Mancini

[tolmie's hairdoo]

The Mancini out crowd do set themselves up as being a bit more knowledgeable/intellectual than the inners. They have high flying jobs that bring them into contact with important people in the world of football.

The only thing that puzzles me is the amount of time they spend on BM.

Look at the quality of arguments put forward by each camp.

I read some of the inners and I question in my head if they watch any football other than City, I question rationality and I question their fucking balls.

Change doesn't just happen, you have to be ballsy to go and make changes.

If people think getting a win against the likes of Everton, Sunderland and Stoke is a 'bonus' when we have a star studded team then that tells me all I need to know. We have a great club, we have a great owner, we have a great future on the horizon and we have a very good squad which can be great with the right balance and additions, we just don't have a great manager and it really is that simple.

To the tune of blame it on the boogie.
Don't blame it on tactics,
Don't blame it on man management,
Don't blame it on 3-5-2,
Blame it on Marwood.

Your tune doesn't scan. Have you thought about a job as a diplomat?

 

[Didsbury Dave]

The hypocrisy stinks.

Marwood has been painted as the devil incarnate and made wholly responsible for this season by Mancini's love-in crowd.

Marwood did the bidding of both Khaldoon and our owner.

Are you also saying in actual fact that you don't support Khaldoon or our owner?

Or whisper it veryquietly, because you don't want to been seen to bite the hand that feeds us, Marwood is a more convenient scapegoat for both Mancini's fans and Mancini himself.

Laughable really isn't it?

The only explanation I have is they genuinely didn't know what role Marwood had in transfers, or am I being too generous?

DD has opened a real Pandora's box here.

So let's call a spade a spade shall we.

Mancini has not been able to take the team forward this season, according to his supporters, because he was not backed in the market last summer.

Marwood's supposed incompetence resulted in Mancini's transfer targets falling by the wayside.

So instead of spending £100m on Van Persie, De Rossi, Javi Martinez and such, we bought Scott Sinclair, Javi Garcia and Jack Rodwell, at a net spend of £23m.

Marwood was a lackey, nothing more, a buffer zone.

In essence, Mancini and his supporters are laying the blame at our owners.

Hence DD's valid opinion that perhaps the people with the money don't get everything right and don't know everything about football.

Not a can of worms for me Tolm. I've been saying it since the 'ask Marwood' debacle of last summer. That was Mancini criticising khaldoon and the sheikh. The whole demonisation of Marwood is laughable, as is the idea that he would be given the responsibility for deciding how much we should and should not pay for Rvp et al. He was the lacky out on adug's business. The purchasing manager negotiating contracts for the MD and FD.

I'm not saying khaldoon's incompetent before all you Janet and John clowns start burning your straw man. I'm saying when it comes to the football side of things he has no experience prior to the city job. And if you demonise Marwood you by implication demonise the organ grinders who Marwood is the monkey for.

I have a concern that khaldoon may make incorrect calls on the football side but Have much more confidence in the new guys. And Rammy, I do agree that they have been given responsibility for the manager. And I believe they will have already seen through Mancini.

 

[kaz7]

The hypocrisy stinks.

Marwood has been painted as the devil incarnate and made wholly responsible for this season by Mancini's love-in crowd.

Marwood did the bidding of both Khaldoon and our owner.

Are you also saying in actual fact that you don't support Khaldoon or our owner?

Or whisper it veryquietly, because you don't want to been seen to bite the hand that feeds us, Marwood is a more convenient scapegoat for both Mancini's fans and Mancini himself.

Laughable really isn't it?

The only explanation I have is they genuinely didn't know what role Marwood had in transfers, or am I being too generous?

I think those of us that support Mancini are intelligent enough to understand that you can't place all the blame on the manager all the time, as there is a team around him, responsible for various operations of the football side of things.

Most of us are also intelligent enough to understand that mistakes can be made even by our magnificent owners but we trust them to put those things right when they are identified.

None of us, me included, really know who sanctioned, identified and signed the summer targets but I think it's clear to most that Marwood appeared to have most responsibility for summer transfers and I think the failure in the summer to get our no 1 targets was the reason that Marwoods role was changed. This tells me our owners will make the necessary changes In the organisation when required and that includes Mancini.

