Mancini

[Blue Mooner]

My respect for Mancini erodes by the week. I fully respect those who want him to stay and their reasons for doing so.

I'm just sick of him starting unnecessary fires, it's every week.

His comments about Nasri are old ground, we've heard it before. I happen to agree with the sentiments, but doing so in public was not for me.

Mancini's comments today, however, are the last straw for me.

Apparently we have a 100 year history but have only been born for two.

He continues to be derogatory about our club.

Someone should tell him Joe Mercer won five trophies in two years just a few decades back and that's something Mancini can't now match.

It was those tales from my dad which kept me going, when I thought what was all this shit from the beginning of the 80s.

More importantly, his comments about Vinny.

Apparently, he was in the wrong to play for Belgium now, having first pointed the finger at the Belgium national doctors on Thursday.

I don't need him questioning the club I love, regardless of our history, and certainly a captain who I will always proud to lead us.

Despite the fact that Vinny put his country very clearly before his club!? I love Vinny, still do, but that doesn't mean I wasn't p*ssed off at him ignoring the clubs advice re his rehabilitation. Would you have been lauding Vinny had he had a setback in that game?

I think you are twisting what Mancini is trying to say, I am not so ignorant as to not understand that this club, that I love, achieved the sum total of f*ck all for all the time I have been supporting them up until Mancini arrived.

The late 60's ? What was that? Most of us weren't even alive to see that success, yes it's a part of our rich history but it is the dim and distant past. Forest were very successful at one time, so were wolves, so were Burnley , so were Bolton but that doesn't mean that to take those clubs to success, irrespective of money, would not be a huge achievement.

That is what Bobby has done and it is right for him to remind us to remember where we have come from, remain grounded and not attain the self righteous attitude of the rags.

Vinny did not put country before club - as Mancini later discovered - Belgium liased with City on a daily basis about his fitness.

As it is, national teams hold the power. Do you think Vinny will be content at basically being called a snide and not having City's or his own fitness interests at heart?

I look around City's supporter base and it is certainly still made up of people who were around 40-odd years ago, or were of the next generation to come through.

It was Mancini who used the 100 years claim, he is stating we have been nothing up until this period.

Which coincidentally, just happens to be whilst he has been at the helm.

If I said to a Forest fan, you have no history for 100 years, they would be well within their rights to tell me to fuck off and show me those two shiny European Cup wins.

I haven't seen the full quote you refer to, but as with anything when it comes to Mancini I always think we have to remember that English is not his first language so these things are very often down to interpretation and/or the spin the media choose to use.

Personally I think you are being way too sensitive and simply wanting to read something negative into what has been said.

 

[Blue Heaven]

Despite the fact that Vinny put his country very clearly before his club!? I love Vinny, still do, but that doesn't mean I wasn't p*ssed off at him ignoring the clubs advice re his rehabilitation. Would you have been lauding Vinny had he had a setback in that game?

I think you are twisting what Mancini is trying to say, I am not so ignorant as to not understand that this club, that I love, achieved the sum total of f*ck all for all the time I have been supporting them up until Mancini arrived.

The late 60's ? What was that? Most of us weren't even alive to see that success, yes it's a part of our rich history but it is the dim and distant past. Forest were very successful at one time, so were wolves, so were Burnley , so were Bolton but that doesn't mean that to take those clubs to success, irrespective of money, would not be a huge achievement.

That is what Bobby has done and it is right for him to remind us to remember where we have come from, remain grounded and not attain the self righteous attitude of the rags.

Vinny, like all national squad players, has resposibilities to BOTH club and country. Bobby knows this but doesn't seem to care. Then again, maybe it's because Baggio and others were always ahead of him in the pecking order for Italy.

Possibly. What a player Baggio was, though!

The Divine Ponytail. Yes, I adored him, as well as two other Italian players - Mancini and my all-time favorite player, Alex del Piero.

 

[OB1]

The late 60's ? What was that? Most of us weren't even alive to see that success, yes it's a part of our rich history but it is the dim and distant past. Forest were very successful at one time, so were wolves, so were Burnley , so were Bolton but that doesn't mean that to take those clubs to success, irrespective of money, would not be a huge achievement.

Listen up. Not all of us are wet behind the ear know nowts! Some of us were born in the 60's and grew up watching a strong Manchester City.

No wonder you don't appear to understand the concept of respect.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

And to think someone questioned whether this thread would eventually reach 600 pages.

Before the Bank Holiday Weekend is out, I'll wager.

