Mancini

[Utter bobbins]

I think the outers will even start to find positives in Paolo Di Canio or Mick McCarthy if they were somehow linked to the club. This is the "anyone but Mancini" thread not "top replacements for Mancini" thread.

Bingo.

Can't see what's the problem with taking a view that JM would be the best choice as replacement but not the only choice.

I think it's the lengthening list they are having a go at

 

[Anonymous]

I think it's the lengthening list they are having a go at

The list is lengthened based on managers linked with us. People seem offended because these managers don't have the trophies that Mancini does, but quite frankly Benitez has a similar amount of trophies to Mancini and I don't think there'd be many saying he's of the right pedigree either.

 

[Delboy352]

Mancini sacked from Inter Milan after winning several league titles but failing in Europe (despite getting into the knockouts). Two (?) years later Mourinho wins the Champions League with largely the same team.

Mancini, with City, has won 3 matches out of 12.

Mancini, with City, won 2 of those against a team that is now in the Spanish second division, and except for a last gasp Aguero goal would have drawn one. The second of the two games against a later-relegated team was after the lost their top players to injury.

Mancini, with City, won a third time against a Munich team that was already through, and fielded a second-choice squad for their away game. Hardly an accomplishment.

Mancini, with City, directly contributed to no fewer than 5 of the goals scored against us in the matches against Dortmund and Ajax. Changing the system to 3-5-2, immediately letting in a goal, and then changing back to 4-4-2 (AFTER TAKING OFF THE SECOND FUCKING CENTERBACK) led to a loss in Amsterdam, and earlier in the draw against Dortmund at Eastlands.

Mancini, with City, contributed 3 of those 5 goals by setting up his defense in a zonal marking system, allowing a team with an average height difference of several inches to but three past us from corners. (fucking shambolic and downright embarrassing).

Mancini, with City, was lucky to get all three points from the 6 CL matches, despite the expectation of us at least challenging for a spot in the quarter or semi finals.

(FYI, you make yourself sound quite retarded when you somehow connect "progress" or "success" in a league with an explicit expectation of winning that competition. Try not to do that any more, its horrible.)

Fine lines between success and failure imo...

Should have beaten BM in their own back yard last season when Boateng firstly on Silva, then on Richards should have had us with 2 penalties when the score was 0-0...the table would have had a very different look then...

If Milner had been playing against RM, then again imo we wouldn't have conceded at least 1 of the goals when we were 2-1 up...he would have covered his fullback and tranny boy wouldn't have got his shot in...again, the table would have had a very different look, not to mention that Madrid and Dortumund are top sides as proved in this year's CL...and for all the droolers over Dortumd, they are also miles behind Bayern this season...(currently 20 points)...

as I say...fine lines...

You seriously could not make this sh*t up.

using champs league stats as a basis for sacking a manager whilst choosing to ignore all his other very jotable achievements - which incidentally de boer, laudrup and pellegrini can't boast and yet they would be better replacements

At what point do players become responsible for poor performances? dethred blames mancini for conceding goals against ajax from corners because of zonal marking and yet we have consistently had the best defence in the prem. what about the chance that the players simply didnt do their jobs?

he also chooses to ignore that we went out if a group that will likely contain two semi finalists this season and last season napoli got to the last eight and bayern to the final

the outers are being exposed that their views are driven purely a dislike of mancini rather than any modicum of common sense or rational thinking.

Where does it say I'm an outer? I am arguing that fine lines separate success from failure for the team. One of the reasons we haven't scored the goals we did last season imo has been unbelievably PabZab, as he usually cuts inside and runs between the left back and left centre back whereas last season both Richards and Johnson ran round the back of the left back leaving space for Silva or another midfielder to thread the ball between the said left back and centre back and either have a chance on goal or be able to run to the byline and cut it back...I'm not having a go at PabZab, because he is a fantastic player, just different in the way he supports us going forward from the other 2

RM though does have his blind spots and even though we won the league last season, the lack of a Bellamy kind of player held us back as he played Johnson primarily on the right whereas he (and Hughesless) had played Bellamy on the other side and rotated them...I can remember the game at Liverpool last season where they had a right back making his debut and he persisted in playing Johnson on the right when it was crying out for him to be put on the other side to put pressure on the new guy...

