Mancini

[bobmcfc]

Have I clicked on a PMT thread by mistake ??

It happens to blokes more than you think

 

[Bluemoon115]

Have I clicked on a PMT thread by mistake ??

It happens to blokes more than you think

I've heard that before.

 

[samharris]

You never fail to let me down Rob. You're one of those posters who whenever I see your name, I can be at least 50% sure that you're having a pop at me or Dave or both of us. There's only a few of you left and Ragnorak only seems to slag me off in the Cellar now so it's good to see one of you flying the flag upstairs. Anyway, carry on cliche'ing ... ;)

Maybe so but there is a reason for that. I by no means believe Mancini infallible but the endless spinning of media stories to suit your and Dave's agenda is extremely irritating.

I also think you over estimate the support for your mission. While true that the Cabal has grown there are plenty on here who respect what Mancini has achieved and feel that your constant criticism is pretty shabby.

And I should say that does not mean Roberto is beyond criticism and the owners may well agree with you and replace him.

But when you initially labelled him "The Italian" two years ago it has been quite obvious that you have always wanted him gone. Strangely your tirades of late have been a bit more measured.

I wouldnt say two to eight was anything to worry about
And a couple of them have been found out when some of their previous post were highlighted..

If it reaches 30 out of 50'000 start getting worried :)

Thats...1666.6666666666 to 1 against. ;)

Nowt to worry about.

 

[80s Shorts]

There'll be very few smiling when the truth finally does out about Mancini, that's for sure.

Meh, and what? Some hidden truth comes out that paints Mancini to be everything you believe him to be, he leaves/gets sacked, you get to tell people I told you so on the Internet and City get another top class manager who I'll support from day one.
Whatever happens it won't affect me in anyway at all - which funnily enough is the same stance I've held since we sacked the last dozen or so.
I'll always be grateful for the last 3-4 years, wherever you credit Mancini for any of it or reckon its only because of the cash, it makes no difference to me. I've felt highs that I never felt possible watching City and when all is said and done I'm willing to give credit for Mancini's part in that - if others don't that's their prerogative.

You overestimate the meaning of what I've posted. Firstly, I could give less of a fuck about the internet and what people think about who's right and who's wrong. My general opinion of Mancini in face of some of the shite i've been called should bare testament to that. I've never said that Mancini shouldn't be given credit for his part in everything we've achieved with him at the helm. I simply take the opinion that once he's gone, there'll be a more objective way from both sides to view the good he did and the bad he did. My opinion is that when that happens for all the good he's praised for, there'll be all manner of things which will dismay and disgust and overall everyone will agree sacking him was the best thing to do.

Maybe I'm just trying to justify my own opinion or trying to create a narrative which suits me. Who knows ... we all do that on forums to some extent.

LOL

 

[samharris]

Meh, and what? Some hidden truth comes out that paints Mancini to be everything you believe him to be, he leaves/gets sacked, you get to tell people I told you so on the Internet and City get another top class manager who I'll support from day one.
Whatever happens it won't affect me in anyway at all - which funnily enough is the same stance I've held since we sacked the last dozen or so.
I'll always be grateful for the last 3-4 years, wherever you credit Mancini for any of it or reckon its only because of the cash, it makes no difference to me. I've felt highs that I never felt possible watching City and when all is said and done I'm willing to give credit for Mancini's part in that - if others don't that's their prerogative.

You overestimate the meaning of what I've posted. Firstly, I could give less of a fuck about the internet and what people think about who's right and who's wrong. My general opinion of Mancini in face of some of the shite i've been called should bare testament to that. I've never said that Mancini shouldn't be given credit for his part in everything we've achieved with him at the helm. I simply take the opinion that once he's gone, there'll be a more objective way from both sides to view the good he did and the bad he did. My opinion is that when that happens for all the good he's praised for, there'll be all manner of things which will dismay and disgust and overall everyone will agree sacking him was the best thing to do.

Maybe I'm just trying to justify my own opinion or trying to create a narrative which suits me. Who knows ... we all do that on forums to some extent.

LOL

I wonder if Bob's a fudgepacker or sommat ??

