Mancini

[Exeter Blue I am here]

My respect for Mancini erodes by the week. I fully respect those who want him to stay and their reasons for doing so.

I'm just sick of him starting unnecessary fires, it's every week.

His comments about Nasri are old ground, we've heard it before. I happen to agree with the sentiments, but doing so in public was not for me.

Mancini's comments today, however, are the last straw for me.

Apparently we have a 100 year history but have only been born for two.

He continues to be derogatory about our club.

Someone should tell him Joe Mercer won five trophies in two years just a few decades back and that's something Mancini can't now match.

It was those tales from my dad which kept me going, when I thought what was all this shit from the beginning of the 80s.

More importantly, his comments about Vinny.

Apparently, he was in the wrong to play for Belgium now, having first pointed the finger at the Belgium national doctors on Thursday.

I don't need him questioning the club I love, regardless of our history, and certainly a captain who I will always proud to lead us.

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[Blue Heaven]

My respect for Mancini erodes by the week. I fully respect those who want him to stay and their reasons for doing so.

I'm just sick of him starting unnecessary fires, it's every week.

His comments about Nasri are old ground, we've heard it before. I happen to agree with the sentiments, but doing so in public was not for me.

Mancini's comments today, however, are the last straw for me.

Apparently we have a 100 year history but have only been born for two.

He continues to be derogatory about our club.

Someone should tell him Joe Mercer won five trophies in two years just a few decades back and that's something Mancini can't now match.

It was those tales from my dad which kept me going, when I thought what was all this shit from the beginning of the 80s.

More importantly, his comments about Vinny.

Apparently, he was in the wrong to play for Belgium now, having first pointed the finger at the Belgium national doctors on Thursday.

I don't need him questioning the club I love, regardless of our history, and certainly a captain who I will always proud to lead us.

Despite the fact that Vinny put his country very clearly before his club!? I love Vinny, still do, but that doesn't mean I wasn't p*ssed off at him ignoring the clubs advice re his rehabilitation. Would you have been lauding Vinny had he had a setback in that game?

I think you are twisting what Mancini is trying to say, I am not so ignorant as to not understand that this club, that I love, achieved the sum total of f*ck all for all the time I have been supporting them up until Mancini arrived.

The late 60's ? What was that? Most of us weren't even alive to see that success, yes it's a part of our rich history but it is the dim and distant past. Forest were very successful at one time, so were wolves, so were Burnley , so were Bolton but that doesn't mean that to take those clubs to success, irrespective of money, would not be a huge achievement.

That is what Bobby has done and it is right for him to remind us to remember where we have come from, remain grounded and not attain the self righteous attitude of the rags.

Vinny, like all national squad players, has resposibilities to BOTH club and country. Bobby knows this but doesn't seem to care. Then again, maybe it's because Baggio and others were always ahead of him in the pecking order for Italy.

 

[squirtyflower]

I grasped exactly what you were on about two hours ago, trolls are trolls however they dress it up

PS, just to make it clear, that is my opinion

 

[Blue Heaven]

As an "outer" I don't see too much wrong in that quote from Bob.

I agree. He was simply pointing out that we weren't contenders in recent times until a few years ago.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

My respect for Mancini erodes by the week. I fully respect those who want him to stay and their reasons for doing so.

I'm just sick of him starting unnecessary fires, it's every week.

His comments about Nasri are old ground, we've heard it before. I happen to agree with the sentiments, but doing so in public was not for me.

Mancini's comments today, however, are the last straw for me.

Apparently we have a 100 year history but have only been born for two.

He continues to be derogatory about our club.

Someone should tell him Joe Mercer won five trophies in two years just a few decades back and that's something Mancini can't now match.

It was those tales from my dad which kept me going, when I thought what was all this shit from the beginning of the 80s.

More importantly, his comments about Vinny.

Apparently, he was in the wrong to play for Belgium now, having first pointed the finger at the Belgium national doctors on Thursday.

