Keith Moon said:tolmie's hairdoo said:Shaelumstash said:What an absolute load of bollocks.
If Vicky Kloss' job is "Director of communication" then she is responsible for the clubs dealings with the press. It is her direct responsibility to manage the press and what is written about us, in the best interests of the club.
It was without doubt in the best interests of the club for these reports of Mancini's sacking to be squashed before the cup final, to allow everyone to focus fully on the job at hand - winning the trophy.
She decided to remain silent, and has left the manager as a dead man walking. It has had a huge affect on the mood of Mancini himself, his staff, the players, and the fans.
Even if she know he's getting sacked, it would have been very easy to come out with a press release on the morning of the game saying "Roberto Mancini remains the manager of Manchester City, and reports that he has been sacked are entirely false. Roberto and the club are completely focused on winning our 3rd major trophy under his stewardship." No lying there.
Slergie told the pres last week he "Wouldn't be walking away in the forseeable future" only to announce his retirement 3 days later. The press haven't mentioned it, because who gives a fuck. He did what was best for the club - keeping them focused on winning football matches. Fuck it if the press feel aggrieved.
And regards to it being "all a bit rushed, they didn't have time on cup final morning" well I'm afraid that's the nature of PR in 2013. With 24 hour news and social media, you have to react on a minute by minute basis now. I knew about these reports the night before the game, and even started a thread saying they should come out first thing in the morning with a press release. Fuck all happened and the rest is history.
She's come from working for the police, got the job at City under an old regime, "because no one else was doing it". She's completely out of her depth. The way the press report about this club is appalling, and she's responsible for managing that. We need someone with experience of working for a big multinational, she's not good enough.
I don't need any instruction on it thanks!
In fact, the only bollocks seems to be from you.
You clearly know nothing about Vicky Kloss that's for sure.
You make her sound like a bobby pounding the beat!
She is more than qualified and like I state, she is not a press officer.
She is responsible for corporate communications and has been fast-tracked up the ladder by Abu Dhabi, as a result of her work.
Kloss is not the go to person these days for the press.
The thing is that a press officer in Italy would have protected Mancini all the way to San José. Even if they knew he would be sacked they would deny this until the second they sent out the "thank you and goodbye" PM.
BillyShears said:blueinsa said:No talks with Pellegrini is absolute bollox.
Deals for players and managers are negotiated and finalised months in advance.
Contracts and rules dictate a stance of we havnt spoke and no deal discussed but we all no thats just not the reality.
The details of this deal will be announced when everyone is good and ready to announce it, simple and until that time, expect all parties to act plain dumb!
I'm not sure it's that cut and dried. I suspect that although there's an informal agreement in place between City and MP, there's no signed contract ergo if Barcelona really do want him, and he really does want to go there, we might have a problem.
If that does happen, whoever is behind MP on our shortlist (my guess De Boer) - will have already agreed unconditionally to take the job if it was offered.
Here is our main problem with Mancini.oppa gangnam style said:Kind of unacceptable that with star players like Silva, Nasri, Tevez, Dzeko, Agüero and Yaya we scored less goals than Arsenal or Tottenham.
They have Walcott and Giroud and Adebayor and Defoe. Still we cannot score lot more goals this season. Unacceptable.
OB1 said:BillyShears said:blueinsa said:No talks with Pellegrini is absolute bollox.
Deals for players and managers are negotiated and finalised months in advance.
Contracts and rules dictate a stance of we havnt spoke and no deal discussed but we all no thats just not the reality.
The details of this deal will be announced when everyone is good and ready to announce it, simple and until that time, expect all parties to act plain dumb!
I'm not sure it's that cut and dried. I suspect that although there's an informal agreement in place between City and MP, there's no signed contract ergo if Barcelona really do want him, and he really does want to go there, we might have a problem.
If that does happen, whoever is behind MP on our shortlist (my guess De Boer) - will have already agreed unconditionally to take the job if it was offered.
I hope you are right that de Boer is next in line but I fear it could be Rafa.
tolmie's hairdoo said:rickmcfc said:tolmie's hairdoo said:I don't need any instruction on it thanks!
