Manchester City vs Liverpool pre-match thread

[Scouse_Jimi]

I'm pretty sure they would. Why wouldn't they?!

There's absolutely no doubt they would, after the blatant lies of the police force in question had been outed of course.

 

[deano ou812]

Hillsborough was a brutal travesty of justice lets hope eventually certain people will be held accountable( although very unlikely) but i hope i dont get banned for this but if a similar event had tragically happened to manchester city do you reckon the press would be as sympathetic....

I'm pretty sure they would. Why wouldn't they?!

Because of the AGENDA. Pfft, part timer.

Haha yes get with the pro agenda faction ;-)

 

[goalmole]

Re: Liverpool Thread 2013/14 (continued)

25 years have passed without justice. How can people move on? They lost heir loved ones who were falsely accused.

Who are you to say they should "move on"? If it had been your Dad, Mum, brother, sister, friend, girlfriend/boyfriend, cousin, or any other relative could you ever move on?

It could have been us if we'd had a better side (we were trying to get promoted from Division 2 at the time). Think about it.

On 15th April 1989, we were watching City getting tonked at Blackburn and it was half time when when I switched on my tranny and heard the news that there had been deaths. We can never forget that tragedy.

I am so proud of our club and 99.99% of our fans. After a request from some City fans, MCFC has commissioned a banner which will be taken to Anfield and held aloft by City fans, paying our respects to the victims of Hillsborough. City have also taken out a full page ad in the match programme with “YNWA” and both club badges. Mike Summerbee and Joe Corrigan will hand over 96 blue and red roses to Kenny Dalglish and Ian Rush.

It is a source of national disgrace that justice has not been done for the Hillsborough Disaster. That 25 years have passed and justice still has not been done deepens that disgrace.

The victims were falsely blamed for the tragedy by South Yorkshire Police and Margaret Thatcher's government.
Their reputations were besmirched by the Police and Thatcher's govt who repeatedly told lies about them and what went on.

South Yorkshire Police amended Police officers' accounts of the Disaster, and bullied other officers into changing their accounts.

Vital evidence which could have made the truth public was covered up or destroyed by the Police and Thatcher's government.

Alcohol blood tests were taken of children who died at Hillsborough. Yes children were blood tested for alcohol to try to perpetuate the lie that drunken fans caused the disaster.

It was gross negligence and incompetence that caused the disaster.

Liverpool fans were falsely accused of breaking down the doors to the stadium when those gates were opened on the instruction of the South Yorkshire Police Match Commander.

Despite requests from Liverpool, The FA and S Yorks Police put Liverpool fans in the fateful smaller Leppings Lane end of Hillsborough. There had been crushing in the Leppings Lane End in 1981.

Hillsborough Stadium did not have an up to date safety certificate yet Sheffield City Council failed to close it.

The FA chose an unfit, unsafe stadium for one of the biggest matches of the season.

S Yorks Police (investigated rather conveniently in the aftermath by the equally corrupt West Midlands Police) told a tissue of lies.

The Emergency services were slow to respond to tend to the dying and injured.

The original Hillsborough coroner wrongly recorded a verdict of "accidental death", and deemed an erroneous cut off point when victims had no chance of survival - it has since been discovered that some of those people could have been saved.

Some people in Britain self righteously talk about the "British sense of fair play". What fair play? It's always been a myth (eg slavery, invading and looting other people's countries). Where is the fair play for the victims of Hillsborough and their families?

We stand together with them in dearly hoping these families find justice and that those who are responsible are prosecuted. Those have waited for far too long - 25 years - for justice.

JUSTICE FOR THE 96.

Yeah it's all Margaret Thatcher's fault???!! Give it a rest with political horseshit FFS.

Some people like to hitchhike on the grief of others ! If you are one of 'the families' then grieve. If you're not, then remember with respect. But please don't try to claim some sort of moral high ground with the over emotional nonsense

It's all mawkish bandwagon jumping with everybody being steamrollered into expressing faux grief over deaths of people nobody outside of friends and relatives knows. As to the statement that "we can never forget that tragedy", why? Why is the Hillsborough tragedy so much worse than Heysel, the Bradford fire,7/11, Aberfan, the Ibrox Disaster,the list could go on and on and on.
The truth is that every loss of life is a tragedy and worthy of our sympathy, but to say that one set of deaths must never be forgotten when many already have been, devalues all these other deaths and smacks of Lady Diana syndrome.

 

[TCIB]

We generally keep Suarez quiet which we will need to do and it would be nice if Gerrard has a bad passing day.
Sergio seemingly comes back from injury ready to go so that will be a big plus for us if he is sharp, indeed if he even plays.

I could speculate all day, i guess what i am saying is i am very keen to see the starting lineups and setups.
Usually i am not one for biting at the bit for selection but this is the seasons biggest match no doubt so i admit to a fair bit of nerves :D

 

[deano ou812]

Every back page bar the guardian (neutral) is some Liverpool based wet eye story about "glory" and the "spirit of Hillsborough drives us on every day" and so on in a sickening fashion.
Do not get me wrong it was a terrible tragedy, terrible, but this emotional manipulation using that horrible tragedy i find is in bad taste.