I don't need him questioning the club I love, regardless of our history, and certainly a captain who I will always proud to lead us.

Despite the fact that Vinny put his country very clearly before his club!? I love Vinny, still do, but that doesn't mean I wasn't p*ssed off at him ignoring the clubs advice re his rehabilitation. Would you have been lauding Vinny had he had a setback in that game?

I think you are twisting what Mancini is trying to say, I am not so ignorant as to not understand that this club, that I love, achieved the sum total of f*ck all for all the time I have been supporting them up until Mancini arrived.

The late 60's ? What was that? Most of us weren't even alive to see that success, yes it's a part of our rich history but it is the dim and distant past. Forest were very successful at one time, so were wolves, so were Burnley , so were Bolton but that doesn't mean that to take those clubs to success, irrespective of money, would not be a huge achievement.

That is what Bobby has done and it is right for him to remind us to remember where we have come from, remain grounded and not attain the self righteous attitude of the rags.

Vinny did not put country before club - as Mancini later discovered - Belgium liased with City on a daily basis about his fitness.

As it is, national teams hold the power. Do you think Vinny will be content at basically being called a snide and not having City's or his own fitness interests at heart?

I look around City's supporter base and it is certainly still made up of people who were around 40-odd years ago, or were of the next generation to come through.

It was Mancini who used the 100 years claim, he is stating we have been nothing up until this period.

Which coincidentally, just happens to be whilst he has been at the helm.

If I said to a Forest fan, you have no history for 100 years, they would be well within their rights to tell me to fuck off and show me those two shiny European Cup wins.

 

[Blue Mooner]

I have to wonder just how many people on here have ever managed other people? (I'm not looking for people to answer that question).

I also wonder how many people actually know any top class professional footballers and found that, aside from their sporting gifts, they are just like the rest of us? Thanks to the fact that my kid brother and his family became very good friends with a (now former) City player and his family when they moved to the club, I met said footballer, heard lots of stories from the reigns of three different managers and even chatted at some length a couple of times (in the Players' Lounge) with the sports psychologist that City had employed.

The long and the short of it is that if anyone on this forum is under the impression that how a manager treats his staff - be they footballers or not - does not make a difference, they are deluded.

People my love their profession but it does not mean that they will love their workplace; indeed a bad manager can make people hate their workplace and that will inevitably affect their performance and I know that can apply to top footballers.


Creative tension, my arse.

Spot on

Unusually agree with OB1 on this, however, you can only judge management on its outcomes and the outcomes have been pretty good in anyone's book.

It would be great if Harry Redknapps arm round the shoulder approach worked but with today's footballers, many of whom are arrogant beyond belief, the softly softly approach will not work, it is simply a license for players to run the dressing room JohnTerry style.

Mancini is tough, no nonsense and is not afraid to show who is the boss, he is not there to be liked he is there to get results and he has done a bl**dy good job to date. Plus none of us have the inside track on how he manages at an individual level in the dressing room or the role the coaches play in installing confidence.

Plus, you place far too much credence on what you read in the press and the spin they put on everything. When will you understand that these journo's want to stoke up division and disharmony? I have seen nothing from any of the players to suggest they have an axe to grind with Mancini.

It would be nice if you took the same standards as you expect of the manager with the fans - indeed bad fans can make players hate their workplace and that will inevitably affect their performance and I now that can apply to top footballerspot and kettle me thinks.

It seems to me that the Mancini outers have lost the argument based on what Mancini has achieved. It's obvious they just don't like his managerial 'style' and that is a pathetic reason to replace any manager, it has to be based on achievement.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Vinny may have been fit to play, but to play for the full 90 mins was foolhardy in the extreme. He deserved the Mancini lecture.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

If I said to a Forest fan, you have no history for 100 years, they would be well within their rights to tell me to fuck off and show me those two shiny European Cup wins.

