Mancini write-up by Didsbury Dave

[Rolee]

Extremely juvenile.

At least you're consistent Dave.

 

[daveduke67]

I agree that RM's statement after the final changed things made it necessary for the club to back him or sack him a bit before they otherwise would have.

Not sure leaving him hanging for so long with all the rumours going on was the best thing to do as I can understand why RM was getting a bit pissed off with it all. People talk about RM not communicating with his players, maybe the people in charged could have communicated a bit better with him.

And said what exactly? Sorry but you are being sacked after the Norwich game or Don't worry Roberto, your job is safe.

Or, as they tried to, just say we are not prepared to let the gutter press push into releasing information that we don't want to.Once they start doing that the press will be all over them every time they want to find something out.

Sadly Mancini put them in a position where they had no choice other than to tell him he was sacked. Something, I think anyway, he already knew - he'd been given targets and only hit one - I' think it'd be fair to assume that one being qualification for the CL. I doubt the club will ever reveal those targets so all we can do is speculate- win the PL, a cup, get more involved with the EDS, sort out his attitude and heal the ever widening rift between him and his squad?

 

[Blue Tooth]

I still believe his card was marked pre season and that he would have had to win the league again to keep his job. Not getting his transfer targets was a message from the Barca Boys and perhaps they knew he did not have key players on board. If he was as much of a tyrant as folk are making out then perhaps the players figured not winning anything was the best option?
How else do we explain the high number of listless displays this season.
Pure speculation on my part.

 

[moomba]

And said what exactly? Sorry but you are being sacked after the Norwich game or Don't worry Roberto, your job is safe.

If they've made the decision to replace him, why not tell him? If he wants to stay then fair enough, if he wants to walk straight away then fair enough. But it can't be nice being put in the position that he was last week.

Or, as they tried to, just say we are not prepared to let the gutter press push into releasing information that we don't want to.Once they start doing that the press will be all over them every time they want to find something out.

Not suggested they should have put something out in the press, I've argued that we shouldn't be forced to do that (until things changed Saturday night).

Sadly Mancini put them in a position where they had no choice other than to tell him he was sacked. Something, I think anyway, he already knew - he'd been given targets and only hit one - I' think it'd be fair to assume that one being qualification for the CL. I doubt the club will ever reveal those targets so all we can do is speculate- win the PL, a cup, get more involved with the EDS, sort out his attitude and heal the ever widening rift between him and his squad?

If no-one at the club was prepared to tell him what everyone knew why not force the issue?

 

[BobKowalski]

As far as I can see Mancini pushed for the decision and it is his fault he went before the end of the season. The more we find out the more the clubs decision to sack him appears to have been the right thing to do.

I would tend to agree with that assessment. Personally I thought the comment which sealed his fate in terms of going before the end of the season was the one which went along the lines of "in two weeks we'll find out, either you will look stupid or I will look stupid. I think I work for serious people.". In my opinion he knew he was going, and that comment will have infuriated the powers that be to the point where they brought forward his sacking as much to shut him up as to shut the speculation up regarding his position.

That Mancini knew is fairly obvious because we went into Cup Final day with the world and his wife either suspecting/fearing/hoping it was true. All Mancini did was put his foot on the accelerator and take some degree of control of the situation back. That the speculation broke on the eve of the Cup Final and then washed into the day itself was a PR nightmare of our own creation and there was no option left other than to sack Mancini once the deal with him had been thrashed out something which had to be done as quickly as possible.

With City firmly on the back foot there has been a small degree of spin to emphasis the fact that Mancini does indeed eat babies for lunch and no one likes him - which every one knew anyway. But irrespective of Mancini's ability to make grown men cry this was and always has been about who runs City and the business model and footballing philosophy going forward. The answer to both is Ferran and Txiki.

As for PB wanting articles on whether the sacking of Mancini was right how about we try and expand the issues rather than limiting it to the deed itself. Is it the right decision but poorly handled in terms of execution and timing? What does the sacking mean in terms of City's vision for the future now that we are in the era of a very powerful DoF with the manager position that of Head Coach? How will City handle the media narrative going forward and can we give Pellegrini the protection and space to do his job properly? Is the 'alpha' manager now officially dead given even Mourinho's options are limited to going back to Chelsea.