I am sure you do think of that terrible tragedy often Brendon but don't use the Hillsborough disaster as a vehicle to gain cheap points.
You have a burning desire for success and are well payed and the same goes for the players, this is what drives you on bud and there is nowt wrong with it so cut that shite out.

Beyond that little gripe it is basically all a Liverpool love in and we are the bad wolf/enemy/scourge of football and so on in that manor.

Meh, back to my specific news outlets i go.

Hillsborough was a brutal travesty of justice lets hope eventually certain people will be held accountable( although very unlikely) but i hope i dont get banned for this but if a similar event had tragically happened to manchester city do you reckon the press would be as sympathetic....

I'm pretty sure they would. Why wouldn't they?!

Your not gonna ban me are you ?

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

In fairness to Scouse Jimi, I suppose the distinction between Hillsborough and Heysel is that the families of those bereaved in the latter did get some modicum of justice.

14 of the 26 Liverpool supporters who stood trial were found guilty of involuntary manslaughter and given a three-year prison sentence, suspended for 18 months, and each ended up serving about a year in total in behind bars. The remaining ten defendants were acquitted of manslaughter, but some had their £2,000 bail money confiscated, having been absent for part of the trial.

I do find the "96 in the sky cheering us on" stuff really uncomfortable and ghoolish tho.

But I didn't lose a loved one/friend/family member, so maybe I would have a different perspective if I did

 

[Ric]

Hillsborough was a brutal travesty of justice lets hope eventually certain people will be held accountable( although very unlikely) but i hope i dont get banned for this but if a similar event had tragically happened to manchester city do you reckon the press would be as sympathetic....

I'm pretty sure they would. Why wouldn't they?!

Your not gonna ban me are you ?

Of course not, just seemed a random and irrelevant point to make.

 

[goalmole]

Defo for stuff like that bud, they would have to have a serious axe to grind with us to act in any other manor.
I feel it should be left out of pre match talk and such though as it a very crass and uncouth.

Agreed - history means nothing and that's coming from a Liverpool fan ;-)

Fucking travesty in all these disasters and, in the case of Heysel, it's the behaviour of a few that affect so many.

-- Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:31 am --

You see, now I'm actually annoyed here.

I didn't mock a football disaster, I made reference to a hooligan incident by Liverpool fans when a Liverpool fan jokingly made references to themselves as a hooligan.

Reference and disrespect are absolutely not the same thing. Secondly, what exactly could I do to disrespect Liverpool fans about Heysel. You killed people. It's that's simple. This is something that you have to live with whether it feeds into your idea of what your club is or not.

I didn't mock the dead, I satirised the murderers. That's the difference.

Maybe if you didn't want to be remind of Liverpool's hooligan past you shouldn't have attempted to humorously imitate a Liverpool fan hooligan?

And this is exactly the problem with Liverpool as a fanbase. Even a mention of Heysel is "disrespectful to the dead" but consistently ignoring them in favour of your own disaster with Hillsborough and showing the massive difference in effort in determining the truth of these two events is perfectly fine and respectful. As long as you have some sort of banner next time you met Juve, then it's ok and you can pat yourselves on the back whilst screaming outrage.

You're not on RAWK anymore. You've confused referencing with disrespecting, probably because this is the first time you've had this conversation as Heysel is essentially a topic for Liverpool apologists to bust out the poetry on your forums.

Yeh cos City have no hooligan past.....

All football clubs do, it's a relic mostly (thankfully) using it as a weapon against opposition supporters is a bit lame, so don't try come all holier than thou and knock it on the head?

If you hadn't been such as arrogant so and so about everything else this week, as have your fellow supporters and milking your own tragedy to gain public sympathy and support to back your side in a truly tragic and self-serving fashion just like the rags we wouldn't retaliate with a few hard-hitting truths.

Remember your 135.

I remember a banner at the time saying "Liverpool 39 Juventus 0.
The scousers are arrogant fuckers with selective memories.

 

[deano ou812]

We generally keep Suarez quiet which we will need to do and it would be nice if Gerrard has a bad passing day.
Sergio seemingly comes back from injury ready to go so that will be a big plus for us if he is sharp, indeed if he even plays.

I could speculate all day, i guess what i am saying is i am very keen to see the starting lineups and setups.
Usually i am not one for biting at the bit for selection but this is the seasons biggest match no doubt so i admit to a fair bit of nerves :D

Just a shame sergio didn't have a run out say last week for 20. Mins just to give him a bit of game time before this match,having said that he's the type of player to smash a couple in here's hoping....

 

[Scouse_Jimi]

We generally keep Suarez quiet which we will need to do and it would be nice if Gerrard has a bad passing day.
Sergio seemingly comes back from injury ready to go so that will be a big plus for us if he is sharp, indeed if he even plays.

I could speculate all day, i guess what i am saying is i am very keen to see the starting lineups and setups.
Usually i am not one for biting at the bit for selection but this is the seasons biggest match no doubt so i admit to a fair bit of nerves :D

Just a shame sergio didn't have a run out say last week for 20. Mins just to give him a bit of game time before this match,having said that he's the type of player to smash a couple in here's hoping....

You think Pellegrini will start him?