Mancini

[Marvin]

I think the power and influence that will be awarded to Txiki Begiristain is being underestimated in the above. He isn't called the "kingmaker" for nothing, our club wants to be like Barcelona and with that has to come a similar structure or else we remain Chelsea mkII with too much inconsistency and not enough continuity (Chelsea's NextGen coach has been complaining that the club doesn't give their kids chances - they have an amazing academy at the moment and no one is getting a chance). The whole point of a Director of Football and the model we've adopted is to give the guy great influence over all matters of football. Like this, if true: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2298107/Txiki-Begiristain-influence-causes-rift-Manchester-City.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -City.html</a>

And you don't bring in possibly the most coveted DoF on the continent if you're going to strip him of the powers that make him so effective. This is the man who had the balls to push for Rijkaard - previously a managerial failure - and who some years later felt Rijkaard had done all he could and urged Barcelona to snub the world's most sought after manager Mourinho for their reserve team manager Pep. In building a continuity and ethos throughout the club, the DoF wants/needs a first-team manager suited to it and has a huge say on who that is at any other club. Even that imbecile at Chelsea, Michael Emenalo, got Benitez appointed.

Maybe, but I see no reason that Mancini can not work with his DoF. The cabal are blessed with many powers, but mind-reading is not one of them

 

[LoveCity]

I think the power and influence that will be awarded to Txiki Begiristain is being underestimated in the above. He isn't called the "kingmaker" for nothing, our club wants to be like Barcelona and with that has to come a similar structure or else we remain Chelsea mkII with too much inconsistency and not enough continuity (Chelsea's NextGen coach has been complaining that the club doesn't give their kids chances - they have an amazing academy at the moment and no one is getting a chance). The whole point of a Director of Football and the model we've adopted is to give the guy great influence over all matters of football. Like this, if true: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2298107/Txiki-Begiristain-influence-causes-rift-Manchester-City.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -City.html</a>

And you don't bring in possibly the most coveted DoF on the continent if you're going to strip him of the powers that make him so effective. This is the man who had the balls to push for Rijkaard - previously a managerial failure - and who some years later felt Rijkaard had done all he could and urged Barcelona to snub the world's most sought after manager Mourinho for their reserve team manager Pep. In building a continuity and ethos throughout the club, the DoF wants/needs a first-team manager suited to it and has a huge say on who that is at any other club. Even that imbecile at Chelsea, Michael Emenalo, got Benitez appointed.

Maybe, but I see no reason that Mancini can not work with his DoF. The cabal are blessed with many powers, but mind-reading is not one of them

I'll be very surprised if Mancini can work hand-in-hand with Begiristain but we'll see. For this model to work they have to be on the same page so much that it almost becomes (for example) "Mancini and Begiristain vs. Ferguson". Mancini lusts for as much control as he can get, the very opposite of what this system is about. In a DoF system the manager is paid to manage the players, that's it. He'll might get a list of 3 players for a position and will discuss with the DoF which we should sign where they decide on the right man. If he doesn't like any of them, tough, he has to agree to one and this is where his confrontational style could be a problem because he wants power and has said as much himself. He wants Ferguson level power but Ferguson is an anomaly, even Wenger doesn't have that sort of power.

 

[Bluemoon115]

I think the power and influence that will be awarded to Txiki Begiristain is being underestimated in the above. He isn't called the "kingmaker" for nothing, our club wants to be like Barcelona and with that has to come a similar structure or else we remain Chelsea mkII with too much inconsistency and not enough continuity (Chelsea's NextGen coach has been complaining that the club doesn't give their kids chances - they have an amazing academy at the moment and no one is getting a chance). The whole point of a Director of Football and the model we've adopted is to give the guy great influence over all matters of football. Like this, if true: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2298107/Txiki-Begiristain-influence-causes-rift-Manchester-City.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -City.html</a>

And you don't bring in possibly the most coveted DoF on the continent if you're going to strip him of the powers that make him so effective. This is the man who had the balls to push for Rijkaard - previously a managerial failure - and who some years later felt Rijkaard had done all he could and urged Barcelona to snub the world's most sought after manager Mourinho for their reserve team manager Pep. In building a continuity and ethos throughout the club, the DoF wants/needs a first-team manager suited to it and has a huge say on who that is at any other club. Even that imbecile at Chelsea, Michael Emenalo, got Benitez appointed.

