Mancini - Out of his depth

[Tuart76]

This is something i've read numerous times over the last few days on here. It's only fair to add a little balance here and there, and it's only fair to point out that that statement is quite ridiculous...

Time for a little history...


He won the Coppa Italia with Fiorentina who were on the verge of bankruptcy, despite not even having the necessary coaching badges to take the job in the first place. The achievement was special considering Fiorentina were a very poor side who had lost it's best players.


He moved to Lazio where he worked under similar financial hardship at a team who were trying to recover from Eriksson's lavish spending spree. Despite Lazio losing some of their best players, Mancini took them to the semi's of the Uefa Cup and the following season he won the Coppa Italia again and led Lazio to the Champions League.



Inter hadn't won a trophy for 15 years. They appointed Mancini. In his first season he again won the Coppa Italia. Inter finished 3rd in the league, and actually only lost 2 games during the entire season. When people on here talk about Mancini sending teams out to 'not lose' they are probably right, but it's an important part of creating a successful mentality. A team cannot go from being inconsistent, to winning every game, regardless of how much money is spent.



He started off the next season by winning the Italian Super Cup, which is the equivalent of the Community Shield. He also won the Coppa Italia for a 4th time. This is the season where the league title was handed to them following the match fixing scandal. Inter again finished 3rd, but were awarded the Serie A title after Juventus and Milan were deducted points for match fixing.


Now the following season is where it gets interesting. There seems to be a misconception that the title was again plainly just handed to Inter, but that isn't true. Juventus were relegated and that in turn allowed Inter to buy Ibrahimovic, but that shouldn't take away from the fact that Inter walked the league, They finished with 97 points, 22 points in front of 2nd place Roma (who weren't deducted any points) and 36 points in front of AC Milan who were only deducted 8 points. During the season Mancini lead Inter on a 17 match winning streak (in the league). Even with Juventus in the league, it's hard to argue against Inter winning the title. Mancini also lead them to the Coppa Italia final where they lost to Roma.


2007-2008 was his last season in charge. Juventus had gained promotion back to Serie A. Inter won the league again finishing 3 points ahead of Roma, despite holding an 11 point lead halfway through the season. Form dipped a little, but picked up again in time for them to win their 3rd title in a row. Again there was no points deductions for any of the top teams.


Mancini again lead Inter to the Coppa Italia final where they again lost to Roma.


The reason Mancini was sacked was down to their European form. In each of the 4 seasons they made it out of the group stages, but lost in the knockout rounds to AC Milan, Villareal, Valencia and Liverpool. He reached the last 8 twice.


All in all Mancini lost a total of 13 Serie A games out 142. He took them to the Italian Cup Final in each of his seasons there. He won it twice with Inter, and also won it with Lazio and Fiorentina. He broke the record for consecutive wins in a top 5 league in Europe by leading Inter to 17 straight league wins. Inter also went just over 1 year unbeaten in the league with Mancini in charge. He has never failed to qualify for Europe in his 9 seasons as manager.


He's 45 years old. He has 3 Scudetto's (2 of which were won outright...regardless of point deductions). He has 4 Coppa Italia's and 2 Italian Super Cups. He also has 2 Coppa Italia runners-up medals and two Italian Super Cup runners up medals. He's also qualified for the Champions League with two very different teams. He's more than qualified to make us his 3rd.


Saying he is out of his depth is not only factually incorrect, it's also quite daft. This man will lead us to glory. We need to be patient.
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Spot on with your post -cant stand all the negative press etc aswell -utd fans sticking thier oare in - but they seem to forget that they was gettin increasing frustrated with Fergie in 89 -what a mistake that would have been !

PATIENCE IS THE KEY

 

[gooney]

And Scolari won the world cup and look how he did at chelsea. Ramos was seen as the next big thing in Spanish football and had success with Seville, look how he did at spurs

 

[Bluebee2]

This is something i've read numerous times over the last few days on here. It's only fair to add a little balance here and there, and it's only fair to point out that that statement is quite ridiculous...

