Mancini out? (merged)

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WNRH said:
Didsbury Dave said:
Yaya_Tony said:
I appreciate that mate, I do, I know from some of your other posts that you bleed blue, but knowing that and knowing that neither myself or any of my match going or non match going blue friends bar one nutcase want to see a managerial change at the moment, yet you state it as a topic regularly discussed with the outcome of a change being the way forward, I feel your view is a bit skewed. If I'm wrong and next season we have someone else then that is fine with me (as long as it is best for the club), but I don't think we will have.

Neither of us know whether there will be a managerial change or not, of course. I have never stated that there will be, only that I want there to be. So my view isn't 'skewed', it's just an opinion, like yours.

Lets see what happens when the dust settles on the season. I'll be there next year whatever.

You should have said that last time when you were convinced he was getting sacked and Mourinho was coming!
He was one kick from the sack last season. His Monaco agreement proves that. Mourinho? I've always hoped, still do. I know he's been approached by the club several times in the past, and I know the club believed they had got him once. Now the appointment of soriano and txiki make the summer decisions anyone's guess.
 
I genuinely can't fathom why people want Mancini gone, perhaps it's because I haven't been following this thread or because it's a stupid notion in the first place.

Ah well, I'll check back after the next 260 pages.
 
pudge said:
I genuinely can't fathom why people want Mancini gone, perhaps it's because I haven't been following this thread or because it's a stupid notion in the first place.

Ah well, I'll check back after the next 260 pages.
crap performances in Europe. public attacks on players. not getting 100% out of players.
 
NoahCity said:
pudge said:
I genuinely can't fathom why people want Mancini gone, perhaps it's because I haven't been following this thread or because it's a stupid notion in the first place.

Ah well, I'll check back after the next 260 pages.
crap performances in Europe. public attacks on players. not getting 100% out of players.
Ah, poor performances and players not giving 100% fall solely on the manager.

I knew there was a reason I avoided this thread.
 
Yaya_Tony said:
Didsbury Dave said:
Yaya_Tony said:
It's when you start mentioning "the majority of City fans" that I think your view is skewed as it doesn't represent anyone I know, not your own opinion which of course you are entitled to.

For the record I think the best outcome at the end of the season is we keep Mancini, but in the unlikely event (imo) that doesn't happen, I'll still be here too and here whatever the situation.
You didn't read it. I said the majority of city would want Jose mourinho to be our manager should Mancini be sacked. I didn't say that I believe that the majority want him sacked, that's a totally different point.

As it stands I don't think the majority want mancini sacked. This may have changed by the end of the season of course because opinions like this fluctuate wildly according to results.
I did read it. Most City fans I know aren't thinking past Mancini as it seems unnecessary given the limited alternative options. If they did, most think Mourinho is still a ****, who imo had his chance but went to Madrid. So what I said, that your view doesn't represent the majority, is true. Some would welcome him, others not, all would still support the club.

opinions like this fluctuate wildly according to results

Our current course is safe second and a match away from FA Cup semi. If we do what is expected from now til May then I wouldn't be complaining. Then we go again next season without wholesale changes.
Well you mix in very different circles to me mate. 90% of city fans I know would want mourinho if there was vacancy and he was available. Probably 100% of the ones who understand the game. In fact given the options available I'd go so far as to say that there's not a cat In hell's chance the majority would not want him should there be a vacancy. If I'm really honest id say its ridiculous of you to even suggest such a thing.

But neither of us can really be proved right on this without conducting a poll at the stadium, so best to leave it at that.

Until the summer ;-)
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Yaya_Tony said:
Didsbury Dave said:
You didn't read it. I said the majority of city would want Jose mourinho to be our manager should Mancini be sacked. I didn't say that I believe that the majority want him sacked, that's a totally different point.

As it stands I don't think the majority want mancini sacked. This may have changed by the end of the season of course because opinions like this fluctuate wildly according to results.
I did read it. Most City fans I know aren't thinking past Mancini as it seems unnecessary given the limited alternative options. If they did, most think Mourinho is still a ****, who imo had his chance but went to Madrid. So what I said, that your view doesn't represent the majority, is true. Some would welcome him, others not, all would still support the club.

opinions like this fluctuate wildly according to results

Our current course is safe second and a match away from FA Cup semi. If we do what is expected from now til May then I wouldn't be complaining. Then we go again next season without wholesale changes.
Well you mix in very different circles to me mate. 90% of city fans I know would want mourinho if there was vacancy and he was available. Probably 100% of the ones who understand the game. In fact given the options available I'd go so far as to say that there's not a cat In hell's chance the majority would not want him should there be a vacancy. If I'm really honest id say its ridiculous of you to even suggest such a thing.

But neither of us can really be proved right on this without conducting a poll at the stadium, so best to leave it at that.

Until the summer ;-)
I probably do, none of us currently even talk about changing manager. We talk about other boring things like who will play, who is injured, how the opposition played last time, what score it will be. Nothing as exciting as a new manager is discussed because we already have a very decent boss.

I said "imo" Mourinho had his chance. Should we be looking, we could do worse. I simply doubt we actually will be looking at any time in the foreseeable future.

And he is still a ****. If he ends up as our ****, I'll support him, but a **** he will remain.

Summer should be fun one way or another...<br /><br />-- Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:08 am --<br /><br />
FantasyIreland said:
Yaya Tony,why have you deleted your post?
I missed a bit, on a phone so it was easier to delete it then repost.
 
Ah,ta,thought i was going mad......!

I think you've part answered youre own question - 'a very decent boss' - that maybe sums him up,probably flatters him in fact.

We deserve and need the best,if not the best,the best available - if that means sticking with Mancini then so be it,however,i think we'll have dimissd a good few candidates if that remains the case......
 
