NipHolmes said:flb said:jay_mcfc said:I dont WANT Mancini out as such, but I think he will be gone and I can no longer say that that isn't for the best all round. We really have been a shadow of our former selves all season. The squad isn't actually as good as people make out but by the same token we just haven't put up any kind of fight throughout the whole season.
There are so many aspects to all this, so many questions and issues but ultimately we have gone backwards drastically. Unless we win 11/12 of our remaining fixtures we are going to be way down on points total from last season. There are mitigating circumstances but I just don't think Mancini has the backing of the players any more. Normally I would say fuck the players and support the manager but I have always praised Mancini and the board for not only bringing in quality players but also players that seemed to be level headed and with the right attitude. If then, these 'professional' players seem to have turned on him, I have to wonder where it leaves the manager.
Truth be told I think it will be better for everyone involved if Mancini left in the summer. Certainly he himself seems to not be very happy here and I'm sure the job offers from Italy would come pouring in. He will carry on being successful, no doubt about that.
That said we can only sack him if we have a better candidate lined up to replace. I love Mancini for what he has done for us and will be gutted the day he does leave but I am only interested in the best for MCFC.
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theres just three words that spring to mind and they are Rodwell,Garcia and Sinclair
For the life of me i cant see why we are spending circa £200k a week in wages and spunked over 30 million for players that havent enhanced the squad.
By all accounts we baulked at the Hazard fee and wages for a much needed wide player and bought two water carrying midfielders we didnt need.
We are now in a position where we have more dead wood to shift-whos going to buy Kolorov,Dzeko,Rodwell,Garcia,Sinclair?
Or will it take changing the manager to get more out of the whole squad-i know where my money lies.
Either Milan for Kola.
Inter or Dortmund for Dzeko.
Rodwell stays.
Garcia stays even though I'd sell.
Sinclair goes to Everton/Newcastle of team like that imo. QPR wouldn't shock me if they stop up.
NipHolmes said:We will lose.
Kola less than 10m.
Dzeko 20m or so.
Garcia stays but we I think we get 10m
Sinclair we should recoup or profit. Zaha cost 15m afterall.
BillyShears said:It's a point oft ignored by people ... Mancini isn't under pressure because we might finish the season without a trophy. He's under pressure because of the performances of the team. Thus if he is dispensed with, it'll be because of those performances. Not because we finished the season potentially without a trophy.
my bad mate sorry, are specsavers still doing 2 for the price of 1 ?tolmie's hairdoo said:Moody said:to say our owners are incompetent to say the least is crazy, they have changed our club from top to bottom and in the future we will be a major force with a state f the art training complex, they also have done alot of good for the area. They've done all I ever dreamed of and more in my eyes. Sure they might of made a few mistakes but seriously?tolmie's hairdoo said:So it was entirely reasonable for Mancini to protect himself, but our owners are so incompetent, they would not have made any attempts to do likewise?
Read it again, mate!
I'm clearly suggesting they are far from incompetent!
jay_mcfc said:BillyShears said:It's a point oft ignored by people ... Mancini isn't under pressure because we might finish the season without a trophy. He's under pressure because of the performances of the team. Thus if he is dispensed with, it'll be because of those performances. Not because we finished the season potentially without a trophy.
I sometimes agree with what you say
I mostly disagree with what you say
But that post is absolutely bang on and my feelings exactly. It is for this reason that the FA Cup is absolutely irrelevant to him being our manager next year, whether we get knocked out on Sunday or win the whole thing.
I honestly think that his only chance of being here next season is if we win the next 12 games in the league and he has players like Kompany and Yaya saying they want him to stay.
10% indeed
BillyShears said:Funnily enough Jay ... I think he's more likely to stay than go, simply because I think the pool of managers available after the WC 2014 will be far more impressive than this summer. I suspect the only way he goes this summer is if performances get worse than last Saturday OR Mourinho/Klopp make themselves available.
jay_mcfc said:If Mourinho is available, which he seems to be, I'm certain we'll go all in on him. With Pep gone, there is only Mourinho or Klopp (don't think he'll leave myself) plus the likes of Simeone as possibilities. When you think City, Chelsea, United and Arsenal will be looking for a manager in the near future, we need to be very wise with our decision making.
Prestwich_Blue said:It's also my understanding that Mancini was never seen by the owners as the ideal choice for our long-term manager
Chippy_boy said:Prestwich_Blue said:It's also my understanding that Mancini was never seen by the owners as the ideal choice for our long-term manager
I can say for a fact that this is true. I have never been ITK about anything but a couple of months before Christmas by some weird chance I did become party to some dialogue between the Sheik and Khaldoon. They were more than clear that Mancini was not the long term choice and that they wanted Guardiola at the end of the season at the latest, Christmas if they could get him. I was shocked when he went to Munich, but I guess in the end he just did not want to come to Manchester and we couldn't persuade him.