Mancini out? (merged)

[Prestwich_Blue]

anyone who wants mancini out is a fucking prick




probably just pissed off at your life so you wanna take it out on someone the press are trying to vindicate




glad u are stuck behinf a computer and cant really make it out in thw real world

There really is no need for this sort of post (and it is rather ironic). You're entitled to your opinion but so are other people.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Got a feeling it could be like last years,not much unless we sell,and thats the way the sheikh wants to go now..

Sounds to me like you're beginning to think Mancini is being hard done by by the club.

Not at all mate,if he's been told thats it sell before you buy we have books to balance,then so be it
I wont be complaining if thats how the sheikh wants to do buisness
He has put enough in.

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

anyone who wants mancini out is a fucking prick




probably just pissed off at your life so you wanna take it out on someone the press are trying to vindicate




glad u are stuck behinf a computer and cant really make it out in thw real world

There really is no need for this sort of post (and it is rather ironic). You're entitled to your opinion but so are other people.

He is just a united fan taking the piss just read through his posts

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

anyone who wants mancini out is a fucking prick




probably just pissed off at your life so you wanna take it out on someone the press are trying to vindicate




glad u are stuck behinf a computer and cant really make it out in thw real world

On the basis that you probably speak as you write, I presume that garbled rubbish is due to you trying to talk and swallow your medication at the same time.......?

 

[inchy14]

Cherry picking,great.......

The team is unbalanced,you have just contradicted yourself.

Cherry picking? Just showing that for the amount we have spent in the transfer market in the last three years we have added some pretty good players to the squad.

On the whole I think our transfer business over three years has been pretty good value for money.

Kolarov, Nasri (when Mata was knocking around), Savic (have in mind Nasty was around too).

The team has no width, how can that be a balanced side? We played a declining RB in Maicon as a winger and we play Kolarov as a left winger because he's a bad LB.

We have too many lone striker types rather than a number 10 and a number 9.

If we play 4-3-3 then we need a quick wide attacker, Sanchez was targeted and we missed out but Nasri is a completely different player to him.

We have to make losses on outgoings to get them out. We will then inevitably pay over the odds on incomings then.

Yet you'd like Pelligrini because he'd match the style of play our players are suited for.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

anyone who wants mancini out is a fucking prick




probably just pissed off at your life so you wanna take it out on someone the press are trying to vindicate




glad u are stuck behinf a computer and cant really make it out in thw real world

There really is no need for this sort of post (and it is rather ironic). You're entitled to your opinion but so are other people.

He is just a united fan taking the piss just read through his posts

I wish you hadn't recommended doing that. A brief journey into the mind of a poorly educated child.

 

[blueinsa]

anyone who wants mancini out is a fucking prick




probably just pissed off at your life so you wanna take it out on someone the press are trying to vindicate




glad u are stuck behinf a computer and cant really make it out in thw real world

 

[Goaters]

anyone who wants mancini out is a fucking prick


probably just pissed off at your life so you wanna take it out on someone the press are trying to vindicate


glad u are stuck behinf a computer and cant really make it out in thw real world

I personally was wavering as to whether I wanted Mancini in or out but I don't want to be considered a prick who can't make it in the real World so now I'm fully behind him.

Clearly Mancini isn't perfect, I'm sure the outers would say they would like nothing more than to have a manager they feel is fully competent and progressing the club. I am not spoilt etc, like some people suggest for questioning Mancini, I just would like to see more of a plan. See the evolution of his tactics knowing even if we finish the season empty handed we are sticking to our footballing philosophy.

Now Ferguson is a massive wanker, but he knows his way to play - that is width and quick counter attacking. It's his trademark and usually get's results.

Mancini likes slower build up play and intricate passing to find gaps. His signings indicate that is his chosen path and last season it worked well. This season however the formation has been found wanting and so far he has no answers to that.

I really want us to be successful and make that push, but the doubts remain whether with the Barcelona connection and the strangling of Mancini's power the inevitable conclusion of a parting of the ways will be happening in the Summer.

But I am very much an open canvass and whoever we play I will be cheering the team on hoping to see the football that we are capable of.