 

[Anthony_18]

Anyone else get the feeling that these next 2 games will be either make or break for Mancini's prospects of being here next season?

 

[nmc]

Anyone else get the feeling that these next 2 games will be either make or break for Mancini's prospects of being here next season?

Totally see your point but I equally have a feeling his fate is already decided one way or the other and these results won't actually influence things. If he's already a 'gonna' winning the FA cup won't save him.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Anyone else get the feeling that these next 2 games will be either make or break for Mancini's prospects of being here next season?

To a certain degree, yes I'd agree.

The rest of the season will be a decent indicator as to the players' perception of what they believe will be the outcome. I'd expect them to raise their game to try and win the FA Cup, they all want medals and Wembley should bring out our big game players. The league will be the test as to whether we can keep going until the end or do we give up the ghost and just jog over the line.

 

[Skashion]

I think it's the lengthening list they are having a go at

The list is lengthened based on managers linked with us. People seem offended because these managers don't have the trophies that Mancini does, but quite frankly Benitez has a similar amount of trophies to Mancini and I don't think there'd be many saying he's of the right pedigree either.

I'd have a hell of a lot more respect for people saying Benitez than Pellegrini.

 

[Utter bobbins]

Anyone else get the feeling that these next 2 games will be either make or break for Mancini's prospects of being here next season?

To a certain degree, yes I'd agree.

The rest of the season will be a decent indicator as to the players' perception of what they believe will be the outcome. I'd expect them to raise their game to try and win the FA Cup, they all want medals and Wembley should bring out our big game players. The league will be the test as to whether we can keep going until the end or do we give up the ghost and just jog over the line.

Champions League qualification will be paramount to their professional pride

 

[Rammy Blue]

Anyone else get the feeling that these next 2 games will be either make or break for Mancini's prospects of being here next season?

To a certain degree, yes I'd agree.

The rest of the season will be a decent indicator as to the players' perception of what they believe will be the outcome. I'd expect them to raise their game to try and win the FA Cup, they all want medals and Wembley should bring out our big game players. The league will be the test as to whether we can keep going until the end or do we give up the ghost and just jog over the line.

Champions League qualification will be paramount to their professional pride

To be honest mate, I'm not factoring that in to the discussion. We only really need 4 wins from last 8 games to be pretty much assured of chumps, can't see that being a problem.

I just mean the general demeanour and performance level.

 

[moomba]

Anyone else get the feeling that these next 2 games will be either make or break for Mancini's prospects of being here next season?

Quite possible.

 

[samharris]

Need to give up with the Mancini's crap in Europe mantra, in English football he could (with FA cup this year) have 3 pots in 3 years.
European cups will follow but we may only win 1 or 2 per 10 years - there are other big clubs outside of England, Real Madrid have won nowt in Europe for 11 years!
So what if we didn't get out of the group stage, did you expect to win it so soon? All we did was not earn an extra 5 million revenue in reality.

Mancini sacked from Inter Milan after winning several league titles but failing in Europe (despite getting into the knockouts). Two (?) years later Mourinho wins the Champions League with largely the same team.

Mancini, with City, has won 3 matches out of 12.

Mancini, with City, won 2 of those against a team that is now in the Spanish second division, and except for a last gasp Aguero goal would have drawn one. The second of the two games against a later-relegated team was after the lost their top players to injury.

Mancini, with City, won a third time against a Munich team that was already through, and fielded a second-choice squad for their away game. Hardly an accomplishment.

Mancini, with City, directly contributed to no fewer than 5 of the goals scored against us in the matches against Dortmund and Ajax. Changing the system to 3-5-2, immediately letting in a goal, and then changing back to 4-4-2 (AFTER TAKING OFF THE SECOND FUCKING CENTERBACK) led to a loss in Amsterdam, and earlier in the draw against Dortmund at Eastlands.

Mancini, with City, contributed 3 of those 5 goals by setting up his defense in a zonal marking system, allowing a team with an average height difference of several inches to but three past us from corners. (fucking shambolic and downright embarrassing).