My opinion is that Mancini is doing a good job, has won us things and is moving the club in the right direction, I will remain with that position and trust our owners to do the right thing and I will trust them to make the ultimate decision on Mancini. I haven't seen the Mancini inners once question the methods of our owners only point out that any failings you can point to this season (not many) can't solely be placed with Mancini.

I would describe that as a sensible pragmatic approach rather than the blinkered nonsensical 'everything bad that happens is Mancini's fault' approach of those who are pushing for instability.

well said

 

[NipHolmes]

The hypocrisy stinks.

Marwood has been painted as the devil incarnate and made wholly responsible for this season by Mancini's love-in crowd.

Marwood did the bidding of both Khaldoon and our owner.

Are you also saying in actual fact that you don't support Khaldoon or our owner?

Or whisper it veryquietly, because you don't want to been seen to bite the hand that feeds us, Marwood is a more convenient scapegoat for both Mancini's fans and Mancini himself.

Laughable really isn't it?

The only explanation I have is they genuinely didn't know what role Marwood had in transfers, or am I being too generous?

I think those of us that support Mancini are intelligent enough to understand that you can't place all the blame on the manager all the time, as there is a team around him, responsible for various operations of the football side of things.

Most of us are also intelligent enough to understand that mistakes can be made even by our magnificent owners but we trust them to put those things right when they are identified.

None of us, me included, really know who sanctioned, identified and signed the summer targets but I think it's clear to most that Marwood appeared to have most responsibility for summer transfers and I think the failure in the summer to get our no 1 targets was the reason that Marwoods role was changed. This tells me our owners will make the necessary changes In the organisation when required and that includes Mancini.

My opinion is that Mancini is doing a good job, has won us things and is moving the club in the right direction, I will remain with that position and trust our owners to do the right thing and I will trust them to make the ultimate decision on Mancini. I haven't seen the Mancini inners once question the methods of our owners only point out that any failings you can point to this season (not many) can't solely be placed with Mancini.

I would describe that as a sensible pragmatic approach rather than the blinkered nonsensical 'everything bad that happens is Mancini's fault' approach of those who are pushing for instability.

Our team has been out of form all season, we have no forward partnerships/strike forces but instead have a collection of strikers. We have a pedestrian set of holding mids and yet none of this is down to Mancini? Is it all down to Marwood.

The thing that fucks me most off on here is the way people have changed expectations to be seen as 'proper fans', nobody in theior hearts of hearts is happy right now with how we are performing. The semi finals may act as salvation for our season and Mancini's tenure but I do wonder what may happen if we lose to Chelsea or United. After that it's basically us getting to the semis after an easy run and then being knocked out. The whole season will have been a poor one and it will be cringeworthy hearing the revisionists come and get their first aid kit and try to patch things up and excuse everything.

-- Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:23 am --

The hypocrisy stinks.

Marwood has been painted as the devil incarnate and made wholly responsible for this season by Mancini's love-in crowd.

Marwood did the bidding of both Khaldoon and our owner.

Are you also saying in actual fact that you don't support Khaldoon or our owner?

Or whisper it veryquietly, because you don't want to been seen to bite the hand that feeds us, Marwood is a more convenient scapegoat for both Mancini's fans and Mancini himself.

Laughable really isn't it?

The only explanation I have is they genuinely didn't know what role Marwood had in transfers, or am I being too generous?

I think those of us that support Mancini are intelligent enough to understand that you can't place all the blame on the manager all the time, as there is a team around him, responsible for various operations of the football side of things.

Most of us are also intelligent enough to understand that mistakes can be made even by our magnificent owners but we trust them to put those things right when they are identified.

None of us, me included, really know who sanctioned, identified and signed the summer targets but I think it's clear to most that Marwood appeared to have most responsibility for summer transfers and I think the failure in the summer to get our no 1 targets was the reason that Marwoods role was changed. This tells me our owners will make the necessary changes In the organisation when required and that includes Mancini.

My opinion is that Mancini is doing a good job, has won us things and is moving the club in the right direction, I will remain with that position and trust our owners to do the right thing and I will trust them to make the ultimate decision on Mancini. I haven't seen the Mancini inners once question the methods of our owners only point out that any failings you can point to this season (not many) can't solely be placed with Mancini.

I would describe that as a sensible pragmatic approach rather than the blinkered nonsensical 'everything bad that happens is Mancini's fault' approach of those who are pushing for instability.

