Mancini

[Blue Mooner]

Not a can of worms for me Tolm. I've been saying it since the 'ask Marwood' debacle of last summer. That was Mancini criticising khaldoon and the sheikh. The whole demonisation of Marwood is laughable, as is the idea that he would be given the responsibility for deciding how much we should and should not pay for Rvp et al. He was the lacky out on adug's business. The purchasing manager negotiating contracts for the MD and FD.

I'm not saying khaldoon's incompetent before all you Janet and John clowns start burning your straw man. I'm saying when it comes to the football side of things he has no experience prior to the city job. And if you demonise Marwood you by implication demonise the organ grinders who Marwood is the monkey for.

I have a concern that khaldoon may make incorrect calls on the football side but Have much more confidence in the new guys. And Rammy, I do agree that they have been given responsibility for the manager. And I believe they will have already seen through Mancini.

The only people demonising anyone is you lot, if you demonise Mancini you are demonising our owners, it works the same way, whether it is Marwood, Txiki or anyone else you deign to slag off.

When will you appreciate that those of us who support Mancini are therefore happy with what our owners are doing and grown up enough to understand that mistakes will always be made by all organisations, but that doesn't mean we aren't happy with the overall situation.

The only reason I am guessing that Mancini supporters pointed to Marwood is to make you numbnuts realise that you can't always place blame solely at the managers door, particularly where football managers no longer control the whole football side of things like they used to. I think our owners werent happy with Marwoods role in the summer and made the necessary changes.

If you lot shut up there would be no demonising of anyone. Anyway, I'm glad you have at least retreated from the position that implied our owners were at fault for 'your' perceived failings of the club this season.

But just for the avoidance of doubt, most of the Mancini inners are happy with the direction of the club and the manager and therefore fully supportive of the owners - we don't therefore feel the need to 'blame' anyone - unlike your good selves.

Haha.

Those who criticise Mancini are 'slagging off'. Those who criticise Marwood are 'pointing to'.

You couldn't make this lot up, you really couldn't.

I enjoyed the 'if you lot shut up' comment too. It amuses me how threatened some people feel when city fans on a forum discuss an issue that the whole of football are discussing.

I have no problem with you being happy with this season's performances. I'm not, but I don't go around telling those who are to shut up.

It also amuses me to think of the turmoil you'll be thrown into if Mancini is sacked this summer ;-)

I haven't read all this thread but in my case the only reason I would 'point to' Marwood if you are criticising Mancini is to suggest that if you are unhappy with the situation there are more people than Mancini that you could point the finger at.

Me personally, I think that Mancini didn't, for whatever reason, get the players he wanted in the summer and this has to be taken into consideration when analysing this seasons performance. There are other things like the injuries, depth of the squad, tough champs league group etc etc

If our owners do sack Mancini then I'm confident that they would find a top notch replacement and I would have to trust that our they know what they are doing and have more knowledge than I on which to base that decision and I would focus on supporting the new manager. I support city not the manager and I recognise that the owners are far more intrinsic to success than the manager as anyone we get these days would have decent credentials.

I honestly don't think that will be the case however as I think our owners recognise that continuity and stability are important ingredients to long term success, particularly when you already have a top notch, proven winner at the helm.

 

[NipHolmes]

Hey nip lets hope zin doesnt go trolling through your post again regarding Marwood
He would have a field day :)

Looks like you blamed him for everything not so long ago..

I only stated the other day that I also wasn't educated on him and slaughtered him. I even said which thread it was Cookie!

The truth only came out months after the summer and it's pretty clear for all to see. Our wagebill needed to be cut and we had to sell before we bought. The time spent waiting around we lost momentum on signing our target players.

For that, you have to admit, it is extremely harsh to slaughter Marwood.

Personally speaking, last summer I thought our club would've spent and said fuck you to FFP. Last summer was crucial in building on, I said so at the time fella. THe thing is I didn't realise how seriously our club was going to treat FFP.

Look at PSG, that's what we should've done, Mansour seems hellbent on retaining class and doing thing in line with regulations and to come out smelling of roses down the line. If I were him I'd have said bollocks to it all and just gone all out.

As I said though, on reflection I was and people still are harsh on Marwood. He did what was asked of him and couldn't pull rabbits out of hats. His failings can't have been deemed that bad else he'd have been out of a job rather than redeployed to the Academy.

