Mancini - we support you thread.

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Now where is that fucking "tenure" thread?

It should have been strangled at birth for being an abomination, but the fucking tenure thread is still hanging around these parts like a third rate travelling circus. All the clowns can still be found in residence there. And we ain't seen nothing yet, it being Friday night. Only thing worse than a Mancini-bashing clown is a pissed up Mancini-bashing clown.

I can't do a great deal of posting in the week.

Having a beer myself this friday evening, so this shall be very much Pro-Mancini beer posts from myself.

 

[simon23]

So Sinclair and Garcia have to wait until next season ?

in the pivotal role that garcia plays I dont think he is anywhere near upto speed/good enough at present so yes i dont thinkn he should be played unless it in games where we are already comfortable

in sinclairs role we can afford to bring him through slowly and hopefully he will improve

for most games/big games etc i would play this team always

hart

richards/zabba kompany lescott clichy

barry rodwell/milner

silva yaya

aguero tevez

I dont like the fact that we have to play barry and rodwell/milner together but after selling NDJ then we dont have a choice...garcia isnt up to speed and yaya is wasted back there.....

silva has to play which is unfortunate for nasri (though he could be rotated with tevez or aguero or even rodwell/milner (if we are chasing a game)

aguero and tevez are a best bet upfront at the moment ( i know this is hard on dzeko but he is simply not consistent enough in his al round game)

your doing a fair bit of rotation yourself there fella, like it or not it is a squad game, the players need to start performing more consistently especially the defenders and dm's

yeah but they along with balo are the only players i would rotate with......the defense needs to stay the same (baring injury) as it was......and the back 3 idea should be dropped immediately (as should the zonal defense on corners...this is not a recent opinion of mine btw...i use to laugh at liverpool when rafa benitez had them playing it for a while and we look as vulnerable as them when they played it!!)

the big diffference at the moment is yaya playing deeper...that effects his ability to attack and he is not that great defensively at all....therefore the should be a shielding two of barry and either rodwell or milner...this allows yaya firther forward and we are not relying no him to get back quickly (which he cannt always do) as milner is good defensively as is barry....this is whre i believe mancini has got it wrong at the moment......

as for the attackers...well we have 4 quality strikers so yes its a squad game and yes they can be rotated along with silva, nasri and sinclair...but as i said...for the big games the above would always be my core of players

-- Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:34 pm --

I think rotation's entirely feasible without upsetting too many player...

Tevez/Aguero/Dzeko (2 of 3) can be rotated fairly well. Balotelli MUST take 4th place I'm afraid. I'd almost be tempted to sell him, and have Guidetti as 4th.
Silva / Nasri can be rotated, or played together if we're going for more attack.
Garcia / Toure / Barry / Milner / Rodwell / Sinclair is the problem area, that's a lot to try and rotate, esp when Toure is virtually nailed on the team sheet. Mancini probably wants to phase out Barry due to age, but is caught in the catch 22 situation of 'every game is difficult' - and needing Barry but wanting to give Rodwell a run out. Sinclair's going to struggle to get a game, and Garcia / Milner are smilarly tenacious, but possibly Milner's a bit quicker and able to go forward more.

But still, rotation's the name of the game these days - so we just have to manage it sensibly, and largely I think Mancini's doing that.

I feel we're a fragile team at the moment. Comeback kings is not the reputation we want, and unlikely to work against top class opposition. Fans are anxious too, as we want to do well in Europe, and we've gotten a tad complacent about winning games. Generally speaking, we're not getting battered in Europe, but we are losing. 'Not quite good enough' is a fair appraisal I'd say. But it would also be fair to say "not far off". We probably failed to bring in two very high quality players in the summer and that's showing. But it's too early to say Garcia's not good enough - he needs more games.

Mancini's still the man for me (at the moment), and if he can accept we don't have 50 million to spend, but he CAN sell to buy, then selling Balo for 20 million, and possibly Dzeko for 20 million too, would net him 40 million. That's enough for (say) Cavani.
He could do the same in midfield, selling 2 or 3 average players to bring in 1 top class, or maybe 2 (if he was given additional funds).

we dont need to sell any of our attackers (though i would have cavanni for dzeko).......the problem is that he hasnt bought wisely (maybe not his fault) in his replacement(s) for dejong.......and his use of 3 at the back at present is suicidal!

and i know he hasnt played may games but defensively garcia is too slwo and immobile for that role in this league........he looks slower than barry on the turn and that is saying something (but barry really does have exceptional positional sense....highly underrated in this area)

I will put my head on the block on this one and say he is not good enough now and wont ever be....but im willing to be proved wrong in time

 

