Manchester City close on Pellegrini (merged)

[inchy14]

I'm very worried about the influence of our Spaniards. I've said it before and I'll say it again - the success of Barca is 80% Messi and 20% the emergence of the Xavi, Iniesta group a decade ago. Txiki and Soriano got lucky, I'm sure they're very capable men but if they have chosen this guy as Bob's successor it smacks of a jobs for the boys situation.

Do you have a fanboy crush on Mancini ? Why distort the reality when you don't know about it ?

Xavi and Iniesta contributed almost 0% in winning back-to-back La Liga in 2004–05 and in 2005–06 . Marquez was Busquets , Deco and Giuly were Iniesta and Xavi respectively , Eto was David Villa and Ronaldinho played the traditional Forward role. All these players were also the standout performers in their Champions League triumph.

All of these were purchased by Txiki (it was written in the stars), that's why some board members have doubts on Andoni Zubizarreta , and they say ; He's no Txiki.

Rijkaard and Txiki moulded Xavi , Iniesta and Messi , and they later on contributed significantly in Barcelona's success .

I found Suarez , Pozo , Lopes , Rekik , Ntcham , and some other guys extremely talented , and have reservations that they will not be able to fulfill their potentials under Mancini.

IMHO , Pellegrini will be our next manager.

Slow day at work so I'll bite

I'm always suspicious of City fans who PRETEND to know loads about foreign football like yourself, it's a noticable trait of the johnny come lately fan.

04-05, Iniesta played in 37 league games and Xavi (vice captain that year) played in 36

Now what reality were you talking about ?

Plus this isn't Spain,Barcelona wouldn't get no where near the points and goals they've done over there.

In the premier league players need to be tough mentally as well as phsically, thats the reason most Brazilians do well over there but flop here, unlike the Argies.

I hate the ' cold wet night in Stoke' comments but sometimes they're apt, does anyone think Suarez, Lopes, Pozo etc.. are ready to handle the Prem yet?

 

[George Hannah]

Was more of an Acomb Street man, myself.

Anyhow, are you talking about Pellegrini or David Moyes?

United don't seem to have a problem appointing a man who has won less than Pellegrini and (I might be wrong here) dumped Moyes out of the only Champions League fixture he ever participated in?

Yep and its a gamble. The one thing Moyes brings is that he will do it the 'right' way. He won't woman about 'interference' from above. He won't woman if money is a bit tight. He won't try and control the decision making and he won't challenge anyone internally. The board and Taggart have made the decision and its someone who won't make waves like a Jose or a Rafa or even a Roberto to name but three.

I have never rated Moyes for the one thing that has been a constant throughout his Everton career and that is his ability to bottle it when it matters. The man has got through to one FA Cup final in eleven years and whilst I don't expect him to win the PL one solitary losing FA Cup final appearance is pants. Moyes when it matters goes missing.

Mancini for all his faults has a habit of delivering when it matters which is why in every full season save one and irrespective of whether he has money or not he delivers a trophy. The one season he didn't he got a CL place for a cash strapped Lazio.

Pellegrini with his empty CV and the Spanish media taking the piss during his Madrid tenure when money was spent lavishly is not someone I would want in the trenches when it starts getting shitty. At least the Spanish media had the decency to hate Jose. Hate means you matter. Taking the piss means you simply don't count.

If Mancini is to go and its not going to be a Jose or a Rafa or a Carlo replacing him but a Pellegrini then the reasoning that has driven Moyes potential appointment may be the overriding factor with this potential appointment.

So yes. Its a concern. And no getting 'brave' Malaga to do well against the odds doesn't cut much ice. We are not Malaga. No one gasps in admiration and pats us on the back when we win. City are expected to win. City are expected to win in style. Mancini gets grief if the team falls below an expected standard. If Malaga don't perform people make excuses. City like Chelsea or Madrid do not have the luxury of excuses. A few managers can handle that. Most can't.

Good post but the Madrid tenure was successful. He was their for a single season and finished with 96points, how the fuck is that a failure? I mean on what scaled is that seen as failing?

Players signed were done so above him, it divided the dressing room and Pellegrini brought them together and they did brilliantly in the league.