Whether we want Mancini to stay or go we all want best for our club and differing opinions in my eyes show people care enough about City to engage in debate about it.

 

[NipHolmes]

Kolarov, Nasri (when Mata was knocking around), Savic (have in mind Nasty was around too).

I'm not claiming that Mancini is the only manager in the world with a 100% record in the transfer market. Just that for the £185m nett that we've spent over three years we've improved our squad out of sight.

Ok would you agree we need wide players?

So we let Bellamy go a free loan to Cardiff, great.

We need a 4th striker (I remember you bemoaning lack of replacement for Mario), isn't RSC on loan at Malaga? Surely that's an option?

My problem with Mancini is fundamnetally failing to get the best out of the entire sqaud. Many of our players perform less here than they did elsewhere.

People slaughter Wenger yet the guy has spent like £30m over last 5 years net, look at us and how much we spend! Some of the players who don't even start here were some of the best players at their former clubs, Dzeko and Nasri being most telling.

The problem is as it always is. Mancini. He has his favourites and won't be swayed, his way or the highway. Now that's great if you want a communist empire and fancy being a dictator but when you want players to play for you and to get the best out of them then you must big them up and make them feel wanted. Blaming them publicly and dropping them whilst in form (look at Dzeko last season and also this season) isn't gonna help.

All I hear is back him with funds. Malaga had the plug pulled on them by their owner and are still in the CL. They have a more balanced squad than us. Why is this? Why do their players play for Pellegrini and why is he getting the most out of what he has?

Mancini has been looked after here very well by our board and they backed him well. He had 4 strikers at one point that made him the nevy of Europe, yet he plays a lone striker formation with Tevez dropping deeper. He has Kolarov on £100k a week doing next to fuck all. That's £10k a week more than RVP was paid at Arsenal last season.

I am sick to fucking death of excuses. We have a great squad, it needs a trim but some of that trimming is down to Mancini buys also. He hasn't been hard done to or anything like that.

Get the most out of what we have, look to stregthen but do so buy selling players we don't need. Dortumund have sold their best player the last 2 seasons on the trot, look how well they do.

 

[blueinsa]

Kolarov, Nasri (when Mata was knocking around), Savic (have in mind Nasty was around too).

I'm not claiming that Mancini is the only manager in the world with a 100% record in the transfer market. Just that for the £185m nett that we've spent over three years we've improved our squad out of sight.

Ok would you agree we need wide players?

So we let Bellamy go a free loan to Cardiff, great.

We need a 4th striker (I remember you bemoaning lack of replacement for Mario), isn't RSC on loan at Malaga? Surely that's an option?

My problem with Mancini is fundamnetally failing to get the best out of the entire sqaud. Many of our players perform less here than they did elsewhere.

People slaughter Wenger yet the guy has spent like £30m over last 5 years net, look at us and how much we spend! Some of the players who don't even start here were some of the best players at their former clubs, Dzeko and Nasri being most telling.

The problem is as it always is. Mancini. He has his favourites and won't be swayed, his way or the highway. Now that's great if you want a communist empire and fancy being a dictator but when you want players to play for you and to get the best out of them then you must big them up and make them feel wanted. Blaming them publicly and dropping them whilst in form (look at Dzeko last season and also this season) isn't gonna help.

All I hear is back him with funds. Malaga had the plug pulled on them by their owner and are still in the CL. They have a more balanced squad than us. Why is this? Why do their players play for Pellegrini and why is he getting the most out of what he has?

Mancini has been looked after here very well by our board and they backed him well. He had 4 strikers at one point that made him the nevy of Europe, yet he plays a lone striker formation with Tevez dropping deeper. He has Kolarov on £100k a week doing next to fuck all. That's £10k a week more than RVP was paid at Arsenal last season.

I am sick to fucking death of excuses. We have a great squad, it needs a trim but some of that trimming is down to Mancini buys also. He hasn't been hard done to or anything like that.

Get the most out of what we have, look to stregthen but do so buy selling players we don't need. Dortumund have sold their best player the last 2 seasons on the trot, look how well they do.

Great post that sums it up for me mate.