Our team has been out of form all season, we have no forward partnerships/strike forces but instead have a collection of strikers. We have a pedestrian set of holding mids and yet none of this is down to Mancini? Is it all down to Marwood.

The thing that fucks me most off on here is the way people have changed expectations to be seen as 'proper fans', nobody in their hearts of hearts is happy right now with how we are performing. The semi finals may act as salvation for our season and Mancini's tenure but I do wonder what may happen if we lose to Chelsea or United. After that it's basically us getting to the semis after an easy run and then being knocked out. The whole season will have been a poor one and it will be cringeworthy hearing the revisionists come and get their first aid kit and try to patch things up and excuse everything.<br /><br />-- Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:23 am --<br /><br />

The hypocrisy stinks.

Marwood has been painted as the devil incarnate and made wholly responsible for this season by Mancini's love-in crowd.

Marwood did the bidding of both Khaldoon and our owner.

Are you also saying in actual fact that you don't support Khaldoon or our owner?

Or whisper it veryquietly, because you don't want to been seen to bite the hand that feeds us, Marwood is a more convenient scapegoat for both Mancini's fans and Mancini himself.

Laughable really isn't it?

The only explanation I have is they genuinely didn't know what role Marwood had in transfers, or am I being too generous?

I think those of us that support Mancini are intelligent enough to understand that you can't place all the blame on the manager all the time, as there is a team around him, responsible for various operations of the football side of things.

Most of us are also intelligent enough to understand that mistakes can be made even by our magnificent owners but we trust them to put those things right when they are identified.

None of us, me included, really know who sanctioned, identified and signed the summer targets but I think it's clear to most that Marwood appeared to have most responsibility for summer transfers and I think the failure in the summer to get our no 1 targets was the reason that Marwoods role was changed. This tells me our owners will make the necessary changes In the organisation when required and that includes Mancini.

My opinion is that Mancini is doing a good job, has won us things and is moving the club in the right direction, I will remain with that position and trust our owners to do the right thing and I will trust them to make the ultimate decision on Mancini. I haven't seen the Mancini inners once question the methods of our owners only point out that any failings you can point to this season (not many) can't solely be placed with Mancini.

I would describe that as a sensible pragmatic approach rather than the blinkered nonsensical 'everything bad that happens is Mancini's fault' approach of those who are pushing for instability.

Our team has been out of form all season, we have no forward partnerships/strike forces but instead have a collection of strikers. We have a pedestrian set of holding mids and yet none of this is down to Mancini? Is it all down to Marwood.

The thing that fucks me most off on here is the way people have changed expectations to be seen as 'proper fans', nobody in their hearts of hearts is happy right now with how we are performing. The semi finals may act as salvation for our season and Mancini's tenure but I do wonder what may happen if we lose to Chelsea or United. After that it's basically us getting to the semis after an easy run and then being knocked out. The whole season will have been a poor one and it will be cringeworthy hearing the revisionists come and get their first aid kit and try to patch things up and excuse everything.

 

[Blue Mooner]

The hypocrisy stinks.

Marwood has been painted as the devil incarnate and made wholly responsible for this season by Mancini's love-in crowd.

Marwood did the bidding of both Khaldoon and our owner.

Are you also saying in actual fact that you don't support Khaldoon or our owner?

Or whisper it veryquietly, because you don't want to been seen to bite the hand that feeds us, Marwood is a more convenient scapegoat for both Mancini's fans and Mancini himself.

Laughable really isn't it?

The only explanation I have is they genuinely didn't know what role Marwood had in transfers, or am I being too generous?

DD has opened a real Pandora's box here.

So let's call a spade a spade shall we.

Mancini has not been able to take the team forward this season, according to his supporters, because he was not backed in the market last summer.

Marwood's supposed incompetence resulted in Mancini's transfer targets falling by the wayside.

So instead of spending £100m on Van Persie, De Rossi, Javi Martinez and such, we bought Scott Sinclair, Javi Garcia and Jack Rodwell, at a net spend of £23m.

Marwood was a lackey, nothing more, a buffer zone.

In essence, Mancini and his supporters are layingbthe blame at our owners

Hence DD's valid opinion that perhaps the people with the money don't get everything right and don't know everything about football.

FFS, we're not laying 'the blame' anywhere we're, and I think I speak for most Mancini inners, happy with the direction the club is going!!! Hence we are very happy with our owners.

It's you and DD's ilk that seem keen to lay blame somewhere, but for what....!?

