Mancini out? (merged)

[LoveCity]

Mancini gets the best out of defensive style players (Kompany, Zabaleta, Richards, Lescott some good examples) but I don't think he gets the best out of attacking players on a consistent basis. Aguero, Silva, Dzeko, Nasri, Balotelli have all underachieved for a big % of their City stay. Even last season Aguero wasn't at his very best which most expected to come this season. Potentially he is the closest thing out there to Messi and is a better footballer than Suarez. We've seen Silva's best for around 8 months or so of his near 3 year stay so far. It doesn't surprise me though as Mancini is a traditional Italian coach and his style is often very cautious, asking attacking players to track back, etc., at the expense of their attacking game.

 

[NipHolmes]

Sorry mate and no offence is intended but reading that i think you don't know what you want.

Your bemoaning the fact Bellamy isn't here and RSC is on loan, yet in the next breath saying we have a great squad!!

Who in this great squad then is letting us down? or is everything Mancini's fault?

Kolarov was brought here at a time we had fuck all in left backs and while he hasn't been the most successfull purchase he's good back up and can help change our formation. And what he earns compared to RVP last season is irrelevant, RVP wanted to be the main man and he wasn't going to be so chose scum.

And as for who is performing worse here than at their previous clubs i'm at a loss.

Dzeko suits a different style of play granted but has made a huge contribution to this and last season.

Nasri is probably the only one and i can't help thinking that lots of is detractors is due to his effort (or lack of) in the wall angainst the rags.

Last year we were lauded as playing the best football seen in the prem for years, we do it a certain way, one i and many others obviously enjoy. This season that style of play hasn't worked as well, yet we're 2nd and should make the semi finals of the FA cup so it's hardly as bad as some make out.

The rags are having the best ever season in the prem, what can we do about that apart from when we play them twice. Without injuries to Aguero, Kompany and Richards plus the ACN we'd be a lot closer.

It's our own bar thats been raised and this season we may fall slightly short but that doesn't mean we should chop and change for the sake of it.

It was also a bar Mancini set the levels at so i'd guess he'll be as disappointed as us!!

The owners set the benchmark by recruiting great players who can enable Mancini to get good results.

I never said RVP, I meant how is it possible we pay a LB more than last seasons top scorer! A Mancini buy!

We fell short because we tried and failed to implement a new formation (which he has taken from Juventus who won the Serie A, an Italian infatuation). which doesn't get the best out fo what we have.

I simply want a manager that gets the best out the squad. 4-3-3 is the formation of greats, Jose used it to great effect at Chelsea for the record let alone Barca and Ajax using it as their model. We need 2 wide attackers to partner Aguero with (Aguero will could be gone in next 18months so switch his name for Cavani most likely).

I want to do well in Europe. I wouldn't actually mind dropping out of the group, but third place was a minimum imo. I know many don't like the UEFA Cup but for me it's a great learning for the CL. Or are we too arrogant to consider it? A problem I find with English cllubs altogether.

Actually mate you did say RVP i've highlighted it for you.

He's got the best out of the squad, we're current champions.

The players have cost us in all the games we've lost, yet according to some on here it's all Mancini's fault.

I'd have taken the Europa league to, but you'll find a few of Mancini's detractors certainly didn't want the disruption it may cause.

I'll say it again, if scum weren't having an unbelievable season, which we can do fuck all about, there wouldn't be half as much complaining on this board as there is.

And finally seeing that you'd prefer Wenger or Pelligrini instead of Mancini, 2 managers who've won the total of fuck all in the past 8 seasons ( pelligrini has won fuck all period), tells me that this is more out of a personal dislike for Mancini than anything else.

At least Billy and DD would rather have Klopp or Mouriniho respectively.

I compared wages, I never said we should have got him. You got wrong end of stick. I mentioned RVP because of his wages. We pay a 2nd LB more than last years top scorer and Arsenals best player. That says it all. A luxury buy by Mancini and yet he has the cheek to moan about not being backed.

Dzeko could be argued as a luxury buy too when we had Adebayor on the books. Not much between them, certainly not enough to warrant going out and paying £27m and £120kpw+ for a player we didn't really need.

You'll find that I made a fair few posts saying Jose and Klopp over anyone else.

One post I made very recently went like this.

'We should aim for elite manager;
Klopp,
Jose,
Del Bosque,

If we cannot attract these then we go to the tier blow;
Simeone,
Pelegrini,'

So in regards to your bottom sentence you can scrub that.

