'm still utterly baffled by this thread

This man's done nothing. Villareal won nothing. Malaga have won nothing.

At Madrid he did nothing despite spending £28 billion on kaka, benzema etc

And he was the fucking manager when Madrid went crashing out of the cup, taking a big wedge of my money with em, beaten 4-0 by some mug lower league team.

I like stability and continuity so I want Bob to stay but I can understand the arguments in favour of Mourinho or Ancelotti or Klopp or Capello or other SUCCESSFUL managers

Whether you like him or not, the fact is that Bobby wins things - everywhere he's been.

So why swap a proven man with a track record of success for an ageing also ran who doesn't speak fluent English.

I'm very worried about the influence of our Spaniards. I've said it before and I'll say it again - the success of Barca is 80% Messi and 20% the emergence of the Xavi, Iniesta group a decade ago. Txiki and Soriano got lucky, I'm sure they're very capable men but if they have chosen this guy as Bob's successor it smacks of a jobs for the boys situation.

Nail on the fucking head.

Some aging bloke who has never won anything of note (and even then last one was a decade ago) versus a bloke with 3 Serie A's, 4 Coppa Italia's, 1 Premier League title, and 1 (fingers crossed 2) FA Cups.

Madness.

 

[George Hannah]

I'm still utterly baffled by this thread
This man's done nothing. Villareal won nothing. Malaga have won nothing.
At Madrid he did nothing despite spending £28 billion on kaka, benzema etc
And he was the fucking manager when Madrid went crashing out of the cup, taking a big wedge of my money with em, beaten 4-0 by some mug lower league team.
I like stability and continuity so I want Bob to stay but I can understand the arguments in favour of Mourinho or Ancelotti or Klopp or Capello or other SUCCESSFUL managers
Whether you like him or not, the fact is that Bobby wins things - everywhere he's been.
So why swap a proven man with a track record of success for an ageing also ran who doesn't speak fluent English.
I'm very worried about the influence of our Spaniards. I've said it before and I'll say it again - the success of Barca is 80% Messi and 20% the emergence of the Xavi, Iniesta group a decade ago. Txiki and Soriano got lucky, I'm sure they're very capable men but if they have chosen this guy as Bob's successor it smacks of a jobs for the boys situation.

Nail on the fucking head.

Some aging bloke who has never won anything of note (and even then last one was a decade ago) versus a bloke with 3 Serie A's, 4 Coppa Italia's, 1 Premier League title, and 1 (fingers crossed 2) FA Cups.

Madness.

the Outers are simply Out of Control

 

[NipHolmes]

He's 6/4 to be our manager at start of September. Just seen odds with skybet.

 

[Deleted member 52846]

I'm still utterly baffled by this thread

This man's done nothing. Villareal won nothing. Malaga have won nothing.

At Madrid he did nothing despite spending £28 billion on kaka, benzema etc

And he was the fucking manager when Madrid went crashing out of the cup, taking a big wedge of my money with em, beaten 4-0 by some mug lower league team.

I like stability and continuity so I want Bob to stay but I can understand the arguments in favour of Mourinho or Ancelotti or Klopp or Capello or other SUCCESSFUL managers

Whether you like him or not, the fact is that Bobby wins things - everywhere he's been.

So why swap a proven man with a track record of success for an ageing also ran who doesn't speak fluent English.

I'm very worried about the influence of our Spaniards. I've said it before and I'll say it again - the success of Barca is 80% Messi and 20% the emergence of the Xavi, Iniesta group a decade ago. Txiki and Soriano got lucky, I'm sure they're very capable men but if they have chosen this guy as Bob's successor it smacks of a jobs for the boys situation.

I agree with you about Pellegrini.

Plus,
I've thought about this before. People have said "now we've got Txiki and Ferran there'll be no stopping us". But Barça had Puyol and Xavi already in the first team when they arrived, already had Iniesta coming through and even had Messi at the club before they even went to Barça.

It was just pure coincidence that they had these fantastic players there at the time they walked through the door behind Juan Laporta.

However they did build what, in my opinion, is the greatest football team ever to play the game:
----------------Valdez----------------
Alvez-----Puyol-----Piqué-----Albiol
-----------------Yaya-----------------
------------Xavi-----Iniesta----------
------Messi-----Eto'o-----Henry-----

So they did a great job of building a fantastic team around the fantastic talent they fortunately had at the club already.