Time for a little history...


He won the Coppa Italia with Fiorentina who were on the verge of bankruptcy, despite not even having the necessary coaching badges to take the job in the first place. The achievement was special considering Fiorentina were a very poor side who had lost it's best players.


He moved to Lazio where he worked under similar financial hardship at a team who were trying to recover from Eriksson's lavish spending spree. Despite Lazio losing some of their best players, Mancini took them to the semi's of the Uefa Cup and the following season he won the Coppa Italia again and led Lazio to the Champions League.



Inter hadn't won a trophy for 15 years. They appointed Mancini. In his first season he again won the Coppa Italia. Inter finished 3rd in the league, and actually only lost 2 games during the entire season. When people on here talk about Mancini sending teams out to 'not lose' they are probably right, but it's an important part of creating a successful mentality. A team cannot go from being inconsistent, to winning every game, regardless of how much money is spent.



He started off the next season by winning the Italian Super Cup, which is the equivalent of the Community Shield. He also won the Coppa Italia for a 4th time. This is the season where the league title was handed to them following the match fixing scandal. Inter again finished 3rd, but were awarded the Serie A title after Juventus and Milan were deducted points for match fixing.


Now the following season is where it gets interesting. There seems to be a misconception that the title was again plainly just handed to Inter, but that isn't true. Juventus were relegated and that in turn allowed Inter to buy Ibrahimovic, but that shouldn't take away from the fact that Inter walked the league, They finished with 97 points, 22 points in front of 2nd place Roma (who weren't deducted any points) and 36 points in front of AC Milan who were only deducted 8 points. During the season Mancini lead Inter on a 17 match winning streak (in the league). Even with Juventus in the league, it's hard to argue against Inter winning the title. Mancini also lead them to the Coppa Italia final where they lost to Roma.


2007-2008 was his last season in charge. Juventus had gained promotion back to Serie A. Inter won the league again finishing 3 points ahead of Roma, despite holding an 11 point lead halfway through the season. Form dipped a little, but picked up again in time for them to win their 3rd title in a row. Again there was no points deductions for any of the top teams.


Mancini again lead Inter to the Coppa Italia final where they again lost to Roma.


The reason Mancini was sacked was down to their European form. In each of the 4 seasons they made it out of the group stages, but lost in the knockout rounds to AC Milan, Villareal, Valencia and Liverpool. He reached the last 8 twice.


All in all Mancini lost a total of 13 Serie A games out 142. He took them to the Italian Cup Final in each of his seasons there. He won it twice with Inter, and also won it with Lazio and Fiorentina. He broke the record for consecutive wins in a top 5 league in Europe by leading Inter to 17 straight league wins. Inter also went just over 1 year unbeaten in the league with Mancini in charge. He has never failed to qualify for Europe in his 9 seasons as manager.


He's 45 years old. He has 3 Scudetto's (2 of which were won outright...regardless of point deductions). He has 4 Coppa Italia's and 2 Italian Super Cups. He also has 2 Coppa Italia runners-up medals and two Italian Super Cup runners up medals. He's also qualified for the Champions League with two very different teams. He's more than qualified to make us his 3rd.


Saying he is out of his depth is not only factually incorrect, it's also quite daft. This man will lead us to glory. We need to be patient.
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Spot on with your post -cant stand all the negative press etc aswell -utd fans sticking thier oare in - but they seem to forget that they was gettin increasing frustrated with Fergie in 89 -what a mistake that would have been !

PATIENCE IS THE KEY

You need to learn how to spell Tueart !

 

[rickyyt]

As interesting as the OP is...

That list of achievements is what Mancini accomplished in the past...in Italy...

Since he came to us he is yet to even learn how to speak the language properly, his English isn't as fluent as his fellow managers (yes its better than my Italian, but thats not the point) Ancelotti's english is superb and it must make it so much easier for everyone involved.