FantasyIreland said:
Ah,ta,thought i was going mad......!

I think you've part answered youre own question - 'a very decent boss' - that maybe sums him up,probably flatters him in fact.

We deserve and need the best,if not the best,the best available - if that means sticking with Mancini then so be it,however,i think we'll have dimissd a good few candidates if that remains the case......
That's just it though mate, it isn't me asking the questions in the first place. I'm happy to see how we develop over the next few seasons with Mancini in charge.
 
Real and Barca are so far ahead of the rest of the Spanish league.The last time a different club won it was 2003-2004 Valencia the same year Arsenal won the prem.Since then united,Chelsea and City have won the premier league,which would suggest that its more competitive (or has been).
So to point out record points tallies in a virtually two team league becomes a slightly flawed argument in my opinion.
Mourinho is one of the top managers no question,but if Real don't win the champions league under Mourinho his tenure their would be classed by lots of Real fans as a bit of a let down I think.
Its slightly like Mancinis predicament here,re expectations,although City are at a different stage in their development.
 
Those Jose stats are interesting. Very good winning percentage, but you can't help but think that his time at Madrid will have been a disappointment if he can't add to his trophy haul. I don't think he has anything to prove as a manager anyway, although I do think the reason a lot of people (including myself) aren't keen is for reasons other than his ability to coach winning teams.

Had a look at Mancini's stats. Currently third best winning percentage in the club history at 58.42%. 4 wins away from second place, first was Sam Cowans with 20 wins from 30 matches. FWIW Ferguson has a 59.7% winning percentage with the rags, so he's not far away from that.
 
pudge said:
NoahCity said:
pudge said:
I genuinely can't fathom why people want Mancini gone, perhaps it's because I haven't been following this thread or because it's a stupid notion in the first place.

Ah well, I'll check back after the next 260 pages.
crap performances in Europe. public attacks on players. not getting 100% out of players.
Ah, poor performances and players not giving 100% fall solely on the manager.

I knew there was a reason I avoided this thread.

Ha, I see what you did there. I do not believe that the manager is "solely" responsible for issues of performance and effort on the players' parts. But, the manager carries the ulitmate responsibility for the performance on the pitch overall. This is why, at season's end, Bobby will be sacked and many players (6 or 7, anyway) will be moved out of the club as well.

There will be tectonic changes at the club this summer, and I believe we will all be somewhat shocked at how far-ranging they will be. If Txiki makes the right decisions, it will speed the development of the Project. The pressure on him will be immense...
 
The tail is no longer wagging the dog and for that reason, it's time for me to start getting very excited.

Shit just got very real last 48 hours....now show us what you can do..


A big up to General Zod on keyboard.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJJQpSzDgC0[/youtube]
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
The tail is no longer wagging the dog and for that reason, it's time for me to start getting very excited.

Shit just got very real last 48 hours....now show us what you can do..


A big up to General Zod on keyboard.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJJQpSzDgC0[/youtube]

So he has been sacked then. Actually i think he has been told to win all the remaining matches to keep his job.<br /><br />-- Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:50 pm --<br /><br />
The Future's Blue said:
So, he's been sacked and Mourinho's on his way.

Pelligrini, by chance?

So we are going to have two managers?
 
Ragnarok said:
So we are going to have two managers?
Why not, one for the 1st and one for the Academy :)

Was just wondering which name is going to be banded about, now that we know Mancini's been sacked.
 
The Future's Blue said:
Ragnarok said:
So we are going to have two managers?
Why not, one for the 1st and one for the Academy :)

Was just wondering which name is going to be banded about, now that we know Mancini's been sacked.

And how do we know that Mancini has been sacked?
 
I might as well spill, wouldn't normally, but there might be the odd video thrown in for good measure.

It would appear Duncan Castle's recent report was not too far from the truth.

However, with one important omission, and to be fair, assured it has only happened this week.

For the first time, and we have always done the chasing, before, Jose Mourinho's people have made contact to make it clear he would want our job.

That's quite a come down for the Special One in my own eyes, what we are supposed to know about the man.

I'm sure City will continue to bluff this all out until the season has run its course, but it's clear nothing is off the table, including Mancini moving on.

Jose has fucked us over a couple times, but only when we have been the ones doing the chasing.

It makes me feel a little more comfortable how the tide has turned in recent seasons. Mourinho has strong voices still open to him in Abu Dhabi.

Mourinho also has no issue with Begiristain - although I have no indication in terms of the other way.

Of course, many can call it out as bullshit, but I trust it 100 per cent, as I did with the Mario saga.

If nothing else, as a Jose admirer, myself, it adds to this whole debate, and know it is far removed from what is being reported elsewhere up to this stage.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
I might as well spill, wouldn't normally, but there might be the odd video thrown in for good measure.

It would appear Duncan Castle's recent report was not too far from the truth.

However, with one important omission, and to be fair, assured it has only happened this week.

For the first time, and we have always done the chasing, before, Jose Mourinho's people have made contact to make it clear he would want our job.

That's quite a come down for the Special One in my own eyes, what we are supposed to know about the man.

I'm sure City will continue to bluff this all out until the season has run its course, but it's clear nothing is off the table, including Mancini moving on.

Jose has fucked us over a couple times, but only when we have been the ones doing the chasing.

It makes me feel a little more comfortable how the tide has turned in recent seasons. Mourinho has strong voices still open to him in Abu Dhabi.

Mourinho also has no issue with Begiristain - although I have no indication in terms of the other way.

Of course, many can call it out as bullshit, but I trust it 100 per cent, as I did with the Mario saga.

If nothing else, as a Jose admirer, myself, it adds to this whole debate, and know it is far removed from what is being reported elsewhere up to this stage.
Interesting stuff mate, and thanks for the info.
 
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