[Pam]

in the pivotal role that garcia plays I dont think he is anywhere near upto speed/good enough at present so yes i dont thinkn he should be played unless it in games where we are already comfortable

in sinclairs role we can afford to bring him through slowly and hopefully he will improve

for most games/big games etc i would play this team always

hart

richards/zabba kompany lescott clichy

barry rodwell/milner

silva yaya

aguero tevez

I dont like the fact that we have to play barry and rodwell/milner together but after selling NDJ then we dont have a choice...garcia isnt up to speed and yaya is wasted back there.....

silva has to play which is unfortunate for nasri (though he could be rotated with tevez or aguero or even rodwell/milner (if we are chasing a game)

aguero and tevez are a best bet upfront at the moment ( i know this is hard on dzeko but he is simply not consistent enough in his al round game)

your doing a fair bit of rotation yourself there fella, like it or not it is a squad game, the players need to start performing more consistently especially the defenders and dm's

yeah but they along with balo are the only players i would rotate with......the defense needs to stay the same (baring injury) as it was......and the back 3 idea should be dropped immediately (as should the zonal defense on corners...this is not a recent opinion of mine btw...i use to laugh at liverpool when rafa benitez had them playing it for a while and we look as vulnerable as them when they played it!!)

the big diffference at the moment is yaya playing deeper...that effects his ability to attack and he is not that great defensively at all....therefore the should be a shielding two of barry and either rodwell or milner...this allows yaya firther forward and we are not relying no him to get back quickly (which he cannt always do) as milner is good defensively as is barry....this is whre i believe mancini has got it wrong at the moment......

as for the attackers...well we have 4 quality strikers so yes its a squad game and yes they can be rotated along with silva, nasri and sinclair...but as i said...for the big games the above would always be my core of players

I think we should have brought in a bigger name for the defence in the last window. Some of our lads at the back look like they could do with a bit more competition for places. Our strikers seem to benefit from that, by and large, and so would the defenders. I was disappointed the Agger thing never came off. I rate him. We could have done worse than looking at Neverton Baines into the bargain.

 

[simon23]

your doing a fair bit of rotation yourself there fella, like it or not it is a squad game, the players need to start performing more consistently especially the defenders and dm's

yeah but they along with balo are the only players i would rotate with......the defense needs to stay the same (baring injury) as it was......and the back 3 idea should be dropped immediately (as should the zonal defense on corners...this is not a recent opinion of mine btw...i use to laugh at liverpool when rafa benitez had them playing it for a while and we look as vulnerable as them when they played it!!)

the big diffference at the moment is yaya playing deeper...that effects his ability to attack and he is not that great defensively at all....therefore the should be a shielding two of barry and either rodwell or milner...this allows yaya firther forward and we are not relying no him to get back quickly (which he cannt always do) as milner is good defensively as is barry....this is whre i believe mancini has got it wrong at the moment......

as for the attackers...well we have 4 quality strikers so yes its a squad game and yes they can be rotated along with silva, nasri and sinclair...but as i said...for the big games the above would always be my core of players

I think we should have brought in a bigger name for the defence in the last window. Some of our lads at the back look like they could do with a bit more competition for places. Our strikers seem to benefit from that, by and large, and so would the defenders. I was disappointed the Agger thing never came off. I rate him. We could have done worse than looking at Neverton Baines into the bargain.

agree about agger but Kompany is looking dodgy purely because he is having to come forward into postions that he wasnt having to do last year......whoever was there last year...be it dejong, barry or whoever was doing a much better job......watcht he reply of the games...kompany keeps getting drawn forward into areas that he shouldnt be in....now that is not him suddenly not knowing what to do...he is trying to cover space that previously he didnt have to.......

 

[cyprustavern]

your doing a fair bit of rotation yourself there fella, like it or not it is a squad game, the players need to start performing more consistently especially the defenders and dm's

yeah but they along with balo are the only players i would rotate with......the defense needs to stay the same (baring injury) as it was......and the back 3 idea should be dropped immediately (as should the zonal defense on corners...this is not a recent opinion of mine btw...i use to laugh at liverpool when rafa benitez had them playing it for a while and we look as vulnerable as them when they played it!!)

the big diffference at the moment is yaya playing deeper...that effects his ability to attack and he is not that great defensively at all....therefore the should be a shielding two of barry and either rodwell or milner...this allows yaya firther forward and we are not relying no him to get back quickly (which he cannt always do) as milner is good defensively as is barry....this is whre i believe mancini has got it wrong at the moment......

as for the attackers...well we have 4 quality strikers so yes its a squad game and yes they can be rotated along with silva, nasri and sinclair...but as i said...for the big games the above would always be my core of players

I think we should have brought in a bigger name for the defence in the last window. Some of our lads at the back look like they could do with a bit more competition for places. Our strikers seem to benefit from that, by and large, and so would the defenders. I was disappointed the Agger thing never came off. I rate him. We could have done worse than looking at Neverton Baines into the bargain.

