Mancini

[levets]

They will certainly have an input on Mancini's future; but the decision will be made by the CEO/MD/Chairman or indeed RM himself (which I believe will be the case should he leave).

What will their input be then ?

Not sure of the relevance of Mario to this discussion? He may well have been his favourite player? I have no idea.

The relevance is simply that all through the autumn this board was awash with people saying "only Sheik Mansour will decide Mario's future - he understands what Mario brings to City". In the end it was a footballing decision taken by the technical staff, just as Mancini's future will be decided in that manner.

Help me feel better about the situation?

The ridiculous thing in this whole debate has been the 'dumbing down' of the possible replacements. Mourinho I could understand; and Dave will tell you I have always said this... Even Pep I could understand... But Pellegrini, De Boer, Bielsa, Wenger et al... Ridiculous suggestions; and I'm surprised that anybody could be trying to justify these guys as any improvement upon RM. Even you Billy! ;-)

I've put those two together because you've answered your own question. So you think the only viable candidates to replace Mancini are Mourinho and Pep. It doesn't follow that the people who run the club will feel the same. If anything it's clear that Begeristain isn't afraid of making a big decision and hiring a seeming novice or someone who seemingly doesn't have the cache of the likes of Mourinho.

As for your "dumbing down" comment - i honestly i find it pretty dumb that anyone could assert that Pellegrini, De Boer, Bielsa, and Wenger are ridiculous suggestions. That to me shows the insecurity I'm talking about (one which btw has permeated through this thread). All those managers for various reasons are suited to City. They may not have Mancini's trophies, but they have many qualities which Txiki/City would be looking for.

On the subject of Mancini walking of his own accord. I'm curious as to why this is held up as such a great thing. So lets say that he does walk this summer of his own accord - then what? The list of potential replacements doesn't change just because he's left of his own accord. And there's the rub. You're offended at the discussion of certain names, but you also think it's highly possible that he'll walk.

Firstly I don't know how to quote parts of a post, so you'll have to excuse me on that.

I think their input will be based on the ability to work together going forward.. or not!

Mario, as i said irrelevant. I never gave that any creedence. It is and will be a football matter.. And should always be! I've read posts from people saying Txiki will want somebody he is comfortable with, who will prolong his own tenure!!!! Jesus, we are in the shit if that happens...

Mourinho and Pep.. No, I didn't think that... I said they were the ONLY candidates I could understand being touted as possible replacements.

Insecurity? Not me, maybe other posters? I told you I'm happy with the situation... why would 'I' be insecure?

"They may not have Mancini's trophies, but they have many qualities which Txiki/City would be looking for" Subservience, Gratefulness.. particularly for Txiki. The qualities City would be looking for are somewhat different and revolve around footballing issues.

Mancini walking a great thing?... Not sure that the most successful manager in many a lifetime, walking is a great thing? But hey, what do i know?
What I do know is this was told to me by a former coach at OAFC...
let's see! If he does, then we cross that bridge.. then we see what's available. The names above may then be suitable alternatives...

My point is that they're not at this moment in time.

'Over and out'

 

[Rolee]

You are such a naughty boy.

I don't see it like that. This thread jumped numerous pages the other day based on a supposed Belgian article that our skipper was at odds with the manager.

Vinny can put all that shit to sleep.

I'm not disagreeing with you.

Just pointing out that you have these grenade lobbing moments, which I enjoy.

Grenade lobbing or shit stirring?

Who needs the gutter press when we have our own that will shit stir for them?

 

[moomba]

I do think Kompany missed a trick yesterday to put the recent talk of unease between him and the manager to bed in his expansive interview.

They were inevitable questions to be put to him, considering the reports of the last few days.

The interviewers may well have been briefed beforehand, but if there is no issue, there was no need to keep it off limits.

If there's no issue there's no need to go out of your way to deny there's an issue.

And you can be sure if he did confirm there was no issue this forum would have been full of people saying "well he would say that".

C'mon mate. The supposed discourse has been played out in the national media at the beginning of the week.

Would have been the first question any journo would have been at liberty to ask.

If there is no ongoing issue between the two they can play out what they like in the national media and it doesn't make a bit of difference.


If there is an issue what would be the point in denying it? No-one would believe it and it would just keep the story running.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Khaldoun or Mansour will have the final say on Mancini
Not the spanish boys...

That's completely wrong.

Just as Yaya being sanctioned a new contract came down to Begiristain and Soriano, not Abu Dhabi.

Based on their assessments.

-- Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:06 am --

You are such a naughty boy.

I don't see it like that. This thread jumped numerous pages the other day based on a supposed Belgian article that our skipper was at odds with the manager.

Vinny can put all that shit to sleep.