 

[NipHolmes]

Cherry picking? Just showing that for the amount we have spent in the transfer market in the last three years we have added some pretty good players to the squad.

On the whole I think our transfer business over three years has been pretty good value for money.

Kolarov, Nasri (when Mata was knocking around), Savic (have in mind Nasty was around too).

The team has no width, how can that be a balanced side? We played a declining RB in Maicon as a winger and we play Kolarov as a left winger because he's a bad LB.

We have too many lone striker types rather than a number 10 and a number 9.

If we play 4-3-3 then we need a quick wide attacker, Sanchez was targeted and we missed out but Nasri is a completely different player to him.

We have to make losses on outgoings to get them out. We will then inevitably pay over the odds on incomings then.

Yet you'd like Pelligrini because he'd match the style of play our players are suited for.

As my above post.

We'd sell a few players but buy a few wide attackers imo. Maybe a more mobile version of Barry also.

The be and end all is that his system of playing would imo get the most out of our playing staff and get us to be a more attacking outfit. We have a great attacking midfield and striker force yet are set up defensively system wise. I don't get that.

Barcelona (just for comparison) have a poor defense when Puyol is out, it's basically to very good attacking wingbacks and Macherano (CDM) and Pique. They score more they concede and are set up to maximise their strengths. I know they have great players but their system compliemnts that.

United have a poor defense and score more than they concede, yet again, set up to maximise their strengths.

In boxing terms, you don't have Mayweather fighting all out attacking like Pacqiuao, becuase he's a great defensive fighter he fights defensively and potshots. Pacqiuao alternatively is poor defensively so fights to his strengths in being more attacking. It works for both of them, just like it does the football clubs I mentioned above.

 

[decmancity]

Didn't hear any complaints last season about the system Mancini plays and it isn't because of his system this year we are so far behind.

It is down to the players who last season fought like Trojans to win the league, we battered the likes of Norwich with no problems because the players had a point to prove, now we are champions too many players don't feel they have to put the effort in and Southampton etc should roll over for us.

Its been a wake up call and next season I am sure they will start with a real vengeance and fight onc again.

As for the other criticisms eg Transfers, what manager gets every transfer right?

Largely his transfers have been a success and he has improved most of the squad whilst under his management as well.

 

[inchy14]

Kolarov, Nasri (when Mata was knocking around), Savic (have in mind Nasty was around too).

I'm not claiming that Mancini is the only manager in the world with a 100% record in the transfer market. Just that for the £185m nett that we've spent over three years we've improved our squad out of sight.

Ok would you agree we need wide players?

So we let Bellamy go a free loan to Cardiff, great.

We need a 4th striker (I remember you bemoaning lack of replacement for Mario), isn't RSC on loan at Malaga? Surely that's an option?

My problem with Mancini is fundamnetally failing to get the best out of the entire sqaud. Many of our players perform less here than they did elsewhere.

People slaughter Wenger yet the guy has spent like £30m over last 5 years net, look at us and how much we spend! Some of the players who don't even start here were some of the best players at their former clubs, Dzeko and Nasri being most telling.

The problem is as it always is. Mancini. He has his favourites and won't be swayed, his way or the highway. Now that's great if you want a communist empire and fancy being a dictator but when you want players to play for you and to get the best out of them then you must big them up and make them feel wanted. Blaming them publicly and dropping them whilst in form (look at Dzeko last season and also this season) isn't gonna help.

All I hear is back him with funds. Malaga had the plug pulled on them by their owner and are still in the CL. They have a more balanced squad than us. Why is this? Why do their players play for Pellegrini and why is he getting the most out of what he has?

Mancini has been looked after here very well by our board and they backed him well. He had 4 strikers at one point that made him the nevy of Europe, yet he plays a lone striker formation with Tevez dropping deeper. He has Kolarov on £100k a week doing next to fuck all. That's £10k a week more than RVP was paid at Arsenal last season.

I am sick to fucking death of excuses. We have a great squad, it needs a trim but some of that trimming is down to Mancini buys also. He hasn't been hard done to or anything like that.

Get the most out of what we have, look to stregthen but do so buy selling players we don't need. Dortumund have sold their best player the last 2 seasons on the trot, look how well they do.