I actually agree Marwood took the wrap for a lot
Tbh though surely everything marwood did or didnt do regarding transfers was approved by Khaldoun

And like you said it looks like ffp is right at the top of the sheikh's priorities,i guess he has pumped enough in
I can only see us only spending whatever money we raise from selling in the summer & balo's fee too..

Lets have it right, following FFP does two things;

1) It fits in with 'right way of doing things model' that every biased pundit, journalist and rival fan vision of how clubs should be ran (even though it's made up as they go along). We have simply invested and built just like any other business. By doing things this way we get less peoples backs up and we have a higher moral ground standing than PSG will have for example. City are already seen as doing things with class (Andy Gray for example) and by going the FFP route we can argue this.

2)It saves HRH Mansour money and I cannot see him moaning about that.

We have TV money, we have Bolo money (I don't know how much due to AC Milan, did they by outright or did they by on the Brighthouse? If the latter it means we don't have that much to spend from transfer) and we have the likes of Kolarov, Nasri, Tevez/Dzeko, Lescott etc. By all means we should have £100m to spend and the savings on wages will be a big factor, I reckon we'll look to trim £20-30m just off that.

Add Nike deal too ;)

 

[simon23]

I cannt believe that some people are criciticising mancini for what he said about Kompany...ferguson is applauded by utd fans for putting the club first yet mancini does it he is criticised by media and our own supporters when he is clearly putting the club first.

Im a mancini innner but i agree with some of the criticisms the outers have; his man management could be better in terms of being more flexible; sometimes players need a kick up the arse sometimes they need an arm round the shoulder and i dont think that mancini is probably very good at the latter.

We certainly havent hit the heights of last season in terms of playing style/flair etc but Mancini was criticised last season for not having a plan B....this season he does but it isnt effective a lot of the time...(though sometimes it has been)

The players brought in: some have been good (Nastasic) some not so good (Garcia, sinclair, Maicon)...I believe Rodwell will be a good purchase if he cah shake these injuries (he is young and we can give him plenty of time to do this so worth the risk imho)

The squad does need a bit of an overhaul (Midfield in particular)......milner and barry are both players who have got us to where we want to go but both have shown that at the highest level (international) that they arent good enough (Im a massive fan of barry the way he plays for us btw and milner works harder than any player but as an attacking option he is very limited even in his more preffered central role). Garica as I mentioned isnt good enough in my opinion....otHer players have taken us to the prem title as well but at the highest level are good enough....kolorov being another eg of this.....BUT this is all about progression and developing the squad in stages which is what needed to happen....we had to pay over the odds for those players (not mancinis fault or the clubs ....but the fault of greedy selling clubs like everton!)

Mancini has however vastly improved some players already here..the likes of richards, zabba, barry, hart kompany have all improved and lets not forget tevez who was hounded on this forum by many for being "greedy" etc...mancini despite his falling outs with tevez has got him playing a completely different role in a deeper lying position where i believe he is playing well (not scorring as many but overall performances have been very good)

To get to the top...ie doing well in the champs league, we will need further additions....that is not mancinis fault as when he bought players like kolorov etc we were never dining at the very top table,,,we were still new.....maybe we still cannt at present and we need a few more successes to get these players in and at domestic level mancini has already shown that he can do this. There isnt a manager around who hasnt bought the odd flop or two in their career..

Id give mancini next season at least....for me its about him and the team/club being given the chance to rise to the challenge set by utd and possibly the return of Jose to chelski, plus the ever threat of the likes of spurs, arsenal and everton and a resurrgent liverpool.

I want to see if we can get back to the standard of last season which is the best football ive ever seen us play in 38 yrs of supporting the club. I want to see kompany and mancini stick it to the rag media again.

The best team doesnt always win

Utd have been better than us this season and in particular they are consistent...but Id rather watch our brand of football when we hit the heights that we are capable of (and remember it was mancini that got us to those heights)...the chelsea win was the most recent example of this....than watch the style of football played at utd/spurs

 

[Blue Mooner]

The only people demonising anyone is you lot, if you demonise Mancini you are demonising our owners, it works the same way, whether it is Marwood, Txiki or anyone else you deign to slag off.

So let me get this right. If Mancini plays 3-5-2 against Everton and they stuff us then the Sheikh's a ****?

Tbh that's such a stupid example that I can't believe I'm actually going to respond to explain as I think you know you are being facetious. however......

No one said that a critique of a match, a player, a formation is a criticism of the owners, that's a down in the weeds critique, based on one game, where your feelings and views could change from game to game - no major decision is made at this level.