You don't need to tell them that for them to waffle endlessly about their European Cup wins.

They talk of little else.

 

[NipHolmes]

My respect for Mancini erodes by the week. I fully respect those who want him to stay and their reasons for doing so.

I'm just sick of him starting unnecessary fires, it's every week.

His comments about Nasri are old ground, we've heard it before. I happen to agree with the sentiments, but doing so in public was not for me.

Mancini's comments today, however, are the last straw for me.

Apparently we have a 100 year history but have only been born for two.

He continues to be derogatory about our club.

Someone should tell him Joe Mercer won five trophies in two years just a few decades back and that's something Mancini can't now match.

It was those tales from my dad which kept me going, when I thought what was all this shit from the beginning of the 80s.

More importantly, his comments about Vinny.

Apparently, he was in the wrong to play for Belgium now, having first pointed the finger at the Belgium national doctors on Thursday.

I don't need him questioning the club I love, regardless of our history, and certainly a captain who I will always proud to lead us.

Despite the fact that Vinny put his country very clearly before his club!? I love Vinny, still do, but that doesn't mean I wasn't p*ssed off at him ignoring the clubs advice re his rehabilitation. Would you have been lauding Vinny had he had a setback in that game?

I think you are twisting what Mancini is trying to say, I am not so ignorant as to not understand that this club, that I love, achieved the sum total of f*ck all for all the time I have been supporting them up until Mancini arrived.

The late 60's ? What was that? Most of us weren't even alive to see that success, yes it's a part of our rich history but it is the dim and distant past. Forest were very successful at one time, so were wolves, so were Burnley , so were Bolton but that doesn't mean that to take those clubs to success, irrespective of money, would not be a huge achievement.

That is what Bobby has done and it is right for him to remind us to remember where we have come from, remain grounded and not attain the self righteous attitude of the rags.

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It is always Country before Club. Always. I hear the 'we pay wages' but that frankly is neither here nor there, he was born in another country and his club are foreign to him. He should always put Belgium before City.

I'd be willing to see City win nothing for the next 3 years if it meant we lift the world cup in Rio.

People may think different to me and imo that's why this countries fucking useless when it comes to society. People celebrate St Patricks day yet St Georges is hardly celebrated here, look at the Dutch in a few weeks on Queens day for a recent upcoming example. This country lacks national pride, people say they're proud but they don't show it other than the odd tubthumping about our soldiers and the baddies in middle east etc.

To hear a player get criticised for playing for a country is bollocks. Fair play to Vinny.

What we need is a some pride in this country, some togetherness in this country. Isn't it great when you go to a pub you've never been to before and a local says ''how y'do'' to you. I love nothing more than going to a pub for a match and St Georges flags are up and everybody is friendly and happy. Instead we have moaners like yourself who begrudge a player who shows some national pride who wants to wear his countries colours.

Get some understanding. Just because Britain is a fractured socitey with angry, bitter and resentful moaners doesn't mean the rest of the world are. or should be. It breaks my fucking heart to read drivel like you posted because it makes me think things are doomed here because opinions like yours are echoed throughout the country.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Please provide FACTS to support these opinions. Honestly, we cannot have you misrepresenting your personal opinions as FACTS on this board. It would be most unhealthy, don't you agree?

I understand that English may not be your first language, but i believe the use of the word 'appears' substantiates the sentence as an opinion and, as such, doesn't need qualifying facts you tiresome little man

Oooh, we're getting personal now, are we? 'appears' does not substantiate your sentence as an opinion - if I stated "it appears to be blue" and it actually is blue, then it's a fact, not an opinion (just an example for you). This is the central point of my original definition of "fact" as opposed to "opinion." You didn't grasp this earlier, but you've got another shot at the brass ring here. Good luck.

'Appears' does quantify the statement as opinion.
Something actually being the thing you thought it was merely confirms the accuracy and validity of an opinion you were previously unsure of.
So he is correct,and you are wrong.