What they also did was fashioned a kind of football that Johan Cruyff and the 1970s Holland and Ajax team played, for this new team of stars. It was nothing new, it was nothing ground breaking, or even difficult to do. It was simple pass and move football. But the marriage of those players and the style was pure excellence.

However at City, we don't have any future stars of the game coming through and we certainly don't had a Messi. We do have a good core to our squad that can be built around though. So with the right players rough in to complement the core of our team further, the right people in place to bring those in, we're not far off being a very special team (I'd say we're just decent at the moment, nowt special yet).

Plus then can we, as a club, get the right people in place for or Academy to finally bring some real taker through? These guys didn't do that at Barça, the talent was already there. What's coming through at the moment at Barça? Some good to average players. Tello looks a class act, Thiago looks a level below that. Other than that?...

We need to get the right people working in the Academy. Hopefully Khaldoon Ferran Txiki etc can find them.

Scouting too needs to improve immensely at City.

All remains to be seen, for me.

 

[rastus]

I'm still utterly baffled by this thread

This man's done nothing. Villareal won nothing. Malaga have won nothing.

At Madrid he did nothing despite spending £28 billion on kaka, benzema etc

And he was the fucking manager when Madrid went crashing out of the cup, taking a big wedge of my money with em, beaten 4-0 by some mug lower league team.

I like stability and continuity so I want Bob to stay but I can understand the arguments in favour of Mourinho or Ancelotti or Klopp or Capello or other SUCCESSFUL managers

Whether you like him or not, the fact is that Bobby wins things - everywhere he's been.

So why swap a proven man with a track record of success for an ageing also ran who doesn't speak fluent English.

I'm very worried about the influence of our Spaniards. I've said it before and I'll say it again - the success of Barca is 80% Messi and 20% the emergence of the Xavi, Iniesta group a decade ago. Txiki and Soriano got lucky, I'm sure they're very capable men but if they have chosen this guy as Bob's successor it smacks of a jobs for the boys situation.

and you're from Santiago!

Was more of an Acomb Street man, myself.

Anyhow, are you talking about Pellegrini or David Moyes?

United don't seem to have a problem appointing a man who has won less than Pellegrini and (I might be wrong here) dumped Moyes out of the only Champions League fixture he ever participated in?

Ahh but old baconface will be in the directors box, pointing out to moysey what he needs to do ;)

 

[BlueDejong]

I'm still utterly baffled by this thread

This man's done nothing. Villareal won nothing. Malaga have won nothing.

At Madrid he did nothing despite spending £28 billion on kaka, benzema etc

And he was the fucking manager when Madrid went crashing out of the cup, taking a big wedge of my money with em, beaten 4-0 by some mug lower league team.

I like stability and continuity so I want Bob to stay but I can understand the arguments in favour of Mourinho or Ancelotti or Klopp or Capello or other SUCCESSFUL managers

Whether you like him or not, the fact is that Bobby wins things - everywhere he's been.

So why swap a proven man with a track record of success for an ageing also ran who doesn't speak fluent English.

I'm very worried about the influence of our Spaniards. I've said it before and I'll say it again - the success of Barca is 80% Messi and 20% the emergence of the Xavi, Iniesta group a decade ago. Txiki and Soriano got lucky, I'm sure they're very capable men but if they have chosen this guy as Bob's successor it smacks of a jobs for the boys situation.

I agree with you about Pellegrini.

Plus,
I've thought about this before. People have said "now we've got Txiki and Ferran there'll be no stopping us". But Barça had Puyol and Xavi already in the first team when they arrived, already had Iniesta coming through and even had Messi at the club before they even went to Barça.

It was just pure coincidence that they had these fantastic players there at the time they walked through the door behind Juan Laporta.

However they did build what, in my opinion, is the greatest football team ever to play the game:
----------------Valdez----------------
Alvez-----Puyol-----Piqué-----Albiol
-----------------Yaya-----------------
------------Xavi-----Iniesta----------
------Messi-----Eto'o-----Henry-----

So they did a great job of building a fantastic team around the fantastic talent they fortunately had at the club already.

