Mancini On Soriano

[Anonymous]

All if, buts and maybes and his time ended in a poor fashion, the men in charge learned nothing from the sacking of Hughes and it probably led to our poor showing in the FA cup final, if they could have kept it under wraps better then I believe we would have won the cup but would that have made it harder to sack Mancini ?

You do have to wonder about that sometimes.

:)

I think that's totally wrong to be honest mate. The men charge were dealing with a character who had completely isolated himself at the club and pretty much refused to speak to anyone but the press about his future. Mancini said repeatedly that he wasn't going to be sacked because he worked for serious people, and yet when he was asked if he'd sought any assurances he said he didn't need to even in the face of mounting speculation. What happened in the run up to the FA Cup was simply that it became clearer to the outside world that he was going to leave. Mancini himself had probably knowns for weeks if not months. He was as culpable as anyone in the abortive FA Cup display because he put his own ego before the good of the club that was paying his wages. People forget that within the politicking - even if Mancini knew he was toast, he had a duty to do what was best for the club, prepare and motivate the team properly, and not let his future become a fucking sideshow. He fed the press, and fed that sideshow which was ultimately IMO bang out of order and as much the reason we lost the FA Cup as anything else. The face he had no allies left within the organisation spoke to what kind of a person he was to work with. Someone who clearly didn't put the good of the club first.

EDIT:

Sorry I realise I said i'd try and be nicer and I am trying to be. But it's tough to read such mythology about what happened how it happened and why it happened.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

what makes me laugh is the people attacking mancini do so in the pretence that they knew from inside city every word and every action that took place.

1, they didn't.
2, who gives a fuck, he won things for us.

With regards to number 2
Soriano gave a fuck and thats why he is out of a job now

 

[bernabias home shirt]

what makes me laugh is the people attacking mancini do so in the pretence that they knew from inside city every word and every action that took place.

1, they didn't.
2, who gives a fuck, he won things for us.

With regards to number 2
Soriano gave a fuck and thats why he is out of a job now

Well Soriano has set his stall out on five trophies over the next few years
He's already said he wants progress from last season
Even if we dont win a trophy he wants second in the league,Champions league semi and an f a cup final,and that will only be fine.....His Words.

 

[wayne71]

what makes me laugh is the people attacking mancini do so in the pretence that they knew from inside city every word and every action that took place.

1, they didn't.
2, who gives a fuck, he won things for us.

With regards to number 2
Soriano gave a fuck and thats why he is out of a job now

Well Soriano has set his stall out on five trophies over the next few years
He's already said he wants progress from last season
Even if we dont win a trophy he wants second in the league,Champions league semi and an f a cup final,and that will only be fine.....His Words.

Can you imagine the uproar if cook had said that.

 

[Anonymous]

Can you imagine the uproar if cook had said that.

We're at a point where those expectations are realistic. People keep talking about them as if they're somehow new. They're not. Khaldoun said two summers ago that we had a squad capable of challenging on multiple fronts. A trophy a season is and should be the bare minimum. Of course it's not so binary that you go "no trophy - fired!" - but certainly if you don't win a trophy, can't get out of your group in the CL, and your team seems to be regressing rather than progressing, then you'll be toast.

 

[Skashion]

I take absolutely no issue with Soriano's targets. They should be the bare minimum. Mancini came very close to three trophies in three seasons, and he started out with a team that was 6th in the league. That manager, was sacked. Pellegrini is starting out with a team that finished 2nd in a poor season, has amassed 89 points in a season at its best, and already won two trophies consecutively. A trophy a season when you're starting where Pellegrini is, is about right as a bare minimum. You can't demand different expectations from different managers because the bar hasn't really changed much, in fact, vis-a-vis the level of progression Mancini achieved, it might be too low.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

I take absolutely no issue with Soriano's targets. They should be the bare minimum. Mancini came very close to three trophies in three seasons, and he started out with a team that was 6th in the league. That manager, was sacked. Pellegrini is starting out with a team that finished 2nd in a poor season, has amassed 89 points in a season at its best, and already won two trophies consecutively. A trophy a season when you're starting where Pellegrini is, is about right as a bare minimum. You can't demand different expectations from different managers because the bar hasn't really changed much, in fact, vis-a-vis the level of progression Mancini achieved, it might be too low.

Totally agree skas
I find it strange though that some folk are saying top three and he will have done o'k,not in soriano's eyes he wont have
Without a shadow of a doubt a trophy needs to be delivered,the league imo
We now have a better team/squad than when we amassed 89 points,so we should be on a par or sailing past that figure
I am actually looking forward to the start of the season & i reckon we will reach them targets..

 

[Blue Tooth]

Pellegrini must compete in his first season...I don't thinking winning a trophy is essential but we should, as a team, with this current squad, compete on all fronts.
It's an interesting build up for me having not renewed my SC after years of watching.
I feel a little distant from it all. It's weird.

 

[Anonymous]

I take absolutely no issue with Soriano's targets. They should be the bare minimum. Mancini came very close to three trophies in three seasons, and he started out with a team that was 6th in the league. That manager, was sacked. Pellegrini is starting out with a team that finished 2nd in a poor season, has amassed 89 points in a season at its best, and already won two trophies consecutively. A trophy a season when you're starting where Pellegrini is, is about right as a bare minimum. You can't demand different expectations from different managers because the bar hasn't really changed much, in fact, vis-a-vis the level of progression Mancini achieved, it might be too low.

Mancini wasn't sacked because he didn't achieve enough at City. He was sacked primarily because his position had become completely untenable within the organisation. I'm sure a more diplomatic man with better people skills would've been afforded far more slack.

 

[Troubadour]

All if, buts and maybes and his time ended in a poor fashion, the men in charge learned nothing from the sacking of Hughes and it probably led to our poor showing in the FA cup final, if they could have kept it under wraps better then I believe we would have won the cup but would that have made it harder to sack Mancini ?

You do have to wonder about that sometimes.

:)

I think that's totally wrong to be honest mate. The men charge were dealing with a character who had completely isolated himself at the club and pretty much refused to speak to anyone but the press about his future. Mancini said repeatedly that he wasn't going to be sacked because he worked for serious people, and yet when he was asked if he'd sought any assurances he said he didn't need to even in the face of mounting speculation. What happened in the run up to the FA Cup was simply that it became clearer to the outside world that he was going to leave. Mancini himself had probably knowns for weeks if not months. He was as culpable as anyone in the abortive FA Cup display because he put his own ego before the good of the club that was paying his wages. People forget that within the politicking - even if Mancini knew he was toast, he had a duty to do what was best for the club, prepare and motivate the team properly, and not let his future become a fucking sideshow. He fed the press, and fed that sideshow which was ultimately IMO bang out of order and as much the reason we lost the FA Cup as anything else. The face he had no allies left within the organisation spoke to what kind of a person he was to work with. Someone who clearly didn't put the good of the club first.

EDIT:

Sorry I realise I said i'd try and be nicer and I am trying to be. But it's tough to read such mythology about what happened how it happened and why it happened.

The players let EVERYONE down on that FA Cup final day:

The Club
The Management
The Manager
Themselves
and most of all the fans!

They were a disgrace - end of. I forked out over a £1,000 that weekend to get me and my family to the Cup Final and they just couldn't be arsed. They really couldn't. It wasn't the Spanish duo's fault and it wasn't Mancini's fault that day it was the players fault 100%.