 

[andyhinch]

Meh, and what? Some hidden truth comes out that paints Mancini to be everything you believe him to be, he leaves/gets sacked, you get to tell people I told you so on the Internet and City get another top class manager who I'll support from day one.
Whatever happens it won't affect me in anyway at all - which funnily enough is the same stance I've held since we sacked the last dozen or so.
I'll always be grateful for the last 3-4 years, wherever you credit Mancini for any of it or reckon its only because of the cash, it makes no difference to me. I've felt highs that I never felt possible watching City and when all is said and done I'm willing to give credit for Mancini's part in that - if others don't that's their prerogative.

You overestimate the meaning of what I've posted. Firstly, I could give less of a fuck about the internet and what people think about who's right and who's wrong. My general opinion of Mancini in face of some of the shite i've been called should bare testament to that. I've never said that Mancini shouldn't be given credit for his part in everything we've achieved with him at the helm. I simply take the opinion that once he's gone, there'll be a more objective way from both sides to view the good he did and the bad he did. My opinion is that when that happens for all the good he's praised for, there'll be all manner of things which will dismay and disgust and overall everyone will agree sacking him was the best thing to do.

Maybe I'm just trying to justify my own opinion or trying to create a narrative which suits me. Who knows ... we all do that on forums to some extent.

LOL

It's the mind readers and hissy fit thread:)

 

[BlueAnorak]

Whether you want him in or out comes down to where you personally set your expectations and how closely you follow and buy in to the Media. But ultimately it's down the Chairman who thus far has taken a very measured approach in building the club.

According to the press, with all of the money we have spent (like no other team spends money(!)), we should win every match and collect every cup. When we inevitably fall short due to the team being made up of human beings, the press, the tv media and a number of fans call for the manager's head and whip themselves up into a frenzy saying it's not acceptable for the owners and Mancini will be gone in the summer (like they know).

If we were to take a more measured look then the money we have spent has brought us closer to an even footing as the rest of the top teams in the Prem and Europe, however we don't yet have the aura of a superpower team and the lesser teams don't yet play with the same fear factor that they do when visiting Old Toilet (a point i think is also relevant to referees too).

My personal point of view is that with Mancini we have won the FA Cup, won the Premier League (does it get any better than last season?!) and won the Community Shield. We are in the semi of the FA Cup and have a good chance of winning that too this season. The scum have had an unusually successful league campaign (i think due to the fear factor that their manager and team imposes on opponents) and we are trailing them in second place. Mancini will have learnt a lot from this season and i can only see improvement next year.

When you factor in the frustration in the transfer market in the summer, how we ended up becoming weaker and taking a punt on the likes of Rodwell and Garcia rather than more established first team players, how we lost out on van Pussy and how the team had to cope with Balotelli and his wandering mind, Dzeko and his lack of quality and consistency, with Aguero and his injury and marital problems and Tevez and his finishing problems. When you also accept that we could barely have had a more challenging Champion's League qualifying group then how you can lay the blame squarely on the manager being the root cause of us not winning the league, especially when you factor in circumstance then i think that your expectations are set too high.

Nobody really knows what Sheikh Mansour really thinks and how adaptable he actually is. He may have set out to retain the league at the start of the season, he may not, but if we do win the FA Cup and finish runners up in the league then i would be surprised if they will sack a manager who was not supported in the transfer market and who was given a 5 year contract last summer.
As we've heard so often, we are in the early stages of a project for world domination - if this is the case, then why sack a manager for not achieving the Media's short term targets?

Good post. Just to emphasise one of the points above, the following people would have change their mind for Sheikh Mansour to sack Roberto:
[1] Khaldoon Khalifa Al Mubarak - Chairman.
[2] Simon Pearce - The power behind the throne. He was the man who chose City for the Sheikh and did most of the negotiations to buy the club.
Both are long term management types and they're trusted by the Sheikh so I would say the chance of Roberto getting the push from City are practically ZERO - especially as they approved the new 5 year contract for Roberto.
(Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain will have a say in who any new guy is but no say at all in dismissing the manager - not for years till they are fully assimilated into the Abu Dhabhi way of doing things.)