For me I want Klopp most because I think he's great. Jose too but there is a friction between him and our board and also our fans made it clear they don't fancy him. Wrong imo but such is life.

Del Bosque has won everything and has great experience.

After that we talk about two coaches who get the most out of their players. Pelegrini and Simeone (just signed new contract and no irrelevant). Pellegrini signed up for a City type project with Malaga but their funds stopped and it hasn't come off. It's a punt don't get me wrong. The first 3 mentioned are absolutely step ups and the creme of the worlds best managers.

Pelegrini was mighty unlucky not to finish top with Real btw, look what he did with Villareal too. I get your point and that's why it's a punt but seriously, the faults with you if you don't rate him as a coach (no offense intended).

P.S, What have United got to do with us being shit v Ajax over 2 legs? Or what have they to do with us crashing out to Villa in the CC?

-- Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:56 pm --

Mancini gets the best out of defensive style players (Kompany, Zabaleta, Richards, Lescott some good examples) but I don't think he gets the best out of attacking players on a consistent basis. Aguero, Silva, Dzeko, Nasri, Balotelli have all underachieved for a big % of their City stay. Even last season Aguero wasn't at his very best which most expected to come this season. Potentially he is the closest thing out there to Messi and is a better footballer than Suarez. We've seen Silva's best for around 8 months or so of his near 3 year stay so far. It doesn't surprise me though as Mancini is a traditional Italian coach and his style is often very cautious, asking attacking players to track back, etc., at the expense of their attacking game.

Look at my posts, identical logic there so I tip my hat and say great opinion/post ;)

 

[Rolee]

Mancini doesn't get the best out of attacking players?

The examples of Nasri and Dzeko are fair enough.

But the likes of Silva, Yaya and Tevez have played arguably the best football of their careers under Mancini.

 

[blueinsa]

Mancini doesn't get the best out of attacking players?

The examples of Nasri and Dzeko are fair enough.

But the likes of Silva, Yaya and Tevez have played arguably the best football of their careers under Mancini.

Not consistently though or nearly enough given their talent.

You watch us sometimes with a smile on your face and think, fuck me we are that good yet at times, its as though the whole side has had a full frontal lobotomy.

I never get the feeling that the squad and manager are as one, instead i see individuals turning it on and grabbing us the points rather than consistent, great team displays.

 

[inchy14]

The owners set the benchmark by recruiting great players who can enable Mancini to get good results.

I never said RVP, I meant how is it possible we pay a LB more than last seasons top scorer! A Mancini buy!

We fell short because we tried and failed to implement a new formation (which he has taken from Juventus who won the Serie A, an Italian infatuation). which doesn't get the best out fo what we have.

I simply want a manager that gets the best out the squad. 4-3-3 is the formation of greats, Jose used it to great effect at Chelsea for the record let alone Barca and Ajax using it as their model. We need 2 wide attackers to partner Aguero with (Aguero will could be gone in next 18months so switch his name for Cavani most likely).

I want to do well in Europe. I wouldn't actually mind dropping out of the group, but third place was a minimum imo. I know many don't like the UEFA Cup but for me it's a great learning for the CL. Or are we too arrogant to consider it? A problem I find with English cllubs altogether.

Actually mate you did say RVP i've highlighted it for you.

He's got the best out of the squad, we're current champions.

The players have cost us in all the games we've lost, yet according to some on here it's all Mancini's fault.

I'd have taken the Europa league to, but you'll find a few of Mancini's detractors certainly didn't want the disruption it may cause.

I'll say it again, if scum weren't having an unbelievable season, which we can do fuck all about, there wouldn't be half as much complaining on this board as there is.

And finally seeing that you'd prefer Wenger or Pelligrini instead of Mancini, 2 managers who've won the total of fuck all in the past 8 seasons ( pelligrini has won fuck all period), tells me that this is more out of a personal dislike for Mancini than anything else.

At least Billy and DD would rather have Klopp or Mouriniho respectively.

I compared wages, I never said we should have got him. You got wrong end of stick. I mentioned RVP because of his wages. We pay a 2nd LB more than last years top scorer and Arsenals best player.

We paid what was necessary to get to the next stage.[/color]

That says it all. A luxury buy by Mancini and yet he has the cheek to moan about not being backed.