I think most will accept that we didn't quite get it right in the summer, it happens, the owners have reacted and therefore the sensible ones amongst us are happy.

We are second in the league and possibly going to win the FA cup, so we don't feel the need to spread this 'blame' about. Without our owners second in the league would have been a pipe dream so to talk of blame in those circumstances is churlish in the extreme so please don't tar us with your brush thanks.

As for the amount of time these guys spend slagging Mancini is beyond a joke, I would love to spend more time on here challenging them but unfortunately I have a day job to do.......

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

To the tune of blame it on the boogie.
Don't blame it on tactics,
Don't blame it on man management,
Don't blame it on 3-5-2,
Blame it on Marwood.

I'm not entirely sure it was necessary to point out what tune it was, Nip.

I reckon most folk worked that out for themselves :-)

 

[The Future's Blue]

Presume it's the end game playing out. "Back me, sack me". We've always been led to believe that Bob has a good relationship with Khaldoon so can only assume that Bob is playing on that one in order to see where the land lies. It would seem pointless to have appointed Ferran and Txiki if we weren't going to give them ultimate control of the club so I'd be surprised if Khaldoon overruled whatever decision they come to. As you say though, the lack of Bob ever referring to them doesn't bode well.

Sorry to jump in Rammy/Danamy but you've just took completely wild speculation to it's heighest level. Mancini stated that he was looking forward to working with the new board and they have just come out and backed the manager. To go from what you can see and hear to saying it is now a 'Back me or Sack me' seems rather, let's say, strange.

I think you both need to get out more ;)

We're just talking more in general terms. There's obviously power issues at City and I'm sure both parties are looking at options. It's not to say Bob is going to get bulleted but I don't think "back me, sack me" is ott in any way.

I just don't see this power struggle that you've been talking about mate. I think there was an issue with Marwood and Mancini but since then there's been nothing to suggest anything other than co-operation and respect.

Unless you, or others, know of anything other, it seems to just be press mis-information and spin.

 

[NipHolmes]

The Mancini out crowd do set themselves up as being a bit more knowledgeable/intellectual than the inners. They have high flying jobs that bring them into contact with important people in the world of football.

The only thing that puzzles me is the amount of time they spend on BM.

Look at the quality of arguments put forward by each camp.

I read some of the inners and I question in my head if they watch any football other than City, I question rationality and I question their fucking balls.

Change doesn't just happen, you have to be ballsy to go and make changes.

If people think getting a win against the likes of Everton, Sunderland and Stoke is a 'bonus' when we have a star studded team then that tells me all I need to know. We have a great club, we have a great owner, we have a great future on the horizon and we have a very good squad which can be great with the right balance and additions, we just don't have a great manager and it really is that simple.

To the tune of blame it on the boogie.
Don't blame it on tactics,
Don't blame it on man management,
Don't blame it on 3-5-2,
Blame it on Marwood.

Your tune doesn't scan. Have you thought about a job as a diplomat?

I have as it goes.

Teflon Nip they call me and I learned off the best, Mancini.

'Global warming you say? No, not me I drive a Prius. Blame the Chinese and the Indians!'

'We haven't scored enough, Aguero, Tevez, Balotelli and Dzeko, for meeeee they not clinical enough. We needed RVP. Fucking Marwood. Only this!'

-- Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:30 am --

To the tune of blame it on the boogie.
Don't blame it on tactics,
Don't blame it on man management,
Don't blame it on 3-5-2,
Blame it on Marwood.

I'm not entirely sure it was necessary to point out what tune it was, Nip.

I reckon most folk worked that out for themselves :-)

Now I'd be willing to streak across Asda carpark after the game if the singing section belted that out.

Don't blame it on tactics,
Don't blame it on man management,
Don't blame it on 3-5-2,
Blame it on Marwood!

From now on in, Bobby should be known as Teflon Bob. Bad sub, blame Marwood, lose to Swansea 3-0, blame Marwood.

Lets all forget Marwood was doing what was asked of him, he cannot magic up buyers of players we paid too much for and pay too high wages too can he?

 

[glassyeyes]

Fish stinks from the head.

If it is clear that management is faulty, then Mancini takes the fall.
All the others are just scapegoats.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Fish stinks from the head.

If it is clear that management is faulty, then Mancini takes the fall.
All the others are just scapegoats.

I've read it a few times and this post makes little sense.