Maybe, but I see no reason that Mancini can not work with his DoF. The cabal are blessed with many powers, but mind-reading is not one of them

His constant blaming of everyone who isn't Mancini suggests he can't.

 

[BobKowalski]

I think the power and influence that will be awarded to Txiki Begiristain is being underestimated in the above. He isn't called the "kingmaker" for nothing, our club wants to be like Barcelona and with that has to come a similar structure or else we remain Chelsea mkII with too much inconsistency and not enough continuity (Chelsea's NextGen coach has been complaining that the club doesn't give their kids chances - they have an amazing academy at the moment and no one is getting a chance). The whole point of a Director of Football and the model we've adopted is to give the guy great influence over all matters of football. Like this, if true: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2298107/Txiki-Begiristain-influence-causes-rift-Manchester-City.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -City.html</a>

And you don't bring in possibly the most coveted DoF on the continent if you're going to strip him of the powers that make him so effective. This is the man who had the balls to push for Rijkaard - previously a managerial failure - and who some years later felt Rijkaard had done all he could and urged Barcelona to snub the world's most sought after manager Mourinho for their reserve team manager Pep. In building a continuity and ethos throughout the club, the DoF wants/needs a first-team manager suited to it and has a huge say on who that is at any other club. Even that imbecile at Chelsea, Michael Emenalo, got Benitez appointed.

Maybe, but I see no reason that Mancini can not work with his DoF. The cabal are blessed with many powers, but mind-reading is not one of them

Maybe he can. Maybe he can't. We have no idea what either Ferran or Txiki actually think about Roberto. We have no idea how the appointments of Ferran & Txiki unsettled the coaching or playing staff this season given the continuous speculation over both. More than likely irrespective of any potential unsettling factor such appointments were deemed necessary for the long term future.

Fact is as in previous seasons with endless speculation over the managers position - albeit last season was about Mancini leaving rather getting the sack - we have no idea what the decision makers are really thinking or what plans they have for the summer.

Hell we don't even really know how the hierarchy works or who is in charge of who. All we do is guess, speculate and then for the most part argue our case based on what we want to happen rather what will likely happen. That we can get 600+ pages on here with nothing more then our best guess is a testament to our stamina and dedication.

Makes you proud in a way :)

 

[Bluemoon115]

I think the power and influence that will be awarded to Txiki Begiristain is being underestimated in the above. He isn't called the "kingmaker" for nothing, our club wants to be like Barcelona and with that has to come a similar structure or else we remain Chelsea mkII with too much inconsistency and not enough continuity (Chelsea's NextGen coach has been complaining that the club doesn't give their kids chances - they have an amazing academy at the moment and no one is getting a chance). The whole point of a Director of Football and the model we've adopted is to give the guy great influence over all matters of football. Like this, if true: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2298107/Txiki-Begiristain-influence-causes-rift-Manchester-City.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -City.html</a>

And you don't bring in possibly the most coveted DoF on the continent if you're going to strip him of the powers that make him so effective. This is the man who had the balls to push for Rijkaard - previously a managerial failure - and who some years later felt Rijkaard had done all he could and urged Barcelona to snub the world's most sought after manager Mourinho for their reserve team manager Pep. In building a continuity and ethos throughout the club, the DoF wants/needs a first-team manager suited to it and has a huge say on who that is at any other club. Even that imbecile at Chelsea, Michael Emenalo, got Benitez appointed.

Maybe, but I see no reason that Mancini can not work with his DoF. The cabal are blessed with many powers, but mind-reading is not one of them

Maybe he can. Maybe he can't. We have no idea what either Ferran or Txiki actually think about Roberto. We have no idea how the appointments of Ferran & Txiki unsettled the coaching or playing staff this season given the continuous speculation over both. More than likely irrespective of any potential unsettling factor such appointments were deemed necessary for the long term future.

Fact is as in previous seasons with endless speculation over the managers position - albeit last season was about Mancini leaving rather getting the sack - we have no idea what the decision makers are really thinking or what plans they have for the summer.

Hell we don't even really know how the hierarchy works or who is in charge of who. All we do is guess, speculate and then for the most part argue our case based on what we want to happen rather what will likely happen. That we can get 600+ pages on here with nothing more then our best guess is a testament to our stamina and dedication.

Makes you proud in a way :)

It certainly passes the time.