Sorry mate and no offence is intended but reading that i think you don't know what you want.

Your bemoaning the fact Bellamy isn't here and RSC is on loan, yet in the next breath saying we have a great squad!!

Who in this great squad then is letting us down? or is everything Mancini's fault?

Kolarov was brought here at a time we had fuck all in left backs and while he hasn't been the most successfull purchase he's good back up and can help change our formation. And what he earns compared to RVP last season is irrelevant, RVP wanted to be the main man and he wasn't going to be so chose scum.

And as for who is performing worse here than at their previous clubs i'm at a loss.

Dzeko suits a different style of play granted but has made a huge contribution to this and last season.

Nasri is probably the only one and i can't help thinking that lots of is detractors is due to his effort (or lack of) in the wall angainst the rags.

Last year we were lauded as playing the best football seen in the prem for years, we do it a certain way, one i and many others obviously enjoy. This season that style of play hasn't worked as well, yet we're 2nd and should make the semi finals of the FA cup so it's hardly as bad as some make out.

The rags are having the best ever season in the prem, what can we do about that apart from when we play them twice. Without injuries to Aguero, Kompany and Richards plus the ACN we'd be a lot closer.

It's our own bar thats been raised and this season we may fall slightly short but that doesn't mean we should chop and change for the sake of it.

It was also a bar Mancini set the levels at so i'd guess he'll be as disappointed as us!!

 

[sergiokun]

If we finish 2nd and win the FA cup it will be a great season IMO yes champions league was a fail but we didn’t have much hope in that group. Let’s hope bobby can deliver silverware this season so he can get one more chance in champion league with us

 

[moomba]

Ok would you agree we need wide players?

No

So we let Bellamy go a free loan to Cardiff, great.

So

We need a 4th striker (I remember you bemoaning lack of replacement for Mario), isn't RSC on loan at Malaga? Surely that's an option?

Happy for Guidetti to play that role next season (although I expect a further two departures that will need to be replaced).

My problem with Mancini is fundamnetally failing to get the best out of the entire sqaud. Many of our players perform less here than they did elsewhere.

Many have improved as well. And we are league champions.

People slaughter Wenger yet the guy has spent like £30m over last 5 years net, look at us and how much we spend! Some of the players who don't even start here were some of the best players at their former clubs, Dzeko and Nasri being most telling.

We've won a cup and the league from mid table five years ago. Wenger has won nothing in the last 5 years, and has sent Arsenal backwards from one of the top couple in the competition. And Wenger is just as much as part of the reason why Arsenal don't spend as anyone.

The problem is as it always is. Mancini. He has his favourites and won't be swayed, his way or the highway. Now that's great if you want a communist empire and fancy being a dictator but when you want players to play for you and to get the best out of them then you must big them up and make them feel wanted. Blaming them publicly and dropping them whilst in form (look at Dzeko last season and also this season) isn't gonna help.

All managers have favourites. Generally the players they think will do a job for the club.

All I hear is back him with funds. Malaga had the plug pulled on them by their owner and are still in the CL. They have a more balanced squad than us. Why is this? Why do their players play for Pellegrini and why is he getting the most out of what he has?

I'd say the easier draw had as much to do with the reason they are still in teh champions league. Cup competitions are never a good guide, or will Arsenal be looking at Parkinson or Appleton as a replacement for Wenger.

Mancini has been looked after here very well by our board and they backed him well. He had 4 strikers at one point that made him the nevy of Europe, yet he plays a lone striker formation with Tevez dropping deeper. He has Kolarov on £100k a week doing next to fuck all. That's £10k a week more than RVP was paid at Arsenal last season.

Every club can point to a player earning more than he should. The board have backed him very well, and have received great results over the past three years.

I am sick to fucking death of excuses. We have a great squad, it needs a trim but some of that trimming is down to Mancini buys also. He hasn't been hard done to or anything like that.

Never suggested we have

Get the most out of what we have, look to stregthen but do so buy selling players we don't need. Dortumund have sold their best player the last 2 seasons on the trot, look how well they do.

I'm sure we'll be looking to do that regardless of the person in charge.