What a crock of shite that Madrid bit is. No way can anyone justify that.

runner-up = failure - ask the Cabal or indeed Mancini himself

 

[sam663]

I'm always suspicious of City fans who PRETEND to know loads about foreign football like yourself, it's a noticable trait of the johnny come lately fan.

04-05, Iniesta played in 37 league games and Xavi (vice captain that year) played in 36

Now what reality were you talking about ?

Playing and contributing are two different things , How many games Welbeck has played this season ? 26 , does that mean he contributed more than Ronney ? Nope .

That's why i used the word " Moulded " . If you Seriously think a 21 year old Iniesta and unfulfilled potential ; Xavi , played major part in their successes in 2004–05 and in 2005–06 , despite the presence of " Legend Giuly " and Deco then i reserve the right to ask ; What grass do you smoke?

 

[sam663]

Slow day at work so I'll bite

I'm always suspicious of City fans who PRETEND to know loads about foreign football like yourself, it's a noticable trait of the johnny come lately fan.

Not interested to provide details regarding myself again.

 

[BobKowalski]

Was more of an Acomb Street man, myself.

Anyhow, are you talking about Pellegrini or David Moyes?

United don't seem to have a problem appointing a man who has won less than Pellegrini and (I might be wrong here) dumped Moyes out of the only Champions League fixture he ever participated in?

Yep and its a gamble. The one thing Moyes brings is that he will do it the 'right' way. He won't woman about 'interference' from above. He won't woman if money is a bit tight. He won't try and control the decision making and he won't challenge anyone internally. The board and Taggart have made the decision and its someone who won't make waves like a Jose or a Rafa or even a Roberto to name but three.

I have never rated Moyes for the one thing that has been a constant throughout his Everton career and that is his ability to bottle it when it matters. The man has got through to one FA Cup final in eleven years and whilst I don't expect him to win the PL one solitary losing FA Cup final appearance is pants. Moyes when it matters goes missing.

Mancini for all his faults has a habit of delivering when it matters which is why in every full season save one and irrespective of whether he has money or not he delivers a trophy. The one season he didn't he got a CL place for a cash strapped Lazio.

Pellegrini with his empty CV and the Spanish media taking the piss during his Madrid tenure when money was spent lavishly is not someone I would want in the trenches when it starts getting shitty. At least the Spanish media had the decency to hate Jose. Hate means you matter. Taking the piss means you simply don't count.

If Mancini is to go and its not going to be a Jose or a Rafa or a Carlo replacing him but a Pellegrini then the reasoning that has driven Moyes potential appointment may be the overriding factor with this potential appointment.

So yes. Its a concern. And no getting 'brave' Malaga to do well against the odds doesn't cut much ice. We are not Malaga. No one gasps in admiration and pats us on the back when we win. City are expected to win. City are expected to win in style. Mancini gets grief if the team falls below an expected standard. If Malaga don't perform people make excuses. City like Chelsea or Madrid do not have the luxury of excuses. A few managers can handle that. Most can't.

Good post but the Madrid tenure was successful. He was their for a single season and finished with 96points, how the fuck is that a failure? I mean on what scaled is that seen as failing?

Players signed were done so above him, it divided the dressing room and Pellegrini brought them together and they did brilliantly in the league.

What a crock of shite that Madrid bit is. No way can anyone justify that.

At Madrid players are always invariably signed (or sold) above the manager. Its the way it is and you know that before you take the job.

Madrid spent nearly £200m that summer on 4 players including Ronaldo and Kaka. They were knocked out to some lower league outfit in the Copa Del Rey and the round of 16 in the CL by Lyon. The Spanish media took the piss for these failures which undermined Pellegrini's authority within the club leading to stories about how the players routinely ignored him. This and the Barca domination lead to Real turning to Jose as it was felt the players would 'respect' him and end Barca's domination. It worked for a time but its all unravelled this season.

But to recap. Spent a fortune. A squad of top players. Finished second to Barca and did poorly (by Madrid standards) in the CL and knocked out by some lower league mob in the cup.

Now imagine we spend £200m in the summer. Finish second in the league. Get knocked out in the FA cup by Southend Utd and get knocked out in the CL before the QF stage by a French team that is not one of the recognised European powerhouses. Mancini is the manager. Rate his performance.