 

[blueinsa]

Is it Nasri not doing as he's instructed and staying out wide, or Mancini not playing him where he's most influential?

Interesting question and the answer is something that has always puzzled and worried me about Bob.

Since the day he arrived he has made it clear that he expects his players to be comfortable in more than one role and whilst on paper it sounds like utopia, the reality is that barring a handful of players in the world, it just wont ever happen.

A left back is a left back, a centre forward id just that, a centre forward and the constant tinkering of players positions, couple with a sometimes baffling rotation policy has seen it just not work with many players.

Bobs biggest folly was the constant use of Balo out in a wide position when it was clear the lad needed to play straight up through the middle.

 

[Danamy]

Since it was ignored earlier I'll try one more time. Has anyone got an example of a player Mancini has criticised publicly who has gone on to excel under him ?

For the benefit of the tape, there was no reply!

 

[Blue Heaven]

The worrying thing for me is him not knowing what makes Nasri tick?

It's clear that when Nasri comes inside he plays his best football and when he stays out wide it's like we only have ten on the pitch.

Is it Nasri not doing as he's instructed and staying out wide, or Mancini not playing him where he's most influential?

Nasri is clearly more effective inside. However, although he is very good in possession usually, he sometimes takes an inordinate number of touches and generally tends to slow down play. Not that Bobby cares about bringing the ball out quickly...

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

In today's MEN... "This club was born 100 years ago, but as a strong team we were born two years ago, and every year you need to improve your team."

Ladyman in the Mail today - "Vinny knows his behaviour was not good."

I read that quote as meaning THIS team/squad was only born two years ago.
I don't think he's downplaying the history of the club, he's just saying the squad we currently have is still young in its development and we need to keep improving.
Think people are starting to look for things that simply aren't there.

I respect Tolmie's well thought out and expressed opinions, but he is reading far far too much into this situation. I don't accept for a moment that Mancini would be derogatory towards the club. On the contrary I believe that he loves the club. It's all in the interpretation. If he had used the word 'reborn' (which I think is what he meant) then this debate would be groundless.

In relation to Vinny, none of us know what went on behind the scenes in relation to a medical clearance to play, and what discussions took place between the various doctors involved. I can see that having been out for so long there would of course be concern about him playing 90 minutes. None of our club players come back and play 90 minutes after being out for so long.

In regard to Nasri, Mancini said it with a smile on his face. It was a joke (with of course some intent because we all know that Nasri has cost u s this season by cruising through games). Despite those occupying the high moral ground I don't have a problem with Mancini saying it.

Cheers Jolly, and others will let it slide, which is also their entitlement.

My own interpretation, with each passing week in fact, is Mancini going out of his way to remind us all how lucky we are to have him, how grateful we should all be, without fear of contradiction or review.

Just on your username. What is your take on his treatment of Lescott this season?

I have never been his biggest fan when it comes to actual technique, but he's had it shabby from Mancini.

The lad is a fantastic pro.

 

[bapi]

Mancini is an arrogant, egoistic c***!

 

[Blue Heaven]

Spot on

Unusually agree with OB1 on this, however, you can only judge management on its outcomes and the outcomes have been pretty good in anyone's book.

It would be great if Harry Redknapps arm round the shoulder approach worked but with today's footballers, many of whom are arrogant beyond belief, the softly softly approach will not work, it is simply a license for players to run the dressing room JohnTerry style.

Mancini is tough, no nonsense and is not afraid to show who is the boss, he is not there to be liked he is there to get results and he has done a bl**dy good job to date. Plus none of us have the inside track on how he manages at an individual level in the dressing room or the role the coaches play in installing confidence.

Plus, you place far too much credence on what you read in the press and the spin they put on everything. When will you understand that these journo's want to stoke up division and disharmony? I have seen nothing from any of the players to suggest they have an axe to grind with Mancini.

It would be nice if you took the same standards as you expect of the manager with the fans - indeed bad fans can make players hate their workplace and that will inevitably affect their performance and I now that can apply to top footballerspot and kettle me thinks.

It seems to me that the Mancini outers have lost the argument based on what Mancini has achieved. It's obvious they just don't like his managerial 'style' and that is a pathetic reason to replace any manager, it has to be based on achievement.

^^^This^^^

How did we do in the Carling?
How did we fare in our CL group?
How many points behind ManUre are we in the League?

We are in the FA Cup semis, and hopefully we will win it. Other than that, this season has been something of a disaster, considering the relative strength of our squad.