Mancini

[OB1]

Kenobi, what can one really say about someone who cannot the fathom the difference to an employee between his boss and a customer?

He's still at school?

 

[jollylescott]

I read that quote as meaning THIS team/squad was only born two years ago.
I don't think he's downplaying the history of the club, he's just saying the squad we currently have is still young in its development and we need to keep improving.
Think people are starting to look for things that simply aren't there.

I respect Tolmie's well thought out and expressed opinions, but he is reading far far too much into this situation. I don't accept for a moment that Mancini would be derogatory towards the club. On the contrary I believe that he loves the club. It's all in the interpretation. If he had used the word 'reborn' (which I think is what he meant) then this debate would be groundless.

In relation to Vinny, none of us know what went on behind the scenes in relation to a medical clearance to play, and what discussions took place between the various doctors involved. I can see that having been out for so long there would of course be concern about him playing 90 minutes. None of our club players come back and play 90 minutes after being out for so long.

In regard to Nasri, Mancini said it with a smile on his face. It was a joke (with of course some intent because we all know that Nasri has cost u s this season by cruising through games). Despite those occupying the high moral ground I don't have a problem with Mancini saying it.

Cheers Jolly, and others will let it slide, which is also their entitlement.

My own interpretation, with each passing week in fact, is Mancini going out of his way to remind us all how lucky we are to have him, how grateful we should all be, without fear of contradiction or review.

Just on your username. What is your take on his treatment of Lescott this season?

I have never been his biggest fan when it comes to actual technique, but he's had it shabby from Mancini.

The lad is a fantastic pro.

Football really is a tough business. Joleon played such a key role in the momentous events of last season. Then he blinked and there was a fantastic new kid on the block who is potentially one of the best defenders we have seen. Then he blinks again and he is on the bench.

Having read a little in the media about some of the difficulties that Joleon had to overcome as a kid and young man, I have total respect for him. Not once this season has his head dropped. He still walks with pride. He is trying to establish a post football career in fashion.

I actually think it will be a sad day when he leaves the club. I understand that in business there is little room for emotion. Nevertheless he IS a fantastic pro. He has had to cop a hard lesson this season, and he has carried that with some dignity, and when called upon still played a great game on the weekend. I even spotted a step over at one stage!

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Since it was ignored earlier I'll try one more time. Has anyone got an example of a player Mancini has criticised publicly who has gone on to excel under him ?

This is actually a fair point, per se.

It conspicuously ignores, however, the players he has improved without feeling the need to criticise them before, or more germanely, subsequently.

-- Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:51 am --

Mancini is an arrogant, egoistic c***!

Point me towards a couple of successful, contemporary manager that aren't.

It sort of comes with the job description.

Klopp, Heynckes, Hiddink, Valverde, Pellegrini, Benitez, Mazzarri, Conte, Ancelotti, Bielsa, Scolari, Klinsman, Deschamps, Guardiola, etc.

If you don't think they're all ego maniacs then you have little grasp of what it takes to manage a group of millionaires in their twenties, deal with the modern media and meet the expectations of ever more demanding owners in football today. Just because it doesn't manifest itself as evidently in all of them, doesn't make it any less true.

I make no criticism of them for this. I am an ego maniac myself, but there is no way anyone lacking that level of self-confidence and steely determination would make it in the modern game at the highest level.

It requires absolute self-belief, as there is so much that can, and does, go wrong. Forces which more diffident men cannot possibly begin to control.

 

[Blue Heaven]

Look I realise Mancini is not to everyones liking personality wise but at least compared with Hughes he has a personality.

Well, compared to Albert Schweitzer, Adolf Hitler had a much bigger personality. Who would you rather have invited to a dinner party?

Of course, a better comparison to Mancini vs. Hughes might be Stalin and Pol Pot.

 

[Tourist since 1971]

^^^This^^^[/quote]

How did we do in the Carling?
How did we fare in our CL group?
How many points behind ManUre are we in the League?

We are in the FA Cup semis, and hopefully we will win it. Other than that, this season has been something of a disaster, considering the relative strength of our squad.[/quote]

Disaster!
Bloody hell, we were IN in the CL. We are in the same division as the rags and are their only real competitors. We are at least a class above 17 teams in the Prem and practically guaranteed CL entry next season. We are in the semis of the FA Cup with a blinding chance of winning it. Yes we had a crap performance against Villa in the LCup, and a couple of dodgy ones in a CL group which is likely to provide 2 of the 4 semi finalists, but hey they are the breaks. Our league performances haven't been world class but have coincided with a remarkable season (for whatever reason) for the rags which is why we are so far behind, but then so is everyone else.
Let's hope for more disasters - the rags can't do that every year, the CL draw won't be as awful every year, we won't play so badly in a couple of CL games every year.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Kenobi, what can one really say about someone who cannot the fathom the difference to an employee between his boss and a customer?

He's still at school?

Do you seriously think that infantile jibes like this further your cause?
This latest childish example,your throwaway 'playground' comment of a page ago,and your fellow Exeter 'outer' calling those with the temerity to disagree with him 'melon heads' actually makes you look an awful lot more immature than those you decry.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It conspicuously ignores, however, the players he has improved without feeling the need to criticise them before, or more germanely, subsequently.

Why would I feel the need to discuss players Mancini has improved when we're discussing his criticism of certain players publicly, and just how effective that is a as a way of man managing or motivating.

That's fair comment, as was your original one.

Just trying to bring a little balance to proceedings.

 

[blueinsa]

Kenobi, what can one really say about someone who cannot the fathom the difference to an employee between his boss and a customer?

He's still at school?

Do you seriously think that infantile jibes like this further your cause?
This latest childish example,your throwaway 'playground' comment of a page ago,and your fellow Exeter 'outer' calling those with the temerity to disagree with him 'melon heads' actually makes you look an awful lot more immature than those you decry.

From you, that faux outcry is just pure fucking comedy gold.

I await your response which I am sure will prove my point eloquently.

 

[OB1]

If you don't think they're all ego maniacs then you have little grasp of what it takes to manage a group of millionaires in their twenties, deal with the modern media and meet the expectations of ever more demanding owners in football today. Just because it doesn't manifest itself as evidently in all of them, doesn't make it any less true.

I make no criticism of them for this. I am an ego maniac myself, but there is no way anyone lacking that level of self-confidence and steely determination would make it in the modern game at the highest level.

It requires absolute self-belief, as there is so much that can, and does, go wrong. Forces which more diffident men cannot possibly begin to control.

Even footballers with egos and the qualities to make it at the highest level (and I really mean the highest level) can be affected by how their manager treats them - it really is that simple.

 

[robbieh]

Look I realise Mancini is not to everyones liking personality wise but at least compared with Hughes he has a personality.

Well, compared to Albert Schweitzer, Adolf Hitler had a much bigger personality. Who would you rather have invited to a dinner party?

Of course, a better comparison to Mancini vs. Hughes might be Stalin and Pol Pot.

Very droll. And withe refernce to your previous list
Klopp, Heynckes, Hiddink, Valverde, Pellegrini, Benitez, Mazzarri, Conte, Ancelotti, Bielsa, Scolari, Klinsman, Deschamps, Guardiola, etc.

Benitez, Bielsa, Scolari, Klinsmann and Deschamps have very large egos.

As for Pellegrini maybe he´s a nice arm round the shoulder guy, but as I have stated a few times he has won fuck all in a european career the same length as Mancini´s.