Mancini out? (merged)

[Moody]

Agreed some players have just not performed but good players don't become crap over night I mean has Milner reached any of the level of performances he did at villa for us ? has nasri been as good as he was at arsenal same goes for dzeko and the answer is no so who's fault is it they've not reached the same level of play at city. Surely that falls at mancini's feet players don't try to play bad the manager has to give them the right tactics, positions and motivation to shine. And I don't think mancini does that with our attacking players. But defensive players like clichy who's been outstanding zabaleta and kompany have flourished under him. But I just worry about our attacking players. and as everyone knows goals win you games.

 

[Deleted member 52846]

Hmm...

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/roberto-mancini-refused-to-enter-the-manchester-city-dressing-room-after-southampton-defeat-8490914.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 90914.html</a>

If this is true then it is just another nail in Mancini's coffin. People need to stop blindly backing him and wake up to the reality of what kind of leader he is.

Yet there are other reports saying that he left the players in the changing rooms for a while to discuss what happened and then he entered and kept them in their for an hour.

 

[cleavers]

I mean has Milner reached any of the level of performances he did at villa for us ?

If you'd watched us in recent weeks you wouldn't be asking the question, apart from Zab, he's been the best player in the last 4 or 5 weeks, and was rewarded by being left out at Southampton to accommodate Yaya.

 

[Moody]

I mean has Milner reached any of the level of performances he did at villa for us ?

If you'd watched us in recent weeks you wouldn't be asking the question, apart from Zab, he's been the best player in the last 4 or 5 weeks, and was rewarded by being left out at Southampton to accommodate Yaya.

I go to every game so I would say I'm a pretty good judge. Mancini just does'nt get the best out of our attacking players it's clear for all to see.<br /><br />-- Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:55 am --<br /><br />

I mean has Milner reached any of the level of performances he did at villa for us ?

If you'd watched us in recent weeks you wouldn't be asking the question, apart from Zab, he's been the best player in the last 4 or 5 weeks, and was rewarded by being left out at Southampton to accommodate Yaya.

I go to every game so I would say I'm a pretty good judge. Mancini just does'nt get the best out of our attacking players it's clear for all to see.

and as for you highlighting Milner the last 5 games yes but did I mention in my post anything about the last five games, the answer Would be no, I was talking about there time at city in general.

 

[cleavers]

I mean has Milner reached any of the level of performances he did at villa for us ?

If you'd watched us in recent weeks you wouldn't be asking the question, apart from Zab, he's been the best player in the last 4 or 5 weeks, and was rewarded by being left out at Southampton to accommodate Yaya.

I go to every game so I would say I'm a pretty good judge.

Well you're not in Milners case then, he's rarely had a bad game since he signed, one of the problems is he hasn't played anywhere near enough, and is forever chopped and changed when he does play.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I would say I'm a pretty good judge.

Most football fans share this view of themselves. Many of these people are the same when it comes to assessing their own sexual performance and driving.

 

[waspish]

Hmm...

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/roberto-mancini-refused-to-enter-the-manchester-city-dressing-room-after-southampton-defeat-8490914.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 90914.html</a>

If this is true then it is just another nail in Mancini's coffin. People need to stop blindly backing him and wake up to the reality of what kind of leader he is.

A type of manager we haven't had in 36 years a winning one and will still be our manager next season unless he himself resigns, can't see our owners who backed him with a 5 year contract in the summer sacking a winning manager myself..

 

[Moody]

If you'd watched us in recent weeks you wouldn't be asking the question, apart from Zab, he's been the best player in the last 4 or 5 weeks, and was rewarded by being left out at Southampton to accommodate Yaya.

I go to every game so I would say I'm a pretty good judge.

Well you're not in Milners case then, he's rarely had a bad game since he signed, one of the problems is he hasn't played anywhere near enough, and is forever chopped and changed when he does play.

back to my point about the blame falls at mancini's feet then if he plays well when he's in the squad. Then surely he should get more games!<br /><br />-- Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:02 am --<br /><br />

I would say I'm a pretty good judge.

Most football fans share this view of themselves. Many of these people are the same when it comes to assessing their own sexual performance and driving.

haha my driving not so good granted, as for the other we've been together 14 years so either I'm doing something right or the milkman is. :)

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I hate this article and all its jabs but half of the reason I hate it is because it's true. :/

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Sam Wallace: Has the Premier League title ever been surrendered so pathetically?
When Gareth Barry scored his tragi-comic own goal he displayed the body language of a zombie

In the long and not always glorious history of football there may have been more disgracefully gutless performances than the one put in by the champions of England at Southampton on Saturday. There may also have been a more bizarre series of utterances than those which came from the mouth of the man who carried the most direct responsibility, the Manchester City manager, Roberto Mancini, but if compelling comparisons are somewhat elusive there is one thing about which we can be certain.