 

[robbieh]

I think the power and influence that will be awarded to Txiki Begiristain is being underestimated in the above. He isn't called the "kingmaker" for nothing, our club wants to be like Barcelona and with that has to come a similar structure or else we remain Chelsea mkII with too much inconsistency and not enough continuity (Chelsea's NextGen coach has been complaining that the club doesn't give their kids chances - they have an amazing academy at the moment and no one is getting a chance). The whole point of a Director of Football and the model we've adopted is to give the guy great influence over all matters of football. Like this, if true: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2298107/Txiki-Begiristain-influence-causes-rift-Manchester-City.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -City.html</a>

And you don't bring in possibly the most coveted DoF on the continent if you're going to strip him of the powers that make him so effective. This is the man who had the balls to push for Rijkaard - previously a managerial failure - and who some years later felt Rijkaard had done all he could and urged Barcelona to snub the world's most sought after manager Mourinho for their reserve team manager Pep. In building a continuity and ethos throughout the club, the DoF wants/needs a first-team manager suited to it and has a huge say on who that is at any other club. Even that imbecile at Chelsea, Michael Emenalo, got Benitez appointed.

Maybe, but I see no reason that Mancini can not work with his DoF. The cabal are blessed with many powers, but mind-reading is not one of them

Maybe he can. Maybe he can't. We have no idea what either Ferran or Txiki actually think about Roberto. We have no idea how the appointments of Ferran & Txiki unsettled the coaching or playing staff this season given the continuous speculation over both. More than likely irrespective of any potential unsettling factor such appointments were deemed necessary for the long term future.

Fact is as in previous seasons with endless speculation over the managers position - albeit last season was about Mancini leaving rather getting the sack - we have no idea what the decision makers are really thinking or what plans they have for the summer.

Hell we don't even really know how the hierarchy works or who is in charge of who. All we do is guess, speculate and then for the most part argue our case based on what we want to happen rather what will likely happen. That we can get 600+ pages on here with nothing more then our best guess is a testament to our stamina and dedication.

Makes you proud in a way :)

If only Nasri showed the same desire and commitment.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I think the power and influence that will be awarded to Txiki Begiristain is being underestimated in the above. He isn't called the "kingmaker" for nothing, our club wants to be like Barcelona and with that has to come a similar structure or else we remain Chelsea mkII with too much inconsistency and not enough continuity (Chelsea's NextGen coach has been complaining that the club doesn't give their kids chances - they have an amazing academy at the moment and no one is getting a chance). The whole point of a Director of Football and the model we've adopted is to give the guy great influence over all matters of football. Like this, if true: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2298107/Txiki-Begiristain-influence-causes-rift-Manchester-City.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -City.html</a>

And you don't bring in possibly the most coveted DoF on the continent if you're going to strip him of the powers that make him so effective. This is the man who had the balls to push for Rijkaard - previously a managerial failure - and who some years later felt Rijkaard had done all he could and urged Barcelona to snub the world's most sought after manager Mourinho for their reserve team manager Pep. In building a continuity and ethos throughout the club, the DoF wants/needs a first-team manager suited to it and has a huge say on who that is at any other club. Even that imbecile at Chelsea, Michael Emenalo, got Benitez appointed.

Maybe, but I see no reason that Mancini can not work with his DoF. The cabal are blessed with many powers, but mind-reading is not one of them

Maybe he can. Maybe he can't. We have no idea what either Ferran or Txiki actually think about Roberto. We have no idea how the appointments of Ferran & Txiki unsettled the coaching or playing staff this season given the continuous speculation over both. More than likely irrespective of any potential unsettling factor such appointments were deemed necessary for the long term future.

Fact is as in previous seasons with endless speculation over the managers position - albeit last season was about Mancini leaving rather getting the sack - we have no idea what the decision makers are really thinking or what plans they have for the summer.

Hell we don't even really know how the hierarchy works or who is in charge of who. All we do is guess, speculate and then for the most part argue our case based on what we want to happen rather what will likely happen. That we can get 600+ pages on here with nothing more then our best guess is a testament to our stamina and dedication.

Makes you proud in a way :)

Which would be great if only you weren't just speaking for yourself.