In fact, the only bollocks seems to be from you.
You clearly know nothing about Vicky Kloss that's for sure.
You make her sound like a bobby pounding the beat!
She is more than qualified and like I state, she is not a press officer.
She is responsible for corporate communications and has been fast-tracked up the ladder by Abu Dhabi, as a result of her work.
Kloss is not the go to person these days for the press.
Why not stick you neck on the line and tell us what has actually happened and who is coming in. Is it Pellegrini 100% because the reports from him today are pretty adamant he has no deal with City.
What difference would that make, really mate?
I've stated for months Mancini was out at the end of the season and also stated my reasons why I believed Pellegrini would be our next manager.
People choose to rightly believe what they want.
Pellegrini is the only candidate on the radar and there would have to be some very unwelcome twists in the script to change things now.
OB1 said:BillyShears said:blueinsa said:No talks with Pellegrini is absolute bollox.
Deals for players and managers are negotiated and finalised months in advance.
Contracts and rules dictate a stance of we havnt spoke and no deal discussed but we all no thats just not the reality.
The details of this deal will be announced when everyone is good and ready to announce it, simple and until that time, expect all parties to act plain dumb!
I'm not sure it's that cut and dried. I suspect that although there's an informal agreement in place between City and MP, there's no signed contract ergo if Barcelona really do want him, and he really does want to go there, we might have a problem.
If that does happen, whoever is behind MP on our shortlist (my guess De Boer) - will have already agreed unconditionally to take the job if it was offered.
I hope you are right that de Boer is next in line but I fear it could be Rafa.
What bollocks am I talking? I know she is not the press officer. I assume the press officer reports to her, so she is still ultimately responsible. Mancini seems to think she had the authority to come out and defend him, but seemingly you know better than him? Strange. Maybe you can find an 80s pop Youtube video to explain how that works?tolmie's hairdoo said:Shaelumstash said:tolmie's hairdoo said:Try and put yourself in Vicky Kloss' stiletto's for a second.
Firstly, the initial leak does not come out if City, they are playing catch-up in the team hotel on the morning of a Cup Final.
In addition, are we then expected to lie to the wider media, the fans and Mancini, by making a rod for our own backs prior to kick off, knowing it will come back to haunt us?
Mancini has been a dead man walking for months, but I'm certain the club wanted to conclude it in the right manner at the end of the season.
Kloss walks in to Mancini already holding court in a small ante room.
How embarrassed would you feel to be then brought into the equation.
Subsequently, why would you then even want to go out on a limb for someone who publicly called you a cnut?
It comes to something when the journos present felt the need to step in and defend the person who is supposed to keep them in check.
There have been many times this season when Mancini goes off message and it turns into a bigger story that it should have been.
His Monaco revelations, United being luckyk, Nkkasri/wanting to punch him.
You can't interject when he is the instigator, you only undermine him by pulling him up.
The job is to pull up journos not the manager.
What an absolute load of bollocks.
If Vicky Kloss' job is "Director of communication" then she is responsible for the clubs dealings with the press. It is her direct responsibility to manage the press and what is written about us, in the best interests of the club.
It was without doubt in the best interests of the club for these reports of Mancini's sacking to be squashed before the cup final, to allow everyone to focus fully on the job at hand - winning the trophy.
She decided to remain silent, and has left the manager as a dead man walking. It has had a huge affect on the mood of Mancini himself, his staff, the players, and the fans.
Even if she know he's getting sacked, it would have been very easy to come out with a press release on the morning of the game saying "Roberto Mancini remains the manager of Manchester City, and reports that he has been sacked are entirely false. Roberto and the club are completely focused on winning our 3rd major trophy under his stewardship." No lying there.
Slergie told the pres last week he "Wouldn't be walking away in the forseeable future" only to announce his retirement 3 days later. The press haven't mentioned it, because who gives a fuck. He did what was best for the club - keeping them focused on winning football matches. Fuck it if the press feel aggrieved.