What they also did was fashioned a kind of football that Johan Cruyff and the 1970s Holland and Ajax team played, for this new team of stars. It was nothing new, it was nothing ground breaking, or even difficult to do. It was simple pass and move football. But the marriage of those players and the style was pure excellence.

However at City, we don't have any future stars of the game coming through and we certainly don't had a Messi. We do have a good core to our squad that can be built around though. So with the right players rough in to complement the core of our team further, the right people in place to bring those in, we're not far off being a very special team (I'd say we're just decent at the moment, nowt special yet).

Plus then can we, as a club, get the right people in place for or Academy to finally bring some real taker through? These guys didn't do that at Barça, the talent was already there. What's coming through at the moment at Barça? Some good to average players. Tello looks a class act, Thiago looks a level below that. Other than that?...

We need to get the right people working in the Academy. Hopefully Khaldoon Ferran Txiki etc can find them.

Scouting too needs to improve immensely at City.

All remains to be seen, for me.

We already got Suarez & Lopez & Pozo. but Mancini don't use them.

 

[markbmcfc]

I'm not the biggest fan of Mancini's methods but replacing him with Pellegrini is absolute madness.

I thought our days of being a joke in the boardroom were in the past. I seriously hope that continues to be the case. Either replace him with someone better or leave him be.

 

[BobKowalski]

I'm still utterly baffled by this thread

This man's done nothing. Villareal won nothing. Malaga have won nothing.

At Madrid he did nothing despite spending £28 billion on kaka, benzema etc

And he was the fucking manager when Madrid went crashing out of the cup, taking a big wedge of my money with em, beaten 4-0 by some mug lower league team.

I like stability and continuity so I want Bob to stay but I can understand the arguments in favour of Mourinho or Ancelotti or Klopp or Capello or other SUCCESSFUL managers

Whether you like him or not, the fact is that Bobby wins things - everywhere he's been.

So why swap a proven man with a track record of success for an ageing also ran who doesn't speak fluent English.

I'm very worried about the influence of our Spaniards. I've said it before and I'll say it again - the success of Barca is 80% Messi and 20% the emergence of the Xavi, Iniesta group a decade ago. Txiki and Soriano got lucky, I'm sure they're very capable men but if they have chosen this guy as Bob's successor it smacks of a jobs for the boys situation.

and you're from Santiago!

Was more of an Acomb Street man, myself.

Anyhow, are you talking about Pellegrini or David Moyes?

United don't seem to have a problem appointing a man who has won less than Pellegrini and (I might be wrong here) dumped Moyes out of the only Champions League fixture he ever participated in?

Yep and its a gamble. The one thing Moyes brings is that he will do it the 'right' way. He won't woman about 'interference' from above. He won't woman if money is a bit tight. He won't try and control the decision making and he won't challenge anyone internally. The board and Taggart have made the decision and its someone who won't make waves like a Jose or a Rafa or even a Roberto to name but three.

I have never rated Moyes for the one thing that has been a constant throughout his Everton career and that is his ability to bottle it when it matters. The man has got through to one FA Cup final in eleven years and whilst I don't expect him to win the PL one solitary losing FA Cup final appearance is pants. Moyes when it matters goes missing.

Mancini for all his faults has a habit of delivering when it matters which is why in every full season save one and irrespective of whether he has money or not he delivers a trophy. The one season he didn't he got a CL place for a cash strapped Lazio.

Pellegrini with his empty CV and the Spanish media taking the piss during his Madrid tenure when money was spent lavishly is not someone I would want in the trenches when it starts getting shitty. At least the Spanish media had the decency to hate Jose. Hate means you matter. Taking the piss means you simply don't count.

If Mancini is to go and its not going to be a Jose or a Rafa or a Carlo replacing him but a Pellegrini then the reasoning that has driven Moyes potential appointment may be the overriding factor with this potential appointment.

So yes. Its a concern. And no getting 'brave' Malaga to do well against the odds doesn't cut much ice. We are not Malaga. No one gasps in admiration and pats us on the back when we win. City are expected to win. City are expected to win in style. Mancini gets grief if the team falls below an expected standard. If Malaga don't perform people make excuses. City like Chelsea or Madrid do not have the luxury of excuses. A few managers can handle that. Most can't.