 

[NipHolmes]

Yep and its a gamble. The one thing Moyes brings is that he will do it the 'right' way. He won't woman about 'interference' from above. He won't woman if money is a bit tight. He won't try and control the decision making and he won't challenge anyone internally. The board and Taggart have made the decision and its someone who won't make waves like a Jose or a Rafa or even a Roberto to name but three.

I have never rated Moyes for the one thing that has been a constant throughout his Everton career and that is his ability to bottle it when it matters. The man has got through to one FA Cup final in eleven years and whilst I don't expect him to win the PL one solitary losing FA Cup final appearance is pants. Moyes when it matters goes missing.

Mancini for all his faults has a habit of delivering when it matters which is why in every full season save one and irrespective of whether he has money or not he delivers a trophy. The one season he didn't he got a CL place for a cash strapped Lazio.

Pellegrini with his empty CV and the Spanish media taking the piss during his Madrid tenure when money was spent lavishly is not someone I would want in the trenches when it starts getting shitty. At least the Spanish media had the decency to hate Jose. Hate means you matter. Taking the piss means you simply don't count.

If Mancini is to go and its not going to be a Jose or a Rafa or a Carlo replacing him but a Pellegrini then the reasoning that has driven Moyes potential appointment may be the overriding factor with this potential appointment.

So yes. Its a concern. And no getting 'brave' Malaga to do well against the odds doesn't cut much ice. We are not Malaga. No one gasps in admiration and pats us on the back when we win. City are expected to win. City are expected to win in style. Mancini gets grief if the team falls below an expected standard. If Malaga don't perform people make excuses. City like Chelsea or Madrid do not have the luxury of excuses. A few managers can handle that. Most can't.

Good post but the Madrid tenure was successful. He was their for a single season and finished with 96points, how the fuck is that a failure? I mean on what scaled is that seen as failing?

Players signed were done so above him, it divided the dressing room and Pellegrini brought them together and they did brilliantly in the league.

What a crock of shite that Madrid bit is. No way can anyone justify that.

runner-up = failure - ask the Cabal or indeed Mancini himself

Yet Mancini lovers spout '10 point sis enough to qualify out of a Champions League group normally'.

Well what the hell is 96 points in a league ffs!

We are second now on how many points? Real came second with 96 points, I repeat 96 points.<br /><br />-- Thu May 09, 2013 2:31 pm --<br /><br />

I'm always suspicious of City fans who PRETEND to know loads about foreign football like yourself, it's a noticable trait of the johnny come lately fan.

04-05, Iniesta played in 37 league games and Xavi (vice captain that year) played in 36

Now what reality were you talking about ?

Playing and contributing are two different things , How many games Welbeck has played this season ? 26 , does that mean he contributed more than Ronney ? Nope .

That's why i used the word " Moulded " . If you Seriously think a 21 year old Iniesta and unfulfilled potential ; Xavi , played major part in their successes in 2004–05 and in 2005–06 , despite the presence of " Legend Giuly " and Deco then i reserve the right to ask ; What grass do you smoke?

That's slightly more than 0% though, that's where you made a rod for your back.

 

[The Flash]

Was more of an Acomb Street man, myself.

Anyhow, are you talking about Pellegrini or David Moyes?

United don't seem to have a problem appointing a man who has won less than Pellegrini and (I might be wrong here) dumped Moyes out of the only Champions League fixture he ever participated in?

Yep and its a gamble. The one thing Moyes brings is that he will do it the 'right' way. He won't woman about 'interference' from above. He won't woman if money is a bit tight. He won't try and control the decision making and he won't challenge anyone internally. The board and Taggart have made the decision and its someone who won't make waves like a Jose or a Rafa or even a Roberto to name but three.

I have never rated Moyes for the one thing that has been a constant throughout his Everton career and that is his ability to bottle it when it matters. The man has got through to one FA Cup final in eleven years and whilst I don't expect him to win the PL one solitary losing FA Cup final appearance is pants. Moyes when it matters goes missing.

Mancini for all his faults has a habit of delivering when it matters which is why in every full season save one and irrespective of whether he has money or not he delivers a trophy. The one season he didn't he got a CL place for a cash strapped Lazio.

Pellegrini with his empty CV and the Spanish media taking the piss during his Madrid tenure when money was spent lavishly is not someone I would want in the trenches when it starts getting shitty. At least the Spanish media had the decency to hate Jose. Hate means you matter. Taking the piss means you simply don't count.