mancini i think wanted a world class centre half and obviously de rossi ...we got nastatic (could be great) and rodwell (is english) and garcia(could be ok) sinclair (english) maicon who i rate but didnt need 3 right fullbacks?...so overall a pretty shit transfer window which wasnt mancinis fault...i think he is still pissed off about it (just my opinion)

 

[FanchesterCity]

in the pivotal role that garcia plays I dont think he is anywhere near upto speed/good enough at present so yes i dont thinkn he should be played unless it in games where we are already comfortable

in sinclairs role we can afford to bring him through slowly and hopefully he will improve

for most games/big games etc i would play this team always

hart

richards/zabba kompany lescott clichy

barry rodwell/milner

silva yaya

aguero tevez

I dont like the fact that we have to play barry and rodwell/milner together but after selling NDJ then we dont have a choice...garcia isnt up to speed and yaya is wasted back there.....

silva has to play which is unfortunate for nasri (though he could be rotated with tevez or aguero or even rodwell/milner (if we are chasing a game)

aguero and tevez are a best bet upfront at the moment ( i know this is hard on dzeko but he is simply not consistent enough in his al round game)

your doing a fair bit of rotation yourself there fella, like it or not it is a squad game, the players need to start performing more consistently especially the defenders and dm's

yeah but they along with balo are the only players i would rotate with......the defense needs to stay the same (baring injury) as it was......and the back 3 idea should be dropped immediately (as should the zonal defense on corners...this is not a recent opinion of mine btw...i use to laugh at liverpool when rafa benitez had them playing it for a while and we look as vulnerable as them when they played it!!)

the big diffference at the moment is yaya playing deeper...that effects his ability to attack and he is not that great defensively at all....therefore the should be a shielding two of barry and either rodwell or milner...this allows yaya firther forward and we are not relying no him to get back quickly (which he cannt always do) as milner is good defensively as is barry....this is whre i believe mancini has got it wrong at the moment......

as for the attackers...well we have 4 quality strikers so yes its a squad game and yes they can be rotated along with silva, nasri and sinclair...but as i said...for the big games the above would always be my core of players

-- Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:34 pm --

I think rotation's entirely feasible without upsetting too many player...

Tevez/Aguero/Dzeko (2 of 3) can be rotated fairly well. Balotelli MUST take 4th place I'm afraid. I'd almost be tempted to sell him, and have Guidetti as 4th.
Silva / Nasri can be rotated, or played together if we're going for more attack.
Garcia / Toure / Barry / Milner / Rodwell / Sinclair is the problem area, that's a lot to try and rotate, esp when Toure is virtually nailed on the team sheet. Mancini probably wants to phase out Barry due to age, but is caught in the catch 22 situation of 'every game is difficult' - and needing Barry but wanting to give Rodwell a run out. Sinclair's going to struggle to get a game, and Garcia / Milner are smilarly tenacious, but possibly Milner's a bit quicker and able to go forward more.

But still, rotation's the name of the game these days - so we just have to manage it sensibly, and largely I think Mancini's doing that.

I feel we're a fragile team at the moment. Comeback kings is not the reputation we want, and unlikely to work against top class opposition. Fans are anxious too, as we want to do well in Europe, and we've gotten a tad complacent about winning games. Generally speaking, we're not getting battered in Europe, but we are losing. 'Not quite good enough' is a fair appraisal I'd say. But it would also be fair to say "not far off". We probably failed to bring in two very high quality players in the summer and that's showing. But it's too early to say Garcia's not good enough - he needs more games.

Mancini's still the man for me (at the moment), and if he can accept we don't have 50 million to spend, but he CAN sell to buy, then selling Balo for 20 million, and possibly Dzeko for 20 million too, would net him 40 million. That's enough for (say) Cavani.
He could do the same in midfield, selling 2 or 3 average players to bring in 1 top class, or maybe 2 (if he was given additional funds).

we dont need to sell any of our attackers (though i would have cavanni for dzeko).......the problem is that he hasnt bought wisely (maybe not his fault) in his replacement(s) for dejong.......and his use of 3 at the back at present is suicidal!

No we don't NEED to, but Balo's not giving us much, and in my opinion, he'd be worth cashing in on, and possibly giving Guidetti the odd go - if we're serious about bringing some youth through.

But there are still lingering issues up front - namely Balo himself and the uncertain nature of Tevez's happiness. That's why, I would like to have a very solid 3rd striker (not unhappy with Dzeko, but think we could do slightly better). Upfront though, is the least of our issues....