It is that never before can such a miserable example of broken down professionalism, of abandoned self-respect and a total failure to deliver a sliver of value for money (the transfer value of City's starters was approximately £206m, with substitutes James Milner, Aleksandar Kolarov and Maicon representing another £48m), have provoked less in the way of red-blooded outrage.

Mancini, who before the game lamented the possibility that quite soon very rich men may no longer be able to throw infinite amounts of money at the football team of their choice, did say that "big players" should display rather more convincing evidence that they possess "big balls".

But then given that his extremely expensive team had, in the process of an almost formal defeat by a side whose stars Jay Rodriguez and Rickie Lambert came at a combined cost of less than the year's salary of the missing Carlos Tevez, displayed a collective heart so minuscule the great Bill Shankly would surely have likened it to a caraway seed, it hardly seemed an excessive reaction.

We are told that Mancini will survive at least until the summer, by which time his Abu Dhabi employers might have to conclude that if their rival Roman Abramovich had a well-earned reputation for what might be described as brutal whimsicality, their own had come to occupy precisely the other end of the spectrum.

Sheikh Mansour and his cohorts should have known some time ago that their £1billion-plus investment in City was well on the way to becoming a shocking indictment of an idea nursed so lovingly in the upper echelons of the Premier League. They should have known that they were making a monument not to relentless spending and seamless progress but nightmare entrapment by the prospective demands of Financial Fair Play.

Mancini whined that he had been miserably supported in the summer transfer window and that because of this, rather than a painful lack of evidence that he might be able to develop the force and coherence of by far the strongest squad in the country, his defence of the Premier League title and expansion of hopes in the Champions League had been virtually destroyed.

Another truth was much easier to grasp this last weekend. It is that City have become a parody of a club who might be anywhere near taking their place at the heart of European football. Their dismissal from the Champions League was one shocking development. The tolerance of the Mario Balotelli situation was an affront to professional standards. The reinstatement of Tevez after his Munich mutiny was another compromise to make the flesh crawl.

After saying that Tevez would never again wear the City shirt, Mancini soon enough agreed that he might well be a powerful asset in the race for the Premier League finish. That, no doubt, helped to deliver City's first title since the one they landed rather more emphatically with the help of Lee, Bell and Summerbee 44 years earlier. But how much should you pay, in money and basic values, for one championship which in less than a year seems as if it might have happened in another lifetime?

When Gareth Barry scored his tragi-comic own goal at Southampton he displayed the body language of a zombie. It was also a reasonable way of defining the performance of most of his team-mates. It wasn't a defeat. It was a submission. It was a terrible statement about what happens when a team is separated from any sense that it can still achieve its most basic ambitions.

For many, it was almost entirely the fault of players grossly overpaid and seriously under-motivated. Of course they had their huge responsibilities and it wasn't only Mancini impelled to ask what had happened to the command and the wit of men like Yaya Touré and David Silva. Mancini says: "A player who plays like that should stay at home, not even be on the pitch. I don't want to see a player like we saw on Saturday. Usually, we play well and even when we don't play well, we put everything on the pitch. But we didn't even do that."

No, they didn't, demonstrably not, but then isn't it quite a key part of the manager's job to avoid such disaster? Mancini was recently pictured with his hands reaching for Balotelli's throat. There is another study of him linking hands with Tevez. He is, no doubt, an engaging football man with some notable achievements as both a player and a coach, but this doesn't mean so much now when he has to prove that there is really enough money in the world to make a great football team.

Meanwhile, Sir Alex Ferguson tells us that he sharply strengthened his planned team for the winning game against Everton after watching the City debacle. His reward was a 12-point lead – and the latest evidence that his once dangerous rivals surely have to think again.

Correction on the above article. It was actually written by James Lawton and not Ian Herbert, so apologies to Herbert. It may have been an error at the Independent's end as I'm certain it was attributed to Herbert when I went on the Indy's website.

The true source of the article does change the complexion of what I wrote on the last page a little. Lawton, alongside Brian Glanville, has serious, serious form when it comes to looking down his nose at our club. I should have recognised his laboured, dreary tones tbh as Herbert normally makes for much easier reading.

 

[Any1aBlue]

I've woken up again and he's STILL here.................for gods sake go!