If Mancini is to go and its not going to be a Jose or a Rafa or a Carlo replacing him but a Pellegrini then the reasoning that has driven Moyes potential appointment may be the overriding factor with this potential appointment.

So yes. Its a concern. And no getting 'brave' Malaga to do well against the odds doesn't cut much ice. We are not Malaga. No one gasps in admiration and pats us on the back when we win. City are expected to win. City are expected to win in style. Mancini gets grief if the team falls below an expected standard. If Malaga don't perform people make excuses. City like Chelsea or Madrid do not have the luxury of excuses. A few managers can handle that. Most can't.

Good post but the Madrid tenure was successful. He was their for a single season and finished with 96points, how the fuck is that a failure? I mean on what scaled is that seen as failing?

Players signed were done so above him, it divided the dressing room and Pellegrini brought them together and they did brilliantly in the league.

What a crock of shite that Madrid bit is. No way can anyone justify that.

Nip, you're the one 'outer' I actually like becuase you contribute to the forum as a whole rather than hiding in Mancini hating threads that suit the delusionist's agenda.

But Pellegrini, has nothing, absolutely nothing on his CV. There is no comparison between he and Mancini. He had one season at Madrid. And came second. The Madrid press couldn't even be arsed slating him. They just took the piss. Why did he accept the Malaga job?

Because that was all that was on offer.

He is Spanish football's equivalent Harry Redknapp or Mark Hughes (QPR aside), he gets the best out of average players at average clubs, when he's been given the bigger role, he doesn't deliver what's required from those clubs.

Yet Mancini delivers year after year and you would sooner have Pellegrini in charge at the start of next season? It is beyond the realms of rational, bud.

 

[Phil1]

Was more of an Acomb Street man, myself.

Anyhow, are you talking about Pellegrini or David Moyes?

United don't seem to have a problem appointing a man who has won less than Pellegrini and (I might be wrong here) dumped Moyes out of the only Champions League fixture he ever participated in?

Yep and its a gamble. The one thing Moyes brings is that he will do it the 'right' way. He won't woman about 'interference' from above. He won't woman if money is a bit tight. He won't try and control the decision making and he won't challenge anyone internally. The board and Taggart have made the decision and its someone who won't make waves like a Jose or a Rafa or even a Roberto to name but three.

I have never rated Moyes for the one thing that has been a constant throughout his Everton career and that is his ability to bottle it when it matters. The man has got through to one FA Cup final in eleven years and whilst I don't expect him to win the PL one solitary losing FA Cup final appearance is pants. Moyes when it matters goes missing.

Mancini for all his faults has a habit of delivering when it matters which is why in every full season save one and irrespective of whether he has money or not he delivers a trophy. The one season he didn't he got a CL place for a cash strapped Lazio.

Pellegrini with his empty CV and the Spanish media taking the piss during his Madrid tenure when money was spent lavishly is not someone I would want in the trenches when it starts getting shitty. At least the Spanish media had the decency to hate Jose. Hate means you matter. Taking the piss means you simply don't count.

If Mancini is to go and its not going to be a Jose or a Rafa or a Carlo replacing him but a Pellegrini then the reasoning that has driven Moyes potential appointment may be the overriding factor with this potential appointment.

So yes. Its a concern. And no getting 'brave' Malaga to do well against the odds doesn't cut much ice. We are not Malaga. No one gasps in admiration and pats us on the back when we win. City are expected to win. City are expected to win in style. Mancini gets grief if the team falls below an expected standard. If Malaga don't perform people make excuses. City like Chelsea or Madrid do not have the luxury of excuses. A few managers can handle that. Most can't.

Good post but the Madrid tenure was successful. He was their for a single season and finished with 96points, how the fuck is that a failure? I mean on what scaled is that seen as failing?

Players signed were done so above him, it divided the dressing room and Pellegrini brought them together and they did brilliantly in the league.

What a crock of shite that Madrid bit is. No way can anyone justify that.

-- Thu May 09, 2013 2:09 pm --

City fans are fast becoming the self-flagellation specialists of the footballing world.

I liked it far more when we were self-deprecating.

Blame Aguerooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

The axe would have fell if not for him and also the expectation would be less.