The sacking itself is just the conclusion of a particular phase in City's development and a successful conclusion at that. Much more interesting then people writing articles entitled 'Look At Me Ain't I Great' is the future and what it may bring and the impact Ferran and Txiki will have on the club. An impact that so far has been profound even if their timing and execution sucked donkey balls

 

[taconinja]

As far as I can see Mancini pushed for the decision and it is his fault he went before the end of the season. The more we find out the more the clubs decision to sack him appears to have been the right thing to do.

I would tend to agree with that assessment. Personally I thought the comment which sealed his fate in terms of going before the end of the season was the one which went along the lines of "in two weeks we'll find out, either you will look stupid or I will look stupid. I think I work for serious people.". In my opinion he knew he was going, and that comment will have infuriated the powers that be to the point where they brought forward his sacking as much to shut him up as to shut the speculation up regarding his position.

That Mancini knew is fairly obvious because we went into Cup Final day with the world and his wife either suspecting/fearing/hoping it was true. All Mancini did was put his foot on the accelerator and take some degree of control of the situation back. That the speculation broke on the eve of the Cup Final and then washed into the day itself was a PR nightmare of our own creation and there was no option left other than to sack Mancini once the deal with him had been thrashed out something which had to be done as quickly as possible.

With City firmly on the back foot there has been a small degree of spin to emphasis the fact that Mancini does indeed eat babies for lunch and no one likes him - which every one knew anyway. But irrespective of Mancini's ability to make grown men cry this was and always has been about who runs City and the business model and footballing philosophy going forward. The answer to both is Ferran and Txiki.

As for PB wanting articles on whether the sacking of Mancini was right how about we try and expand the issues rather than limiting it to the deed itself. Is it the right decision but poorly handled in terms of execution and timing? What does the sacking mean in terms of City's vision for the future now that we are in the era of a very powerful DoF with the manager position that of Head Coach? How will City handle the media narrative going forward and can we give Pellegrini the protection and space to do his job properly? Is the 'alpha' manager now officially dead given even Mourinho's options are limited to going back to Chelsea.

The sacking itself is just the conclusion of a particular phase in City's development and a successful conclusion at that. Much more interesting then people writing articles entitled 'Look At Me Ain't I Great' is the future and what it may bring and the impact Ferran and Txiki will have on the club. An impact that so far has been profound even if their timing and execution sucked donkey balls

And as I mentioned elsewhere if Barca has decided to go to war after a fashion at least with their former executives will they continue to be forced to dance to Barca's tune?

 

[gelly]

Wanted to add that was the most bias article I've read. Nothing but seething contempt for Mancini even in his most celebrated achievements.

 

[Anonymous]

As far as I can see Mancini pushed for the decision and it is his fault he went before the end of the season. The more we find out the more the clubs decision to sack him appears to have been the right thing to do.

I would tend to agree with that assessment. Personally I thought the comment which sealed his fate in terms of going before the end of the season was the one which went along the lines of "in two weeks we'll find out, either you will look stupid or I will look stupid. I think I work for serious people.". In my opinion he knew he was going, and that comment will have infuriated the powers that be to the point where they brought forward his sacking as much to shut him up as to shut the speculation up regarding his position.

That Mancini knew is fairly obvious because we went into Cup Final day with the world and his wife either suspecting/fearing/hoping it was true. All Mancini did was put his foot on the accelerator and take some degree of control of the situation back. That the speculation broke on the eve of the Cup Final and then washed into the day itself was a PR nightmare of our own creation and there was no option left other than to sack Mancini once the deal with him had been thrashed out something which had to be done as quickly as possible.

With City firmly on the back foot there has been a small degree of spin to emphasis the fact that Mancini does indeed eat babies for lunch and no one likes him - which every one knew anyway. But irrespective of Mancini's ability to make grown men cry this was and always has been about who runs City and the business model and footballing philosophy going forward. The answer to both is Ferran and Txiki.