 

[NipHolmes]

I'm not claiming that Mancini is the only manager in the world with a 100% record in the transfer market. Just that for the £185m nett that we've spent over three years we've improved our squad out of sight.

Ok would you agree we need wide players?

So we let Bellamy go a free loan to Cardiff, great.

We need a 4th striker (I remember you bemoaning lack of replacement for Mario), isn't RSC on loan at Malaga? Surely that's an option?

My problem with Mancini is fundamnetally failing to get the best out of the entire sqaud. Many of our players perform less here than they did elsewhere.

People slaughter Wenger yet the guy has spent like £30m over last 5 years net, look at us and how much we spend! Some of the players who don't even start here were some of the best players at their former clubs, Dzeko and Nasri being most telling.

The problem is as it always is. Mancini. He has his favourites and won't be swayed, his way or the highway. Now that's great if you want a communist empire and fancy being a dictator but when you want players to play for you and to get the best out of them then you must big them up and make them feel wanted. Blaming them publicly and dropping them whilst in form (look at Dzeko last season and also this season) isn't gonna help.

All I hear is back him with funds. Malaga had the plug pulled on them by their owner and are still in the CL. They have a more balanced squad than us. Why is this? Why do their players play for Pellegrini and why is he getting the most out of what he has?

Mancini has been looked after here very well by our board and they backed him well. He had 4 strikers at one point that made him the nevy of Europe, yet he plays a lone striker formation with Tevez dropping deeper. He has Kolarov on £100k a week doing next to fuck all. That's £10k a week more than RVP was paid at Arsenal last season.

I am sick to fucking death of excuses. We have a great squad, it needs a trim but some of that trimming is down to Mancini buys also. He hasn't been hard done to or anything like that.

Get the most out of what we have, look to stregthen but do so buy selling players we don't need. Dortumund have sold their best player the last 2 seasons on the trot, look how well they do.

Sorry mate and no offence is intended but reading that i think you don't know what you want.

Your bemoaning the fact Bellamy isn't here and RSC is on loan, yet in the next breath saying we have a great squad!!

Who in this great squad then is letting us down? or is everything Mancini's fault?

Kolarov was brought here at a time we had fuck all in left backs and while he hasn't been the most successfull purchase he's good back up and can help change our formation. And what he earns compared to RVP last season is irrelevant, RVP wanted to be the main man and he wasn't going to be so chose scum.

And as for who is performing worse here than at their previous clubs i'm at a loss.

Dzeko suits a different style of play granted but has made a huge contribution to this and last season.

Nasri is probably the only one and i can't help thinking that lots of is detractors is due to his effort (or lack of) in the wall angainst the rags.

Last year we were lauded as playing the best football seen in the prem for years, we do it a certain way, one i and many others obviously enjoy. This season that style of play hasn't worked as well, yet we're 2nd and should make the semi finals of the FA cup so it's hardly as bad as some make out.

The rags are having the best ever season in the prem, what can we do about that apart from when we play them twice. Without injuries to Aguero, Kompany and Richards plus the ACN we'd be a lot closer.

It's our own bar thats been raised and this season we may fall slightly short but that doesn't mean we should chop and change for the sake of it.

It was also a bar Mancini set the levels at so i'd guess he'll be as disappointed as us!!

The owners set the benchmark by recruiting great players who can enable Mancini to get good results.

I never said RVP, I meant how is it possible we pay a LB more than last seasons top scorer! A Mancini buy!

We fell short because we tried and failed to implement a new formation (which he has taken from Juventus who won the Serie A, an Italian infatuation). which doesn't get the best out fo what we have.

I simply want a manager that gets the best out the squad. 4-3-3 is the formation of greats, Jose used it to great effect at Chelsea for the record let alone Barca and Ajax using it as their model. We need 2 wide attackers to partner Aguero with (Aguero will could be gone in next 18months so switch his name for Cavani most likely).

I want to do well in Europe. I wouldn't actually mind dropping out of the group, but third place was a minimum imo. I know many don't like the UEFA Cup but for me it's a great learning for the CL. Or are we too arrogant to consider it? A problem I find with English cllubs altogether.