Wait what now? Blame Aguero for the single greatest moment of my life (bar son being born) because some fans have turned into what we've always hated? No thanks, I'll carry on reliving that day for the rest of my life and supporting the team and manager that made it possible.
As for Pellegrini being a success at Madrid, he wasn't - you can look at it at any way you want and give some credit for a great points total, but the end result was a bare trophy cupboard after a substantial investment which if you hadn't noticed is less than what Mancini is being labelled a failure by some on here.
It would be a ludicrous decision to bring Pellegrini into our club at the expense of Mancini. It makes no sense whatsoever unless Mancini walks, then I could understand him being considered, but for us to make the decision, nah, not for me mate.

 

[NipHolmes]

Yep and its a gamble. The one thing Moyes brings is that he will do it the 'right' way. He won't woman about 'interference' from above. He won't woman if money is a bit tight. He won't try and control the decision making and he won't challenge anyone internally. The board and Taggart have made the decision and its someone who won't make waves like a Jose or a Rafa or even a Roberto to name but three.

I have never rated Moyes for the one thing that has been a constant throughout his Everton career and that is his ability to bottle it when it matters. The man has got through to one FA Cup final in eleven years and whilst I don't expect him to win the PL one solitary losing FA Cup final appearance is pants. Moyes when it matters goes missing.

Mancini for all his faults has a habit of delivering when it matters which is why in every full season save one and irrespective of whether he has money or not he delivers a trophy. The one season he didn't he got a CL place for a cash strapped Lazio.

Pellegrini with his empty CV and the Spanish media taking the piss during his Madrid tenure when money was spent lavishly is not someone I would want in the trenches when it starts getting shitty. At least the Spanish media had the decency to hate Jose. Hate means you matter. Taking the piss means you simply don't count.

If Mancini is to go and its not going to be a Jose or a Rafa or a Carlo replacing him but a Pellegrini then the reasoning that has driven Moyes potential appointment may be the overriding factor with this potential appointment.

So yes. Its a concern. And no getting 'brave' Malaga to do well against the odds doesn't cut much ice. We are not Malaga. No one gasps in admiration and pats us on the back when we win. City are expected to win. City are expected to win in style. Mancini gets grief if the team falls below an expected standard. If Malaga don't perform people make excuses. City like Chelsea or Madrid do not have the luxury of excuses. A few managers can handle that. Most can't.

Good post but the Madrid tenure was successful. He was their for a single season and finished with 96points, how the fuck is that a failure? I mean on what scaled is that seen as failing?

Players signed were done so above him, it divided the dressing room and Pellegrini brought them together and they did brilliantly in the league.

What a crock of shite that Madrid bit is. No way can anyone justify that.

At Madrid players are always invariably signed (or sold) above the manager. Its the way it is and you know that before you take the job.

Madrid spent nearly £200m that summer on 4 players including Ronaldo and Kaka. They were knocked out to some lower league outfit in the Copa Del Rey and the round of 16 in the CL by Lyon. The Spanish media took the piss for these failures which undermined Pellegrini's authority within the club leading to stories about how the players routinely ignored him. This and the Barca domination lead to Real turning to Jose as it was felt the players would 'respect' him and end Barca's domination. It worked for a time but its all unravelled this season.

But to recap. Spent a fortune. A squad of top players. Finished second to Barca and did poorly (by Madrid standards) in the CL and knocked out by some lower league mob in the cup.

Now imagine we spend £200m in the summer. Finish second in the league. Get knocked out in the FA cup by Southend Utd and get knocked out in the CL before the QF stage by a French team that is not one of the recognised European powerhouses. Mancini is the manager. Rate his performance.

There's a difference between a manager coming in and having 200m spent rather than a manager who's here for 3 years and then spends 200m.

He had a single season there, the players were bought anyway regardless of who's manager. Two seasons he should've been afforded but fair dues to Madrid they went for the better manager. Pellegrini had a squad and new players, he had little time to implement changes yet still got out of CL group and still finished league on 96 points. Bob you can be critical, no problems but Jesus read that again, 96 points!

He 'failed' yet had one season there and ANY OTHER SEASON PRIOR would've won the league.

UI get you not wanting him over Mancini, no problems, but come off it. Pellegrini did a good job in the league, a great job in fact.

 

[sam663]

That's slightly more than 0% though, that's where you made a rod for your back.

I may have had understated , but it was no way near the contribution that Txiki's signings made.