He may have a point in the last window though,

Dzeko could be argued as a luxury buy too when we had Adebayor on the books. Not much between them, certainly not enough to warrant going out and paying £27m and £120kpw+ for a player we didn't really need.

Dzeko has produced a damn site more than Adebayor, without causing half as much disruption, and remind me how well Ade is doing at spurs.You'll find that I made a fair few posts saying Jose and Klopp over anyone else.

One post I made very recently went like this.

'We should aim for elite manager;
Klopp,
Jose,
Del Bosque,

If we cannot attract these then we go to the tier blow;
Simeone,
Pelegrini,'

So you're saying Mancini is in the bracket below these now?

So in regards to your bottom sentence you can scrub that.

For me I want Klopp most because I think he's great. Jose too but there is a friction between him and our board and also our fans made it clear they don't fancy him. Wrong imo but such is life.

Del Bosque has won everything and has great experience.

After that we talk about two coaches who get the most out of their players. Pelegrini and Simeone (just signed new contract and no irrelevant). Pellegrini signed up for a City type project with Malaga but their funds stopped and it hasn't come off. It's a punt don't get me wrong. The first 3 mentioned are absolutely step ups and the creme of the worlds best managers.

Pelegrini was mighty unlucky not to finish top with Real btw,

But didn't.

look what he did with Villareal too. I get your point and that's why it's a punt but seriously, the faults with you if you don't rate him as a coach (no offense intended).

P.S, What have United got to do with us being shit v Ajax over 2 legs? Or what have they to do with us crashing out to Villa in the CC?
The same united that lost at home last season to Ajax?
-- Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:56 pm --

Mancini gets the best out of defensive style players (Kompany, Zabaleta, Richards, Lescott some good examples) but I don't think he gets the best out of attacking players on a consistent basis. Aguero, Silva, Dzeko, Nasri, Balotelli have all underachieved for a big % of their City stay.

How many did we score last season?

Even last season Aguero wasn't at his very best which most expected to come this season. Potentially he is the closest thing out there to Messi and is a better footballer than Suarez. We've seen Silva's best for around 8 months or so of his near 3 year stay so far. It doesn't surprise me though as Mancini is a traditional Italian coach and his style is often very cautious, asking attacking players to track back, etc., at the expense of their attacking game.

Look at my posts, identical logic there so I tip my hat and say great opinion/post ;)

End of the day, no matter who you want to replace Mancini, apart from Mouriniho (who most wouldn't want) all the others are huge risks as they haven't managed in the prem and some haven't managed outside there own respective leagues.

We've got a winner in charge who i feel deserves another season to put right his european aspirations.

 

[LoveCity]

Mancini doesn't get the best out of attacking players?

The examples of Nasri and Dzeko are fair enough.

But the likes of Silva, Yaya and Tevez have played arguably the best football of their careers under Mancini.

Not consistently though or nearly enough given their talent.

You watch us sometimes with a smile on your face and think, fuck me we are that good yet at times, its as though the whole side has had a full frontal lobotomy.

I never get the feeling that the squad and manager are as one, instead i see individuals turning it on and grabbing us the points rather than consistent, great team displays.

Yup, absolutely this. Just look at Bayern yesterday (or more relevant, either Dortmund or Ajax, the latter of whom have a HUGELY inferior squad to us yet took 4pts from us because of tactics + teamwork + work ethic) to see how far we have to catch up as a TEAM. We have many outstanding individuals but our teamwork and coherency as a whole is lacking compared to most of Europe's top sides - including United who we generally have better players than yet look at our season vs. their season.

 

[Rolee]

Mancini doesn't get the best out of attacking players?

The examples of Nasri and Dzeko are fair enough.

But the likes of Silva, Yaya and Tevez have played arguably the best football of their careers under Mancini.

Not consistently though or nearly enough given their talent.

You watch us sometimes with a smile on your face and think, fuck me we are that good yet at times, its as though the whole side has had a full frontal lobotomy.

I never get the feeling that the squad and manager are as one, instead i see individuals turning it on and grabbing us the points rather than consistent, great team displays.

Fair enough but I don't believe that's down to Mancini's system or tactics, I think it's more to do with motivation, which is of course Mancini's responsibility too.

 

[blueinsa]

Mancini doesn't get the best out of attacking players?

The examples of Nasri and Dzeko are fair enough.

But the likes of Silva, Yaya and Tevez have played arguably the best football of their careers under Mancini.