 

[Comrade Buka]

Will someone let me know when this thread has come to a consensus?

 

[FantasyIreland]

Youre saying everything i want to Nip,keep up the good work....!

 

[inchy14]

Ok would you agree we need wide players?

So we let Bellamy go a free loan to Cardiff, great.

We need a 4th striker (I remember you bemoaning lack of replacement for Mario), isn't RSC on loan at Malaga? Surely that's an option?

My problem with Mancini is fundamnetally failing to get the best out of the entire sqaud. Many of our players perform less here than they did elsewhere.

People slaughter Wenger yet the guy has spent like £30m over last 5 years net, look at us and how much we spend! Some of the players who don't even start here were some of the best players at their former clubs, Dzeko and Nasri being most telling.

The problem is as it always is. Mancini. He has his favourites and won't be swayed, his way or the highway. Now that's great if you want a communist empire and fancy being a dictator but when you want players to play for you and to get the best out of them then you must big them up and make them feel wanted. Blaming them publicly and dropping them whilst in form (look at Dzeko last season and also this season) isn't gonna help.

All I hear is back him with funds. Malaga had the plug pulled on them by their owner and are still in the CL. They have a more balanced squad than us. Why is this? Why do their players play for Pellegrini and why is he getting the most out of what he has?

Mancini has been looked after here very well by our board and they backed him well. He had 4 strikers at one point that made him the nevy of Europe, yet he plays a lone striker formation with Tevez dropping deeper. He has Kolarov on £100k a week doing next to fuck all. That's £10k a week more than RVP was paid at Arsenal last season.
I am sick to fucking death of excuses. We have a great squad, it needs a trim but some of that trimming is down to Mancini buys also. He hasn't been hard done to or anything like that.

Get the most out of what we have, look to stregthen but do so buy selling players we don't need. Dortumund have sold their best player the last 2 seasons on the trot, look how well they do.

Sorry mate and no offence is intended but reading that i think you don't know what you want.

Your bemoaning the fact Bellamy isn't here and RSC is on loan, yet in the next breath saying we have a great squad!!

Who in this great squad then is letting us down? or is everything Mancini's fault?

Kolarov was brought here at a time we had fuck all in left backs and while he hasn't been the most successfull purchase he's good back up and can help change our formation. And what he earns compared to RVP last season is irrelevant, RVP wanted to be the main man and he wasn't going to be so chose scum.

And as for who is performing worse here than at their previous clubs i'm at a loss.

Dzeko suits a different style of play granted but has made a huge contribution to this and last season.

Nasri is probably the only one and i can't help thinking that lots of is detractors is due to his effort (or lack of) in the wall angainst the rags.

Last year we were lauded as playing the best football seen in the prem for years, we do it a certain way, one i and many others obviously enjoy. This season that style of play hasn't worked as well, yet we're 2nd and should make the semi finals of the FA cup so it's hardly as bad as some make out.

The rags are having the best ever season in the prem, what can we do about that apart from when we play them twice. Without injuries to Aguero, Kompany and Richards plus the ACN we'd be a lot closer.

It's our own bar thats been raised and this season we may fall slightly short but that doesn't mean we should chop and change for the sake of it.

It was also a bar Mancini set the levels at so i'd guess he'll be as disappointed as us!!

The owners set the benchmark by recruiting great players who can enable Mancini to get good results.

I never said RVP, I meant how is it possible we pay a LB more than last seasons top scorer! A Mancini buy!

We fell short because we tried and failed to implement a new formation (which he has taken from Juventus who won the Serie A, an Italian infatuation). which doesn't get the best out fo what we have.

I simply want a manager that gets the best out the squad. 4-3-3 is the formation of greats, Jose used it to great effect at Chelsea for the record let alone Barca and Ajax using it as their model. We need 2 wide attackers to partner Aguero with (Aguero will could be gone in next 18months so switch his name for Cavani most likely).

I want to do well in Europe. I wouldn't actually mind dropping out of the group, but third place was a minimum imo. I know many don't like the UEFA Cup but for me it's a great learning for the CL. Or are we too arrogant to consider it? A problem I find with English cllubs altogether.

Actually mate you did say RVP i've highlighted it for you.

