Mancini Has Failed

[Matty]

The original statement was a simple one - Mancini has Failed.

Lets look at that, in it's simplest terms. Mancini was set two targets:-

1 - Finish in the Top 4

2 - Continue with "The trajectory" and hit the 70 point mark.

Now failure is a black and white area, getting close isn't good enough, you either achieve targets or you don't. It's entirely feasible we'll beat West Ham on Sunday and finish in 5th place, on 69 points. Both of these are very, VERY close to the targets set, however neither actually MEET the targets set. So, in short, the original statement was 100% accurate, Mancini has failed, on both counts. What the club does about it, and where people ultimately say the blame lies, are interesting, yet irrelevant, points. Mancini HAS failed, to argue otherwise is to simply ignore the facts.

this is actually a very good post. i am pro mancini but that is accurate. what i will say is that is it a good idea to get rid of another manager? and also if mancini was in charge all season, according to the stats he would have got well over 70 points. the question is, was mancini given a reasonable target? and would hughes have made that 70 points?

In my opinion Champion's League qualification was lost during the run of 10 drawn league games. 10 points from a possible 30 is completely unacceptable, especially given some of the games we had during that period. We took 6 points from Chelsea, 4 from Arsenal yet still missed out on the top 4, the reason is dropped points against relegation candidates, and thrown away leads in games we should have closed out. Mancini inherited issues, we'd already dropped a lot of points so he had far less room to manouevre. Another issue was the completely ridiculous form Spurs hit, they've won 9 of their last 11 games, that's title challenging form, 27 points from 33 is ridiculous, it'll be years before Spurs come close to a run like that again.

 

[bobmcfc]

first time i have laughed all day

You wont be laughing if the clown is trusted with any transfer booty.

why cant you just be happy that

we are the richest club in the world

we have improved 5 places on last season instead of fallen back a place on the season we had under sven.

we have qualified for european competion through our exceptional league position instead of the fair play league

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why cant you stop moaning and aapreciate what every fan of every other club would give their left nut for ?

we will have a great transfer window and be back in august to challenge again

 

[SoDakBlue]

We all know what the targets were. However, I think that the guy deserves another season after the way he's molded this team of players that aren't his into a top 4 contending team. It seems like the guy got a huge blood transfusion upon signing with the club as manager, because he absolutely bleeds blue now. I without a doubt want him back next season.

 

[robinhood CITY]

Mancini must stay knows all the current players.Who he wants to keep and who he wants to get rid of.A few good signings and i think we'll get a top 4 spot.

 

[wrongun73]

after half a season here he'll now know the sort of foreign players that will suit the premiership, roll on window!!

 

[davymcfc]

this is actually a very good post. i am pro mancini but that is accurate. what i will say is that is it a good idea to get rid of another manager? and also if mancini was in charge all season, according to the stats he would have got well over 70 points. the question is, was mancini given a reasonable target? and would hughes have made that 70 points?

In my opinion Champion's League qualification was lost during the run of 10 drawn league games. 10 points from a possible 30 is completely unacceptable, especially given some of the games we had during that period. We took 6 points from Chelsea, 4 from Arsenal yet still missed out on the top 4, the reason is dropped points against relegation candidates, and thrown away leads in games we should have closed out. Mancini inherited issues, we'd already dropped a lot of points so he had far less room to manouevre. Another issue was the completely ridiculous form Spurs hit, they've won 9 of their last 11 games, that's title challenging form, 27 points from 33 is ridiculous, it'll be years before Spurs come close to a run like that again.

you are quite a sensible guy as it would seem. hughes was given 200 million and basically took an 8th place team to 10th and then 6th. mancini needs time. otherwise we will go through all this again next season. who do you think should be in charge next season?

 

[BlueSinclair]

I don't care how you twist and turn it, how you lie and spin it, the goal was 4th and cl, and we didn't make it. That is failure, there is no discussing it even. That said, I'm not saying he should be sacked because of it. But I don't see a lot of things working in his favor, exactly why should he stay? And no giving him time for the sake of giving him time is bs at the highest order.

I hear people saying fergiescum got time, well how many people have changed a team in just a few months. Why can't that happen here? The time argument is such crap. Either you got it, or you don't.

 

[Failsworth_Blue]

I don't care how you twist and turn it, how you lie and spin it, the goal was 4th and cl, and we didn't make it. That is failure, there is no discussing it even. That said, I'm not saying he should be sacked because of it. But I don't see a lot of things working in his favor, exactly why should he stay? And no giving him time for the sake of giving him time is bs at the highest order.

I hear people saying fergiescum got time, well how many people have change a time in just a few months. Why can't that happen here? The time argument is such crap. Either you got it, or you don't.

Why should be stay?

Basically when Mancini took over we'd won 2 leauge games out of 11, so basically 2 wins in just under a 3rd of the season and apart from the win at Chelsea there was nothing in most of those performences to suggest things were going to get better. We were conceding goals, left right and centre and not winning enough games, we were slipping down the table so when Mancini came in he had no time to see where the weak links were and assess the squad but he had to get results or we'd have fallen further and further away in the race for 4th, as it is he come in made us more solid and we started to win games however there was also a few extremely poor performances since he's been here but all in all when you consider how we were performing when he took over and the fact that we took the race to 4th down to the last week of the season when we were up against a Spurs side who since the turn of the year have been nearly as good as United and Chelsea in terms of results it suggests that he's done a pretty good job

Not everything about him is perfect, he has his faults as a manager but he's new to the English leauge, he's come in with no time to prepare and had to get results and overall he's done a pretty good job IMO. With a whole summer behind him and him addressing the weaknesses in our squad i'm confident we'll have a more successful campaign next season. Although he failed on the target of 4th he's done enough to deserve a summer to do what he wants to do with the squad IMO

 

[bobmcfc]

some of the fans who are campaining for mancini to be sacked after 6 months in charge possibly finishing 5th are the same fans who wanted hughes to be given more time after a full season in charge, a huge amount spent and a 10th place finish !
unbelievable really !

we have improved vastly and thats what counts. a season in the europa cup will give us much needed experience so we can get to the next level and hold our own in the champs league 11/12

 

[Didsbury Dave]

some of the fans who are campaining for mancini to be sacked after 6 months in charge possibly finishing 5th are the same fans who wanted hughes to be given more time after a full season in charge, a huge amount spent and a 10th place finish !
unbelievable really !

we have improved vastly and thats what counts. a season in the europa cup will give us much needed experience so we can get to the next level and hold our own in the champs league 11/12

Not all.

hughes and Mancini both failed to get us in the top four and it's a big disappointment for me.

There's no doubting he failed, although it was close. He'd tell you that himself. And yes, of course, there were mitigating circumstances.