Not consistently though or nearly enough given their talent.

You watch us sometimes with a smile on your face and think, fuck me we are that good yet at times, its as though the whole side has had a full frontal lobotomy.

I never get the feeling that the squad and manager are as one, instead i see individuals turning it on and grabbing us the points rather than consistent, great team displays.

Yup, absolutely this. Just look at Bayern yesterday to see how far we have to catch up as a TEAM. We have many outstanding individuals but our teamwork and coherency as a whole is lacking compared to most of Europe's top sides - including United who we generally have better players than yet look at our season vs. their season.

One word mate, "Mentality".

Our squad lacks it consistently and so does Bob.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

End of the day, no matter who you want to replace Mancini, apart from Mouriniho (who most wouldn't want)

Laughable comment. Half a dozen loudmouths on this forum do represent "most".

The overwhelming majority of City fans, if Mancini went, would love Mourinho in charge and would have him as their number one choice.

 

[Aguero_Element]

fuck mourinho

fuck mancini haters

fuck YOU

 

[Scareye]

End of the day, no matter who you want to replace Mancini, apart from Mouriniho (who most wouldn't want)

Laughable comment. Half a dozen loudmouths on this forum do represent "most".

The overwhelming majority of City fans, if Mancini went, would love Mourinho in charge and would have him as their number one choice.

Indeed, and quite a few of us would sack Mancini tomorrow if we were assured of getting Mourinho.

 

[Rolee]

End of the day, no matter who you want to replace Mancini, apart from Mouriniho (who most wouldn't want)

Laughable comment. Half a dozen loudmouths on this forum do represent "most".

The overwhelming majority of City fans, if Mancini went, would love Mourinho in charge and would have him as their number one choice.

I'm not saying one way or t'other if that's true but how do you know this?

 

[r.soleofsalford]

anyone who wants mancini out is a fucking prick




probably just pissed off at your life so you wanna take it out on someone the press are trying to vindicate




glad u are stuck behinf a computer and cant really make it out in thw real world

If I thought Bob was doing a fantastic job and was worthy of my full support I`d have to reconsider, because, after reading this I wouldnt want to be associated with anything so lame as your post

 

[blueinsa]

fuck mourinho

fuck mancini haters

fuck YOU

You need to calm down and take a break from here imo.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

fuck mourinho

fuck mancini haters

fuck YOU

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[BluePurgatory]

End of the day, no matter who you want to replace Mancini, apart from Mouriniho (who most wouldn't want)

Laughable comment. Half a dozen loudmouths on this forum do represent "most".

The overwhelming majority of City fans, if Mancini went, would love Mourinho in charge and would have him as their number one choice.

Prove it!

 

[Didsbury Dave]

fuck mourinho

fuck mancini haters

fuck YOU

An interesting, insightful, thoughtful and well structured piece of critical analysis on the debate at hand. Balanced, fair and thought-provoking.

 

[inchy14]

End of the day, no matter who you want to replace Mancini, apart from Mouriniho (who most wouldn't want)

Laughable comment. Half a dozen loudmouths on this forum do represent "most".

The overwhelming majority of City fans, if Mancini went, would love Mourinho in charge and would have him as their number one choice.

Dave i've mentioned this before, i go in a minibus everyweek with the same 8 guys, now while i know we're not talking for everyone, not 1, not 1 of us wants him. In fact none of us want Mancini replacing..

Now while that may not sit nicely with your view of the situation, it shows that it isn't the overwhelming majority who do want him.

 

[markbmcfc]

End of the day, no matter who you want to replace Mancini, apart from Mouriniho (who most wouldn't want)

Laughable comment. Half a dozen loudmouths on this forum do represent "most".

The overwhelming majority of City fans, if Mancini went, would love Mourinho in charge and would have him as their number one choice.

Out of interest Dave....

If Mourinho did come in and in three years time had the same record as Mancini, would you want him replaced or want to keep him?

 

[bernabias home shirt]

End of the day, no matter who you want to replace Mancini, apart from Mouriniho (who most wouldn't want)

Laughable comment. Half a dozen loudmouths on this forum do represent "most".

The overwhelming majority of City fans, if Mancini went, would love Mourinho in charge and would have him as their number one choice.

So you think only 6 posters on here dont want mourinho?

And on another note i would say the majority of bluemoon and the majority of city fans want mancini to stay,and only half a dozen loudmouths on here want him gone.