Mancini had no experience of the league when he joined us (I know Ancelotti didn't either, but he inherited a better squad than ours)

We missed out on fourth with Mancini (yes he wasn't there a full season) but nonetheless we still missed out, and so far this season we've lost to sunderland, drawn with blackburn (at home) and been knocked out of the Carling Cup. (Yes we're fourth but those results are disappointing)

I don't dislike Mancini, I'm desperate for him to succeed because in my opinion getting in another manager will set us back even further and mean yet another overhaul of the entire squad and once again delay any chance of us winning anything.

I want Mancini to be the man to bring us success, but, whilst he may not be out of his depth, he hasn't exactly shown he's quite the genius some people seem to think he is.

Whether Mancini is a success or not will be determined at the end of the season, in the meantime people are entitled to observe/comment/criticise depending on how results go. To go out in the first round (we played) in a Cup competition is disappointing, but now its how the rest of the season goes that is important and hopefully Mancini has it in his locker to Manage us to victory.

Do you think we've moved forward from last year and the one before?
I think our style of play and club ethos have moved forward more than expected under mancini. Also we've got about 4 world class players we've not seen anything of yet!

 

[lancs blue]

Out of his depth ? For a man who promised 70 points and top 4 he's failed twice. He also took charge of a semi-final team and lost that, and his next knock-out cup guess what, Knocked -out. He's a serial loser, get rid now!

Seeing as you've clearly unlocked the secret of time travel shouldn't you be on the phone to Max Clifford instead of posting on here?

 

[Bluebee2]

Out of his depth ? For a man who promised 70 points and top 4 he's failed twice. He also took charge of a semi-final team and lost that, and his next knock-out cup guess what, Knocked -out. He's a serial loser, get rid now!

Seeing as you've clearly unlocked the secret of time travel shouldn't you be on the phone to Max Clifford instead of posting on here?

Top 4 or 70 points need not mean the same thing, he promised both and failed as you have in you attempt to mock me. Get real and ask why Mancini is a failure.

 

[Skashion]

I think Mancini's greatest achievement with City to date is this:

09/10 Premier League

Hughes

Games = 17
Goals scored per game = 1.94
Goals conceded per game = 1.59

Mancini

Games = 21
Goals scored per game = 1.90 (Everyone talks about how negative he is but it's 0.04 goals per game more negative, or 1.5 goals over an entire season).
Goals conceded = 0.85

He almost halved our goals conceded with zero defensive additions whilst almost exactly equalling Hughes' scoring record. Now, in the event, due to being too timid at home against the likes of the rags, Liverpool and Spurs, the difference only amounted to about four points over an entire season - though those points might well have got us in the Champions League. What I am expecting, when we have Boateng, Kolarov and Balotelli back from injury, and Silva playing regularly, is that timidity, lack of chances, and chances missed, will fall away whilst our defence will remain just as solid, meaning a significant increase in points over a small period of time. If I'm wrong on Mancini's head be it but it's far too early to get Mancini out when he hasn't had even the sniff of a chance to implement a similar style of play to that which has brought Chelsea success.

 

[lancs blue]

Seeing as you've clearly unlocked the secret of time travel shouldn't you be on the phone to Max Clifford instead of posting on here?

Top 4 or 70 points need not mean the same thing, he promised both and failed as you have in you attempt to mock me. Get real and ask why Mancini is a failure.

I can't ask that because I don't consider him a failure.

 

[Bluebee2]

Top 4 or 70 points need not mean the same thing, he promised both and failed as you have in you attempt to mock me. Get real and ask why Mancini is a failure.

I can't ask that because I don't consider him a failure.

He promised 70 points and 4th place and achieved neither, so you consider that a success, well sir i don't. Failure x 2.