 

[Phil1]

I think the power and influence that will be awarded to Txiki Begiristain is being underestimated in the above. He isn't called the "kingmaker" for nothing, our club wants to be like Barcelona and with that has to come a similar structure or else we remain Chelsea mkII with too much inconsistency and not enough continuity (Chelsea's NextGen coach has been complaining that the club doesn't give their kids chances - they have an amazing academy at the moment and no one is getting a chance). The whole point of a Director of Football and the model we've adopted is to give the guy great influence over all matters of football. Like this, if true: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2298107/Txiki-Begiristain-influence-causes-rift-Manchester-City.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -City.html</a>

And you don't bring in possibly the most coveted DoF on the continent if you're going to strip him of the powers that make him so effective. This is the man who had the balls to push for Rijkaard - previously a managerial failure - and who some years later felt Rijkaard had done all he could and urged Barcelona to snub the world's most sought after manager Mourinho for their reserve team manager Pep. In building a continuity and ethos throughout the club, the DoF wants/needs a first-team manager suited to it and has a huge say on who that is at any other club. Even that imbecile at Chelsea, Michael Emenalo, got Benitez appointed.

Maybe, but I see no reason that Mancini can not work with his DoF. The cabal are blessed with many powers, but mind-reading is not one of them

His constant blaming of everyone who isn't Mancini suggests he can't.

It's not constant though is it? Half a dozen times in 3 and half years isn't as terrible as a few would like to convey.
You make him out to be some spoilt little kid whereas I see it as a manager speaking out when he feels the need to - some times the end results are more successful than others. I don't think it's a trait that should be lambasted as much as it is by a few on here, but each to their own and all that.

 

[BobKowalski]

I think the power and influence that will be awarded to Txiki Begiristain is being underestimated in the above. He isn't called the "kingmaker" for nothing, our club wants to be like Barcelona and with that has to come a similar structure or else we remain Chelsea mkII with too much inconsistency and not enough continuity (Chelsea's NextGen coach has been complaining that the club doesn't give their kids chances - they have an amazing academy at the moment and no one is getting a chance). The whole point of a Director of Football and the model we've adopted is to give the guy great influence over all matters of football. Like this, if true: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2298107/Txiki-Begiristain-influence-causes-rift-Manchester-City.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -City.html</a>

And you don't bring in possibly the most coveted DoF on the continent if you're going to strip him of the powers that make him so effective. This is the man who had the balls to push for Rijkaard - previously a managerial failure - and who some years later felt Rijkaard had done all he could and urged Barcelona to snub the world's most sought after manager Mourinho for their reserve team manager Pep. In building a continuity and ethos throughout the club, the DoF wants/needs a first-team manager suited to it and has a huge say on who that is at any other club. Even that imbecile at Chelsea, Michael Emenalo, got Benitez appointed.

Maybe, but I see no reason that Mancini can not work with his DoF. The cabal are blessed with many powers, but mind-reading is not one of them

I'll be very surprised if Mancini can work hand-in-hand with Begiristain but we'll see. For this model to work they have to be on the same page so much that it almost becomes (for example) "Mancini and Begiristain vs. Ferguson". Mancini lusts for as much control as he can get, the very opposite of what this system is about. In a DoF system the manager is paid to manage the players, that's it. He'll might get a list of 3 players for a position and will discuss with the DoF which we should sign where they decide on the right man. If he doesn't like any of them, tough, he has to agree to one and this is where his confrontational style could be a problem because he wants power and has said as much himself. He wants Ferguson level power but Ferguson is an anomaly, even Wenger doesn't have that sort of power.

Yep. That would be the smart money bet based on what we do know of the characters involved. Or at least think we know.

 

[andyhinch]

Maybe, but I see no reason that Mancini can not work with his DoF. The cabal are blessed with many powers, but mind-reading is not one of them

Maybe he can. Maybe he can't. We have no idea what either Ferran or Txiki actually think about Roberto. We have no idea how the appointments of Ferran & Txiki unsettled the coaching or playing staff this season given the continuous speculation over both. More than likely irrespective of any potential unsettling factor such appointments were deemed necessary for the long term future.

Fact is as in previous seasons with endless speculation over the managers position - albeit last season was about Mancini leaving rather getting the sack - we have no idea what the decision makers are really thinking or what plans they have for the summer.

Hell we don't even really know how the hierarchy works or who is in charge of who. All we do is guess, speculate and then for the most part argue our case based on what we want to happen rather what will likely happen. That we can get 600+ pages on here with nothing more then our best guess is a testament to our stamina and dedication.

Makes you proud in a way :)

Which would be great if only you weren't just speaking for yourself.

Who else are you speaking for?