Roberto could throw the toys out of the pram and resign of course but that is unlikely. Not till the end of the season after next anyway.

Enjoy your Mancini thread fun till then. I recon it will be tens of thousands pages long by then.

 

[andyhinch]

Whether you want him in or out comes down to where you personally set your expectations and how closely you follow and buy in to the Media. But ultimately it's down the Chairman who thus far has taken a very measured approach in building the club.

According to the press, with all of the money we have spent (like no other team spends money(!)), we should win every match and collect every cup. When we inevitably fall short due to the team being made up of human beings, the press, the tv media and a number of fans call for the manager's head and whip themselves up into a frenzy saying it's not acceptable for the owners and Mancini will be gone in the summer (like they know).

If we were to take a more measured look then the money we have spent has brought us closer to an even footing as the rest of the top teams in the Prem and Europe, however we don't yet have the aura of a superpower team and the lesser teams don't yet play with the same fear factor that they do when visiting Old Toilet (a point i think is also relevant to referees too).

My personal point of view is that with Mancini we have won the FA Cup, won the Premier League (does it get any better than last season?!) and won the Community Shield. We are in the semi of the FA Cup and have a good chance of winning that too this season. The scum have had an unusually successful league campaign (i think due to the fear factor that their manager and team imposes on opponents) and we are trailing them in second place. Mancini will have learnt a lot from this season and i can only see improvement next year.

When you factor in the frustration in the transfer market in the summer, how we ended up becoming weaker and taking a punt on the likes of Rodwell and Garcia rather than more established first team players, how we lost out on van Pussy and how the team had to cope with Balotelli and his wandering mind, Dzeko and his lack of quality and consistency, with Aguero and his injury and marital problems and Tevez and his finishing problems. When you also accept that we could barely have had a more challenging Champion's League qualifying group then how you can lay the blame squarely on the manager being the root cause of us not winning the league, especially when you factor in circumstance then i think that your expectations are set too high.

Nobody really knows what Sheikh Mansour really thinks and how adaptable he actually is. He may have set out to retain the league at the start of the season, he may not, but if we do win the FA Cup and finish runners up in the league then i would be surprised if they will sack a manager who was not supported in the transfer market and who was given a 5 year contract last summer.
As we've heard so often, we are in the early stages of a project for world domination - if this is the case, then why sack a manager for not achieving the Media's short term targets?

Good post. Just to emphasise one of the points above, the following people would have change their mind for Sheikh Mansour to sack Roberto:
[1] Khaldoon Khalifa Al Mubarak - Chairman.
[2] Simon Pearce - The power behind the throne. He was the man who chose City for the Sheikh and did most of the negotiations to buy the club.
Both are long term management types and they're trusted by the Sheikh so I would say the chance of Roberto getting the push from City are practically ZERO - especially as they approved the new 5 year contract for Roberto.
(Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain will have a say in who any new guy is but no say at all in dismissing the manager - not for years till they are fully assimilated into the Abu Dhabhi way of doing things.)

Roberto could throw the toys out of the pram and resign of course but that is unlikely. Not till the end of the season after next anyway.

Enjoy your Mancini thread fun till then. I recon it will be tens of thousands pages long by then.

Depressing

 

[Blue Mooner]

Whether you want him in or out comes down to where you personally set your expectations and how closely you follow and buy in to the Media. But ultimately it's down the Chairman who thus far has taken a very measured approach in building the club.

According to the press, with all of the money we have spent (like no other team spends money(!)), we should win every match and collect every cup. When we inevitably fall short due to the team being made up of human beings, the press, the tv media and a number of fans call for the manager's head and whip themselves up into a frenzy saying it's not acceptable for the owners and Mancini will be gone in the summer (like they know).

If we were to take a more measured look then the money we have spent has brought us closer to an even footing as the rest of the top teams in the Prem and Europe, however we don't yet have the aura of a superpower team and the lesser teams don't yet play with the same fear factor that they do when visiting Old Toilet (a point i think is also relevant to referees too).