Mancini, with City, was lucky to get all three points from the 6 CL matches, despite the expectation of us at least challenging for a spot in the quarter or semi finals.

(FYI, you make yourself sound quite retarded when you somehow connect "progress" or "success" in a league with an explicit expectation of winning that competition. Try not to do that any more, its horrible.)

That last bit !! tosser.

 

[Marvin]

Last season the margin was goal difference. Since then Utd invested massively in RVP & Kagawa plus others whilst we sold two forwards in AJ and Balotelli. We strengthened the defence and midfield, but the forward line was weakened, and on top of that Aguero was injured

You don't need a 1,000 pages to explain it.

 

[samharris]

Last season the margin was goal difference. Since then Utd invested massively in RVP & Kagawa plus others whilst we sold two forwards in AJ and Balotelli. We strengthened the defence and midfield, but the forward line was weakened, and on top of that Aguero was injured

You don't need a 1,000 pages to explain it.

Oh yes you do.. ;)

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

Last season the margin was goal difference. Since then Utd invested massively in RVP & Kagawa plus others whilst we sold two forwards in AJ and Balotelli. We strengthened the defence and midfield, but the forward line was weakened, and on top of that Aguero was injured

You don't need a 1,000 pages to explain it.

Doesnt explain why we regressed so much in CL failing to beat an average Ajax side and once against struggling against the likes of Everton, Sunderland, Stoke etc

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Last season the margin was goal difference. Since then Utd invested massively in RVP & Kagawa plus others whilst we sold two forwards in AJ and Balotelli. We strengthened the defence and midfield, but the forward line was weakened, and on top of that Aguero was injured

You don't need a 1,000 pages to explain it.

Doesnt explain why we regressed so much in CL failing to beat an average Ajax side and once against struggling against the likes of Everton, Sunderland, Stoke etc

Four points and a cup win at their place
If thats struggling i will take it..

 

[samharris]

Last season the margin was goal difference. Since then Utd invested massively in RVP & Kagawa plus others whilst we sold two forwards in AJ and Balotelli. We strengthened the defence and midfield, but the forward line was weakened, and on top of that Aguero was injured

You don't need a 1,000 pages to explain it.

Doesnt explain why we regressed so much in CL failing to beat an average Ajax side and once against struggling against the likes of Everton, Sunderland, Stoke etc

Four points and a cup win at their place
If thats struggling i will take it..

Its called cherry picking bud...we aint as bad as some are stating.

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

Last season the margin was goal difference. Since then Utd invested massively in RVP & Kagawa plus others whilst we sold two forwards in AJ and Balotelli. We strengthened the defence and midfield, but the forward line was weakened, and on top of that Aguero was injured

You don't need a 1,000 pages to explain it.

Doesnt explain why we regressed so much in CL failing to beat an average Ajax side and once against struggling against the likes of Everton, Sunderland, Stoke etc

Four points and a cup win at their place
If thats struggling i will take it..

I obviously meant the league where we have failed to win there in the past 4 seasons.

 

[Marvin]

Last season the margin was goal difference. Since then Utd invested massively in RVP & Kagawa plus others whilst we sold two forwards in AJ and Balotelli. We strengthened the defence and midfield, but the forward line was weakened, and on top of that Aguero was injured

You don't need a 1,000 pages to explain it.

Doesnt explain why we regressed so much in CL failing to beat an average Ajax side and once against struggling against the likes of Everton, Sunderland, Stoke etc

True, but that's a Cup competition. Stupid individual mistakes were telling there. For example 2-1 up in the Bernabeu with 5 minutes to go and we ended up getting beat. That result was hugely important in our Group.

I think we should judge the manager on the entire season. We've dropped a little, but we are above a talented Chelsea team who like Utd invested massively in their team.

As usual there's a huge over-reaction. Football contains an element of luck and you can't guarantee incremental progress every season, especially when you don't invest in the squad relative to your rivals.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

(FYI, you make yourself sound quite retarded when you somehow connect "progress" or "success" in a league with an explicit expectation of winning that competition. Try not to do that any more, its horrible.)

 

[Joehannes]

So, is he staying or wha?