As for PB wanting articles on whether the sacking of Mancini was right how about we try and expand the issues rather than limiting it to the deed itself. Is it the right decision but poorly handled in terms of execution and timing? What does the sacking mean in terms of City's vision for the future now that we are in the era of a very powerful DoF with the manager position that of Head Coach? How will City handle the media narrative going forward and can we give Pellegrini the protection and space to do his job properly? Is the 'alpha' manager now officially dead given even Mourinho's options are limited to going back to Chelsea.

The sacking itself is just the conclusion of a particular phase in City's development and a successful conclusion at that. Much more interesting then people writing articles entitled 'Look At Me Ain't I Great' is the future and what it may bring and the impact Ferran and Txiki will have on the club. An impact that so far has been profound even if their timing and execution sucked donkey balls

You have a point in there somewhere.

Oh wait, actually. No you don't. That post is just shit. Revisionist. And shit. And also a little condescending and a lot sarcastic. But then someone's gotta carry on the blusterin'.

Anyway fuck it, Mancini got his just desserts. Your thoughts on Pellegrini are well documented if as shit as the post above. A little Tesco's reminder of what you think.

...turning to Pellegrini I guess one point going for him is that he plays nice with others and will do as he is told which from a DoF perspective is probably a managers best asset. I love Bobby Manc but he doesn't play well with others and politically this may cost him.

And if you get to Pellegrini's age and have won nothing of note I would be sceptical he has the necessary drive to ever do so. Getting an unfancied side to play above themselves is one thing but leading a top tier team from the front where you are expected to win the major prizes is a totally different ball game and his time at Real Madrid does not inspire confidence...

Its a bit like AVB at Chelsea and AVB at Spurs. Much as the media are prepping for a major Spurs wankathon (again) there is a world of difference in managing the two teams and a world of difference in the expectation placed on both teams. For Spurs finishing 3rd makes you manager of the year material. At Chelsea finishing 2nd makes you a fucking loser and winner of a P45

Mancini irrespective of what some people think has demonstrated through actual silverware that he can bring success at the top level. We can argue if that success is enough or whether other managers like Jose could bring even bigger success at this level - which is fair and legitimate debate - but not the Pellegrini's of this world. Some people can run a corner shop and others can run Tesco's. But don't think doing well at the former makes you even close to being competent at running the latter.

Glad you're warming to him though. Good to know you're a man with the courage of his convictions. Now if you'll excuse me i've got some bunting which needs taking down.

 

[Blue Tooth]

As far as I can see Mancini pushed for the decision and it is his fault he went before the end of the season. The more we find out the more the clubs decision to sack him appears to have been the right thing to do.

I would tend to agree with that assessment. Personally I thought the comment which sealed his fate in terms of going before the end of the season was the one which went along the lines of "in two weeks we'll find out, either you will look stupid or I will look stupid. I think I work for serious people.". In my opinion he knew he was going, and that comment will have infuriated the powers that be to the point where they brought forward his sacking as much to shut him up as to shut the speculation up regarding his position.

That Mancini knew is fairly obvious because we went into Cup Final day with the world and his wife either suspecting/fearing/hoping it was true. All Mancini did was put his foot on the accelerator and take some degree of control of the situation back. That the speculation broke on the eve of the Cup Final and then washed into the day itself was a PR nightmare of our own creation and there was no option left other than to sack Mancini once the deal with him had been thrashed out something which had to be done as quickly as possible.

With City firmly on the back foot there has been a small degree of spin to emphasis the fact that Mancini does indeed eat babies for lunch and no one likes him - which every one knew anyway. But irrespective of Mancini's ability to make grown men cry this was and always has been about who runs City and the business model and footballing philosophy going forward. The answer to both is Ferran and Txiki.

As for PB wanting articles on whether the sacking of Mancini was right how about we try and expand the issues rather than limiting it to the deed itself. Is it the right decision but poorly handled in terms of execution and timing? What does the sacking mean in terms of City's vision for the future now that we are in the era of a very powerful DoF with the manager position that of Head Coach? How will City handle the media narrative going forward and can we give Pellegrini the protection and space to do his job properly? Is the 'alpha' manager now officially dead given even Mourinho's options are limited to going back to Chelsea.