My personal point of view is that with Mancini we have won the FA Cup, won the Premier League (does it get any better than last season?!) and won the Community Shield. We are in the semi of the FA Cup and have a good chance of winning that too this season. The scum have had an unusually successful league campaign (i think due to the fear factor that their manager and team imposes on opponents) and we are trailing them in second place. Mancini will have learnt a lot from this season and i can only see improvement next year.

When you factor in the frustration in the transfer market in the summer, how we ended up becoming weaker and taking a punt on the likes of Rodwell and Garcia rather than more established first team players, how we lost out on van Pussy and how the team had to cope with Balotelli and his wandering mind, Dzeko and his lack of quality and consistency, with Aguero and his injury and marital problems and Tevez and his finishing problems. When you also accept that we could barely have had a more challenging Champion's League qualifying group then how you can lay the blame squarely on the manager being the root cause of us not winning the league, especially when you factor in circumstance then i think that your expectations are set too high.

Nobody really knows what Sheikh Mansour really thinks and how adaptable he actually is. He may have set out to retain the league at the start of the season, he may not, but if we do win the FA Cup and finish runners up in the league then i would be surprised if they will sack a manager who was not supported in the transfer market and who was given a 5 year contract last summer.
As we've heard so often, we are in the early stages of a project for world domination - if this is the case, then why sack a manager for not achieving the Media's short term targets?

Good post. Just to emphasise one of the points above, the following people would have change their mind for Sheikh Mansour to sack Roberto:
[1] Khaldoon Khalifa Al Mubarak - Chairman.
[2] Simon Pearce - The power behind the throne. He was the man who chose City for the Sheikh and did most of the negotiations to buy the club.
Both are long term management types and they're trusted by the Sheikh so I would say the chance of Roberto getting the push from City are practically ZERO - especially as they approved the new 5 year contract for Roberto.
(Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain will have a say in who any new guy is but no say at all in dismissing the manager - not for years till they are fully assimilated into the Abu Dhabhi way of doing things.)

Roberto could throw the toys out of the pram and resign of course but that is unlikely. Not till the end of the season after next anyway.

Enjoy your Mancini thread fun till then. I recon it will be tens of thousands pages long by then.

Agreed, make no bones about it, having the money was one thing, but lets not forget our competitors have spent significantly too but from a much stronger base. To actually break the long held hoodoo of us having not won anything for 35 years was monumental, to break the cartel of the top 4 was monumental, to then finish above the rags after 19 titles was monumental, there were psychological barriers to overcome as well as other hurdles such as an overbearing governing body that also seeks to protect those interests. Mancini was the man that achieved this as the figurehead alongside the support from the coaching staff and Gary Cooke for getting great players to believe in the vision.

Not only has Mancini transformed the team, he has transformed the mentality of the whole club (notable exceptions amongst our fan base). This season has seen a slight correction but we will come back bigger and better next season and continuity is what is required.

You can pick holes in some of Mancini's approaches but when taken in the whole he has transformed this team.

That is why I find this whole thread frankly laughable and it is without doubt a small but determined cabal and you really have to question why they pursue Mancini with such zeal.

 

[LoveCity]

I think the power and influence that will be awarded to Txiki Begiristain is being underestimated in the above. He isn't called the "kingmaker" for nothing, our club wants to be like Barcelona and with that has to come a similar structure or else we remain Chelsea mkII with too much inconsistency and not enough continuity (Chelsea's NextGen coach has been complaining that the club doesn't give their kids chances - they have an amazing academy at the moment and no one is getting a chance). The whole point of a Director of Football and the model we've adopted is to give the guy great influence over all matters of football. Like this, if true: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2298107/Txiki-Begiristain-influence-causes-rift-Manchester-City.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -City.html</a>

And you don't bring in possibly the most coveted DoF on the continent if you're going to strip him of the powers that make him so effective. This is the man who had the balls to push for Rijkaard - previously a managerial failure - and who some years later felt Rijkaard had done all he could and urged Barcelona to snub the world's most sought after manager Mourinho for their reserve team manager Pep. In building a continuity and ethos throughout the club, the DoF wants/needs a first-team manager suited to it and has a huge say on who that is at any other club. Even that imbecile at Chelsea, Michael Emenalo, got Benitez appointed.