He's got the best out of the squad, we're current champions.

The players have cost us in all the games we've lost, yet according to some on here it's all Mancini's fault.

I'd have taken the Europa league to, but you'll find a few of Mancini's detractors certainly didn't want the disruption it may cause.

I'll say it again, if scum weren't having an unbelievable season, which we can do fuck all about, there wouldn't be half as much complaining on this board as there is.

And finally seeing that you'd prefer Wenger or Pelligrini instead of Mancini, 2 managers who've won the total of fuck all in the past 8 seasons ( pelligrini has won fuck all period), tells me that this is more out of a personal dislike for Mancini than anything else.

At least Billy and DD would rather have Klopp or Mouriniho respectively.

 

[crystal_mais]

Sorry mate and no offence is intended but reading that i think you don't know what you want.

Your bemoaning the fact Bellamy isn't here and RSC is on loan, yet in the next breath saying we have a great squad!!

Who in this great squad then is letting us down? or is everything Mancini's fault?

Kolarov was brought here at a time we had fuck all in left backs and while he hasn't been the most successfull purchase he's good back up and can help change our formation. And what he earns compared to RVP last season is irrelevant, RVP wanted to be the main man and he wasn't going to be so chose scum.

And as for who is performing worse here than at their previous clubs i'm at a loss.

Dzeko suits a different style of play granted but has made a huge contribution to this and last season.

Nasri is probably the only one and i can't help thinking that lots of is detractors is due to his effort (or lack of) in the wall angainst the rags.

Last year we were lauded as playing the best football seen in the prem for years, we do it a certain way, one i and many others obviously enjoy. This season that style of play hasn't worked as well, yet we're 2nd and should make the semi finals of the FA cup so it's hardly as bad as some make out.

The rags are having the best ever season in the prem, what can we do about that apart from when we play them twice. Without injuries to Aguero, Kompany and Richards plus the ACN we'd be a lot closer.

It's our own bar thats been raised and this season we may fall slightly short but that doesn't mean we should chop and change for the sake of it.

It was also a bar Mancini set the levels at so i'd guess he'll be as disappointed as us!!

The owners set the benchmark by recruiting great players who can enable Mancini to get good results.

I never said RVP, I meant how is it possible we pay a LB more than last seasons top scorer! A Mancini buy!

We fell short because we tried and failed to implement a new formation (which he has taken from Juventus who won the Serie A, an Italian infatuation). which doesn't get the best out fo what we have.

I simply want a manager that gets the best out the squad. 4-3-3 is the formation of greats, Jose used it to great effect at Chelsea for the record let alone Barca and Ajax using it as their model. We need 2 wide attackers to partner Aguero with (Aguero will could be gone in next 18months so switch his name for Cavani most likely).

I want to do well in Europe. I wouldn't actually mind dropping out of the group, but third place was a minimum imo. I know many don't like the UEFA Cup but for me it's a great learning for the CL. Or are we too arrogant to consider it? A problem I find with English cllubs altogether.

Actually mate you did say RVP i've highlighted it for you.

He's got the best out of the squad, we're current champions.

The players have cost us in all the games we've lost, yet according to some on here it's all Mancini's fault.

I'd have taken the Europa league to, but you'll find a few of Mancini's detractors certainly didn't want the disruption it may cause.

I'll say it again, if scum weren't having an unbelievable season, which we can do fuck all about, there wouldn't be half as much complaining on this board as there is.

And finally seeing that you'd prefer Wenger or Pelligrini instead of Mancini, 2 managers who've won the total of fuck all in the past 8 seasons ( pelligrini has won fuck all period), tells me that this is more out of a personal dislike for Mancini than anything else.

At least Billy and DD would rather have Klopp or Mouriniho respectively.

The Scum had an unbelievably great season last season. Surely that's no fluke - or put it differently Fergie knows how to get the best from his players and how to win this league in terms of the stye of football.

Remember this we beat the scum twice last season - the 2 wins against them were the difference between winning or losing the league last season. They accumulated more points overall in all games bar the Derby's last season

We need to raise the bar somewhat and stay at that level. At the moment Players or Manager - we're not doing it