The sacking itself is just the conclusion of a particular phase in City's development and a successful conclusion at that. Much more interesting then people writing articles entitled 'Look At Me Ain't I Great' is the future and what it may bring and the impact Ferran and Txiki will have on the club. An impact that so far has been profound even if their timing and execution sucked donkey balls

Intelligent post BobK and pretty much on the money for me. Mancini was on his way out when Ferran and Txiki landed. It may not have been handled as well as it could have been and perhaps they should have had the balls to let him go after the title winning season a la Chelsea and Di Matteo. His talking to Monaco gave them an out there but perhaps lack of options for replacement meant they had to 'BUY' another year.
Now he's gone they have to close ranks and make sure that the new Holistic approach is bedded in quickly.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

I would tend to agree with that assessment. Personally I thought the comment which sealed his fate in terms of going before the end of the season was the one which went along the lines of "in two weeks we'll find out, either you will look stupid or I will look stupid. I think I work for serious people.". In my opinion he knew he was going, and that comment will have infuriated the powers that be to the point where they brought forward his sacking as much to shut him up as to shut the speculation up regarding his position.

That Mancini knew is fairly obvious because we went into Cup Final day with the world and his wife either suspecting/fearing/hoping it was true. All Mancini did was put his foot on the accelerator and take some degree of control of the situation back. That the speculation broke on the eve of the Cup Final and then washed into the day itself was a PR nightmare of our own creation and there was no option left other than to sack Mancini once the deal with him had been thrashed out something which had to be done as quickly as possible.

With City firmly on the back foot there has been a small degree of spin to emphasis the fact that Mancini does indeed eat babies for lunch and no one likes him - which every one knew anyway. But irrespective of Mancini's ability to make grown men cry this was and always has been about who runs City and the business model and footballing philosophy going forward. The answer to both is Ferran and Txiki.

As for PB wanting articles on whether the sacking of Mancini was right how about we try and expand the issues rather than limiting it to the deed itself. Is it the right decision but poorly handled in terms of execution and timing? What does the sacking mean in terms of City's vision for the future now that we are in the era of a very powerful DoF with the manager position that of Head Coach? How will City handle the media narrative going forward and can we give Pellegrini the protection and space to do his job properly? Is the 'alpha' manager now officially dead given even Mourinho's options are limited to going back to Chelsea.

The sacking itself is just the conclusion of a particular phase in City's development and a successful conclusion at that. Much more interesting then people writing articles entitled 'Look At Me Ain't I Great' is the future and what it may bring and the impact Ferran and Txiki will have on the club. An impact that so far has been profound even if their timing and execution sucked donkey balls

You have a point in there somewhere.

Oh wait, actually. No you don't. That post is just shit. Revisionist. And shit. And also a little condescending and a lot sarcastic. But then someone's gotta carry on the blusterin'.

Anyway fuck it, Mancini got his just desserts. Your thoughts on Pellegrini are well documented if as shit as the post above. A little Tesco's reminder of what you think.

...turning to Pellegrini I guess one point going for him is that he plays nice with others and will do as he is told which from a DoF perspective is probably a managers best asset. I love Bobby Manc but he doesn't play well with others and politically this may cost him.

And if you get to Pellegrini's age and have won nothing of note I would be sceptical he has the necessary drive to ever do so. Getting an unfancied side to play above themselves is one thing but leading a top tier team from the front where you are expected to win the major prizes is a totally different ball game and his time at Real Madrid does not inspire confidence...

Its a bit like AVB at Chelsea and AVB at Spurs. Much as the media are prepping for a major Spurs wankathon (again) there is a world of difference in managing the two teams and a world of difference in the expectation placed on both teams. For Spurs finishing 3rd makes you manager of the year material. At Chelsea finishing 2nd makes you a fucking loser and winner of a P45

Mancini irrespective of what some people think has demonstrated through actual silverware that he can bring success at the top level. We can argue if that success is enough or whether other managers like Jose could bring even bigger success at this level - which is fair and legitimate debate - but not the Pellegrini's of this world. Some people can run a corner shop and others can run Tesco's. But don't think doing well at the former makes you even close to being competent at running the latter.

Glad you're warming to him though. Good to know you're a man with the courage of his convictions. Now if you'll excuse me i've got some bunting which needs taking down.

One thing's for sure Billy - you didn't ghost write it for Dave.