Midfield, as you rightly point out (and I stated too), is the problem area. On paper it looks like we have a vast array to choose from, but the reality is we're quite weak when it comes to game controlling midfielders. I'm hoping Garcia can bring a bit of control there, and I've not seen anything enough to form a real opinion either way yet.
I'm a Barry fan, and I think Milner doesn't get the credit he deserves, but I'm also a realist and admit that at CL level, neither of those two is going to get any better, and their current level isn't as high as we would like. Rodwell might come good, but at the moment, he's simply a speculative gamble. Milner and Barry are known quantities that'll give us a constant 7/10 performance in CL and 8/10 in PL.

 

[FanchesterCity]

yeah but they along with balo are the only players i would rotate with......the defense needs to stay the same (baring injury) as it was......and the back 3 idea should be dropped immediately (as should the zonal defense on corners...this is not a recent opinion of mine btw...i use to laugh at liverpool when rafa benitez had them playing it for a while and we look as vulnerable as them when they played it!!)

the big diffference at the moment is yaya playing deeper...that effects his ability to attack and he is not that great defensively at all....therefore the should be a shielding two of barry and either rodwell or milner...this allows yaya firther forward and we are not relying no him to get back quickly (which he cannt always do) as milner is good defensively as is barry....this is whre i believe mancini has got it wrong at the moment......

as for the attackers...well we have 4 quality strikers so yes its a squad game and yes they can be rotated along with silva, nasri and sinclair...but as i said...for the big games the above would always be my core of players

I think we should have brought in a bigger name for the defence in the last window. Some of our lads at the back look like they could do with a bit more competition for places. Our strikers seem to benefit from that, by and large, and so would the defenders. I was disappointed the Agger thing never came off. I rate him. We could have done worse than looking at Neverton Baines into the bargain.

mancini i think wanted a world class centre half and obviously de rossi ...we got nastatic (could be great) and rodwell (is english) and garcia(could be ok) sinclair (english) maicon who i rate but didnt need 3 right fullbacks?...so overall a pretty shit transfer window which wasnt mancinis fault...i think he is still pissed off about it (just my opinion)

I agree, but the reality (as at any club) is that such players don't become available very often, and if they do, you either have to pay a fortune for them (which, seemingly, we didn't want to do, due to FFP), and then you still have to persuade them that City is the club to come to - which again, isn't that easy. Sure it's a great club, but it's Manchester and not Italy or Spain, and other clubs will be in for them if they're any good. We are still very much new kids on the block, and whilst more attractive than we were 2 seasons ago, we are NOT Real, Barca, Bayern, United or Chelsea etc. There's still a pecking order and we can't play the outbidding wildcard very often any more... that's the issue.

 

[Pam]

yeah but they along with balo are the only players i would rotate with......the defense needs to stay the same (baring injury) as it was......and the back 3 idea should be dropped immediately (as should the zonal defense on corners...this is not a recent opinion of mine btw...i use to laugh at liverpool when rafa benitez had them playing it for a while and we look as vulnerable as them when they played it!!)

the big diffference at the moment is yaya playing deeper...that effects his ability to attack and he is not that great defensively at all....therefore the should be a shielding two of barry and either rodwell or milner...this allows yaya firther forward and we are not relying no him to get back quickly (which he cannt always do) as milner is good defensively as is barry....this is whre i believe mancini has got it wrong at the moment......

as for the attackers...well we have 4 quality strikers so yes its a squad game and yes they can be rotated along with silva, nasri and sinclair...but as i said...for the big games the above would always be my core of players

I think we should have brought in a bigger name for the defence in the last window. Some of our lads at the back look like they could do with a bit more competition for places. Our strikers seem to benefit from that, by and large, and so would the defenders. I was disappointed the Agger thing never came off. I rate him. We could have done worse than looking at Neverton Baines into the bargain.

mancini i think wanted a world class centre half and obviously de rossi ...we got nastatic (could be great) and rodwell (is english) and garcia(could be ok) sinclair (english) maicon who i rate but didnt need 3 right fullbacks?...so overall a pretty shit transfer window which wasnt mancinis fault...i think he is still pissed off about it (just my opinion)

I don't care what the Marwood apologists around here say, I think the blame is largely with our principal contractor negotiator and whoever thought to give him his head in the business dealings of the summer. This is beginning to come out. His inappropriate brinkmanship was at fault. Its not like we didn't spend loads of money, because we did, but we deployed the entire summer window budget on third and fourth choice targets on the final day of the window whereas others did their business earlier and came closer to achieving their original plans that we did. This should not be allowed to happen in the next two windows.

 

[CITY FOR LIFE]

I think yesterday said it all, great support for the manager when we didn.t play great and had to break down a very good Swansea side.

 

[Holland]

I don't think he is suiteble.
Long time ago I said : He will never do something in CL"
I resepect if you thing otherwise. But this is mine.