 

[ono]

And Scolari won the world cup and look how he did at chelsea. Ramos was seen as the next big thing in Spanish football and had success with Seville, look how he did at spurs

You could argue that neither were given adequate time....<br /><br />-- Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:55 pm --<br /><br />

This is something i've read numerous times over the last few days on here. It's only fair to add a little balance here and there, and it's only fair to point out that that statement is quite ridiculous...

Time for a little history...


He won the Coppa Italia with Fiorentina who were on the verge of bankruptcy, despite not even having the necessary coaching badges to take the job in the first place. The achievement was special considering Fiorentina were a very poor side who had lost it's best players.


He moved to Lazio where he worked under similar financial hardship at a team who were trying to recover from Eriksson's lavish spending spree. Despite Lazio losing some of their best players, Mancini took them to the semi's of the Uefa Cup and the following season he won the Coppa Italia again and led Lazio to the Champions League.



Inter hadn't won a trophy for 15 years. They appointed Mancini. In his first season he again won the Coppa Italia. Inter finished 3rd in the league, and actually only lost 2 games during the entire season. When people on here talk about Mancini sending teams out to 'not lose' they are probably right, but it's an important part of creating a successful mentality. A team cannot go from being inconsistent, to winning every game, regardless of how much money is spent.



He started off the next season by winning the Italian Super Cup, which is the equivalent of the Community Shield. He also won the Coppa Italia for a 4th time. This is the season where the league title was handed to them following the match fixing scandal. Inter again finished 3rd, but were awarded the Serie A title after Juventus and Milan were deducted points for match fixing.


Now the following season is where it gets interesting. There seems to be a misconception that the title was again plainly just handed to Inter, but that isn't true. Juventus were relegated and that in turn allowed Inter to buy Ibrahimovic, but that shouldn't take away from the fact that Inter walked the league, They finished with 97 points, 22 points in front of 2nd place Roma (who weren't deducted any points) and 36 points in front of AC Milan who were only deducted 8 points. During the season Mancini lead Inter on a 17 match winning streak (in the league). Even with Juventus in the league, it's hard to argue against Inter winning the title. Mancini also lead them to the Coppa Italia final where they lost to Roma.


2007-2008 was his last season in charge. Juventus had gained promotion back to Serie A. Inter won the league again finishing 3 points ahead of Roma, despite holding an 11 point lead halfway through the season. Form dipped a little, but picked up again in time for them to win their 3rd title in a row. Again there was no points deductions for any of the top teams.


Mancini again lead Inter to the Coppa Italia final where they again lost to Roma.


The reason Mancini was sacked was down to their European form. In each of the 4 seasons they made it out of the group stages, but lost in the knockout rounds to AC Milan, Villareal, Valencia and Liverpool. He reached the last 8 twice.


All in all Mancini lost a total of 13 Serie A games out 142. He took them to the Italian Cup Final in each of his seasons there. He won it twice with Inter, and also won it with Lazio and Fiorentina. He broke the record for consecutive wins in a top 5 league in Europe by leading Inter to 17 straight league wins. Inter also went just over 1 year unbeaten in the league with Mancini in charge. He has never failed to qualify for Europe in his 9 seasons as manager.


He's 45 years old. He has 3 Scudetto's (2 of which were won outright...regardless of point deductions). He has 4 Coppa Italia's and 2 Italian Super Cups. He also has 2 Coppa Italia runners-up medals and two Italian Super Cup runners up medals. He's also qualified for the Champions League with two very different teams. He's more than qualified to make us his 3rd.


Saying he is out of his depth is not only factually incorrect, it's also quite daft. This man will lead us to glory. We need to be patient.

Just because a manager had success in the past doesnt mean he will have success every time he moves to a new club. Managers are like players, sometimes they fail, not because they lack the ability, but the move just doesnt work out for them. Judge him on whats he's doing now and not what he has done in the past which has no meaning

But surely it's an indicator of how successful he can be if he's given time.