And regards to it being "all a bit rushed, they didn't have time on cup final morning" well I'm afraid that's the nature of PR in 2013. With 24 hour news and social media, you have to react on a minute by minute basis now. I knew about these reports the night before the game, and even started a thread saying they should come out first thing in the morning with a press release. Fuck all happened and the rest is history.
She's come from working for the police, got the job at City under an old regime, "because no one else was doing it". She's completely out of her depth. The way the press report about this club is appalling, and she's responsible for managing that. We need someone with experience of working for a big multinational, she's not good enough.
I don't need any instruction on it thanks!
In fact, the only bollocks seems to be from you.
You clearly know nothing about Vicky Kloss that's for sure.
You make her sound like a bobby pounding the beat!
She is more than qualified and like I state, she is not a press officer.
She is responsible for corporate communications and has been fast-tracked up the ladder by Abu Dhabi, as a result of her work.
Kloss is not the go to person these days for the press.
I thought De Boer would be the first choice... young, talented, Barca boy and wants to be here.OB1 said:I hope you are right that de Boer is next in line but I fear it could be Rafa.
bumbleblue said:Dunno if this is relevant but i have just had a text saying Paul Power, Jim cassell and Adam Sadler (coach u 18s) have all gone today? anyone?
Shaelumstash said:What bollocks am I talking? I know she is not the press officer. I assume the press officer reports to her, so she is still ultimately responsible. Mancini seems to think she had the authority to come out and defend him, but seemingly you know better than him? Strange. Maybe you can find an 80s pop Youtube video to explain how that works?tolmie's hairdoo said:Shaelumstash said:What an absolute load of bollocks.
If Vicky Kloss' job is "Director of communication" then she is responsible for the clubs dealings with the press. It is her direct responsibility to manage the press and what is written about us, in the best interests of the club.
It was without doubt in the best interests of the club for these reports of Mancini's sacking to be squashed before the cup final, to allow everyone to focus fully on the job at hand - winning the trophy.
She decided to remain silent, and has left the manager as a dead man walking. It has had a huge affect on the mood of Mancini himself, his staff, the players, and the fans.
Even if she know he's getting sacked, it would have been very easy to come out with a press release on the morning of the game saying "Roberto Mancini remains the manager of Manchester City, and reports that he has been sacked are entirely false. Roberto and the club are completely focused on winning our 3rd major trophy under his stewardship." No lying there.
Slergie told the pres last week he "Wouldn't be walking away in the forseeable future" only to announce his retirement 3 days later. The press haven't mentioned it, because who gives a fuck. He did what was best for the club - keeping them focused on winning football matches. Fuck it if the press feel aggrieved.
And regards to it being "all a bit rushed, they didn't have time on cup final morning" well I'm afraid that's the nature of PR in 2013. With 24 hour news and social media, you have to react on a minute by minute basis now. I knew about these reports the night before the game, and even started a thread saying they should come out first thing in the morning with a press release. Fuck all happened and the rest is history.
She's come from working for the police, got the job at City under an old regime, "because no one else was doing it". She's completely out of her depth. The way the press report about this club is appalling, and she's responsible for managing that. We need someone with experience of working for a big multinational, she's not good enough.
I don't need any instruction on it thanks!
In fact, the only bollocks seems to be from you.
You clearly know nothing about Vicky Kloss that's for sure.
You make her sound like a bobby pounding the beat!
She is more than qualified and like I state, she is not a press officer.
She is responsible for corporate communications and has been fast-tracked up the ladder by Abu Dhabi, as a result of her work.
Kloss is not the go to person these days for the press.
I think perhaps you do need instruction on how PR works in 2013. To suggest there "wasn't time because they were all hurrying round in the team hotel on the morning of the Cup Final" shows a staggering naivety of the modern digital media world.
It would have taken seconds to do a 2 line backing of Mancini on the clubs official Twitter / website. That would then be reported as news on SSN, all the sports radio, online papers, social media etc within minutes. Dramatically altering the mood of fans, players and staff.
Even if Mancini is getting sacked, which seems certain, the fact the club didn't come out back the manager on Saturday was a monumental mistake.
So, as opposed to bragging how ITK you are, or how great Vicky Kloss is, actually address the points I've made if you think they are bollocks.