The criticism in here is at a macro level saying Mancini should be sacked for xxx reasons, if you believe that, and our owners appointed him and for he time being are sticking with him, then that is a criticism of our owners for sticking with him.

You can't therefore equate a criticism of Marwood as being a criticism of our owners without Mancini critics equating to the same thing.... That is the point.

But by the way, those of us who are more pragmatic and understanding, realise that mistakes can be made at whatever level it is, however, it is not these individual mistakes that matter it is the overall outcomes that count and currently since our owners took over I am very, very happy with the outcomes.

Unfortunately, you and your ilk are not and are therefore by criticising the loyalty to Mancini you are criticising our owners which is crass in the extreme.

 

[simon23]

Not a can of worms for me Tolm. I've been saying it since the 'ask Marwood' debacle of last summer. That was Mancini criticising khaldoon and the sheikh. The whole demonisation of Marwood is laughable, as is the idea that he would be given the responsibility for deciding how much we should and should not pay for Rvp et al. He was the lacky out on adug's business. The purchasing manager negotiating contracts for the MD and FD.

I'm not saying khaldoon's incompetent before all you Janet and John clowns start burning your straw man. I'm saying when it comes to the football side of things he has no experience prior to the city job. And if you demonise Marwood you by implication demonise the organ grinders who Marwood is the monkey for.

I have a concern that khaldoon may make incorrect calls on the football side but Have much more confidence in the new guys. And Rammy, I do agree that they have been given responsibility for the manager. And I believe they will have already seen through Mancini.

The only people demonising anyone is you lot, if you demonise Mancini you are demonising our owners, it works the same way, whether it is Marwood, Txiki or anyone else you deign to slag off.

When will you appreciate that those of us who support Mancini are therefore happy with what our owners are doing and grown up enough to understand that mistakes will always be made by all organisations, but that doesn't mean we aren't happy with the overall situation.

The only reason I am guessing that Mancini supporters pointed to Marwood is to make you numbnuts realise that you can't always place blame solely at the managers door, particularly where football managers no longer control the whole football side of things like they used to. I think our owners werent happy with Marwoods role in the summer and made the necessary changes.

If you lot shut up there would be no demonising of anyone. Anyway, I'm glad you have at least retreated from the position that implied our owners were at fault for 'your' perceived failings of the club this season.

But just for the avoidance of doubt, most of the Mancini inners are happy with the direction of the club and the manager and therefore fully supportive of the owners - we don't therefore feel the need to 'blame' anyone - unlike your good selves.

Haha.

Those who criticise Mancini are 'slagging off'. Those who criticise Marwood are 'pointing to'.

You couldn't make this lot up, you really couldn't.

I enjoyed the 'if you lot shut up' comment too. It amuses me how threatened some people feel when city fans on a forum discuss an issue that the whole of football are discussing.

I have no problem with you being happy with this season's performances. I'm not, but I don't go around telling those who are to shut up.

It also amuses me to think of the turmoil you'll be thrown into if Mancini is sacked this summer ;-)

comments like this arent going to help a debate either though are they.....?????

 

[Blue Mooner]

I cannt believe that some people are criciticising mancini for what he said about Kompany...ferguson is applauded by utd fans for putting the club first yet mancini does it he is criticised by media and our own supporters when he is clearly putting the club first.

Im a mancini innner but i agree with some of the criticisms the outers have; his man management could be better in terms of being more flexible; sometimes players need a kick up the arse sometimes they need an arm round the shoulder and i dont think that mancini is probably very good at the latter.

We certainly havent hit the heights of last season in terms of playing style/flair etc but Mancini was criticised last season for not having a plan B....this season he does but it isnt effective a lot of the time...(though sometimes it has been)

The players brought in: some have been good (Nastasic) some not so good (Garcia, sinclair, Maicon)...I believe Rodwell will be a good purchase if he cah shake these injuries (he is young and we can give him plenty of time to do this so worth the risk imho)

The squad does need a bit of an overhaul (Midfield in particular)......milner and barry are both players who have got us to where we want to go but both have shown that at the highest level (international) that they arent good enough (Im a massive fan of barry the way he plays for us btw and milner works harder than any player but as an attacking option he is very limited even in his more preffered central role). Garica as I mentioned isnt good enough in my opinion....otHer players have taken us to the prem title as well but at the highest level are good enough....kolorov being another eg of this.....BUT this is all about progression and developing the squad in stages which is what needed to happen....we had to pay over the odds for those players (not mancinis fault or the clubs ....but the fault of greedy selling clubs like everton!)

Mancini has however vastly improved some players already here..the likes of richards, zabba, barry, hart kompany have all improved and lets not forget tevez who was hounded on this forum by many for being "greedy" etc...mancini despite his falling outs with tevez has got him playing a completely different role in a deeper lying position where i believe he is playing well (not scorring as many but overall performances have been very good)

To get to the top...ie doing well in the champs league, we will need further additions....that is not mancinis fault as when he bought players like kolorov etc we were never dining at the very top table,,,we were still new.....maybe we still cannt at present and we need a few more successes to get these players in and at domestic level mancini has already shown that he can do this. There isnt a manager around who hasnt bought the odd flop or two in their career..

Id give mancini next season at least....for me its about him and the team/club being given the chance to rise to the challenge set by utd and possibly the return of Jose to chelski, plus the ever threat of the likes of spurs, arsenal and everton and a resurrgent liverpool.

I want to see if we can get back to the standard of last season which is the best football ive ever seen us play in 38 yrs of supporting the club. I want to see kompany and mancini stick it to the rag media again.

The best team doesnt always win

Utd have been better than us this season and in particular they are consistent...but Id rather watch our brand of football when we hit the heights that we are capable of (and remember it was mancini that got us to those heights)...the chelsea win was the most recent example of this....than watch the style of football played at utd/spurs

Agree with most of this, it is refreshing to read a balanced and considered analysis of our progress rather than the extreme outlandish statements that get bandied about.

I think you have summed the situation up well. This is not a time for panic stations or knee jerk responses, it needs a considered evaluation of where certain parts didnt go right when compared to last season and then to make the necessary adjustments.

Mancini has earned the right to carry on and make those adjustments and additions to the squad.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I'd be really grateful if someone could
Point out just one good thing that can come of Mancini using the media to criticise the club captain. Just one single reason why this was better plastered all over the media today rather than behind closed doors.

 

[simon23]

I'd be really grateful if someone could
Point out just one good thing that can come of Mancini using the media to criticise the club captain. Just one single reason why this was better plastered all over the media today rather than behind closed doors.

In the future it might not happen again?

It shows that mancini cares about the club above all others football?

Did you want Vinny risked....I know I didnt and what if his calf injury had occured again he would have probably missed the majority of the rest of the season.....like mancini said he didnt play him vs everton so not to risk him for the newcastle game and the semi final of the fa cup....yet he is played for begium a week or so later?

Ferguson has been doing this for years (publicly)...even to the extent of getting players to retire from international football to concentrate on club football and he is applauded for it by utd fans cause he wants the best for the club.

Mancini is standing up for MCFC....something he should be applauded for.....fuck the media!

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I'd be really grateful if someone could
Point out just one good thing that can come of Mancini using the media to criticise the club captain. Just one single reason why this was better plastered all over the media today rather than behind closed doors.

In the future it might not happen again?

It shows that mancini cares about the club above all others football?

Did you want Vinny risked....I know I didnt and what if his calf injury had occured again he would have probably missed the majority of the rest of the season.....like mancini said he didnt play him vs everton so not to risk him for the newcastle game and the semi final of the fa cup....yet he is played for begium a week or so later?

Ferguson has been doing this for years (publicly)...even to the extent of getting players to retire from international football to concentrate on club football and he is applauded for it by utd fans cause he wants the best for the club.

Mancini is standing up for MCFC....something he should be applauded for.....fuck the media!

So why not do it behind closed doors rather than piss your captain off by having it all over the media?

 

[simon23]

I'd be really grateful if someone could
Point out just one good thing that can come of Mancini using the media to criticise the club captain. Just one single reason why this was better plastered all over the media today rather than behind closed doors.

In the future it might not happen again?

It shows that mancini cares about the club above all others football?

Did you want Vinny risked....I know I didnt and what if his calf injury had occured again he would have probably missed the majority of the rest of the season.....like mancini said he didnt play him vs everton so not to risk him for the newcastle game and the semi final of the fa cup....yet he is played for begium a week or so later?

Ferguson has been doing this for years (publicly)...even to the extent of getting players to retire from international football to concentrate on club football and he is applauded for it by utd fans cause he wants the best for the club.

Mancini is standing up for MCFC....something he should be applauded for.....fuck the media!

So why not do it behind closed doors rather than piss your captain off by having it all over the media?

Do you know its pissed vinny off?

He was asked a question...if he had refused to answer they would have assumed....if he had lied they would have made it up/suggested it anyway.

It needs to be said because he is right to do so