I tend to agree with you there out owners employ the best and let them run the show

I know the chairman says Sheikh Mansour never misses a game, wherever he is the world.

But I think we need to get out of our heads any image of him or Khaldoon being on the end of a telephone at the drop of a hat.

These guys are making daily decisions that form national policy. Football will no doubt be their release at the end of a hard week.

Sheikh Mansour delegated Khaldoon because of his commitments. Khaldoon is in a very different position than he was when first made chairman, in terms of his busy schedule.

They always pay top dollar, so perhaps they expect people to be empowered and trusted to make the right calls on their behalf.

Begiristain and Soriano will put their recommendations forward on a variety of matters, they would expect the owners to back them.<br /><br />-- Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:22 am --<br /><br />

Khaldoun or Mansour will have the final say on Mancini
Not the spanish boys...

That's completely wrong.

Just as Yaya being sanctioned a new contract came down to Begiristain and Soriano, not Abu Dhabi.

Based on their assessments.

-- Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:06 am --

You are such a naughty boy.

I don't see it like that. This thread jumped numerous pages the other day based on a supposed Belgian article that our skipper was at odds with the manager.

Vinny can put all that shit to sleep.

Did Mancini have any input Re Yaya's contract?

The majority of managers tend never to get involved in that side of things.

I would certainly have expected Mancini to have been consulted when they opened talks six months ago.

Ferguson does likewise, asked a footballing opinion, then lets the money men try and broker.

 

[Anonymous]

I know the chairman says Sheikh Mansour never misses a game, wherever he is the world.

But I think we need to get out of our heads any image of him or Khaldoon being on the end of a telephone at the drop of a hat.

These guys are making daily decisions that form national policy. Football will no doubt be their release at the end of a hard week.

Sheikh Mansour delegated Khaldoon because of his commitments. Khaldoon is in a very different position than he was when first made chairman, in terms of his busy schedule.

They always pay top dollar, so perhaps they expect people to be empowered and trusted to make the right calls on their behalf.

Begiristain and Soriano will put their recommendations forward on a variety of matters, they would expect the owners to back them.

This is the logical reading of the situation for me. All this talk of Txiki and Ferran being subservient to AD in the decision making process seems rather counterproductive. Almost Abramovich'esque in that you put people in positions of power then neuter them.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

If there's no issue there's no need to go out of your way to deny there's an issue.

And you can be sure if he did confirm there was no issue this forum would have been full of people saying "well he would say that".

C'mon mate. The supposed discourse has been played out in the national media at the beginning of the week.

Would have been the first question any journo would have been at liberty to ask.

If there is no ongoing issue between the two they can play out what they like in the national media and it doesn't make a bit of difference.


If there is an issue what would be the point in denying it? No-one would believe it and it would just keep the story running.

Ferguson immediately put to bed the story that Rooney was out the door the other week. We know he's a lying bastard, but he guaranteed he would be playing for him next season.

He knew if he did not do that, it could impact their title run-in.

Vinny: "All this talk of a rift between me and the manager is just rubbish. He is the right man for the job etc."

I think the majority of blues would believe Vinny to be a man of his word, surely?<br /><br />-- Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:33 am --<br /><br />

I don't see it like that. This thread jumped numerous pages the other day based on a supposed Belgian article that our skipper was at odds with the manager.

Vinny can put all that shit to sleep.

I'm not disagreeing with you.

Just pointing out that you have these grenade lobbing moments, which I enjoy.

Grenade lobbing or shit stirring?

Who needs the gutter press when we have our own that will shit stir for them?

You've changed since the days of Grange Hill, mate;)

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

I know the chairman says Sheikh Mansour never misses a game, wherever he is the world.

But I think we need to get out of our heads any image of him or Khaldoon being on the end of a telephone at the drop of a hat.

These guys are making daily decisions that form national policy. Football will no doubt be their release at the end of a hard week.

Sheikh Mansour delegated Khaldoon because of his commitments. Khaldoon is in a very different position than he was when first made chairman, in terms of his busy schedule.

They always pay top dollar, so perhaps they expect people to be empowered and trusted to make the right calls on their behalf.

Begiristain and Soriano will put their recommendations forward on a variety of matters, they would expect the owners to back them.

This is the logical reading of the situation for me. All this talk of Txiki and Ferran being subservient to AD in the decision making process seems rather counterproductive. Almost Abramovich'esque in that you put people in positions of power then neuter them.

You would have to imagine thats why they hired them as they are 2 people you can absolutely trust to do the best for the club with there skills, past, contacts etc
Cook and Marwood would never get the trust/power these 2 will have been given

 

[moomba]

Ferguson immediately put to bed the story that Rooney was out the door the other week. We know he's a lying bastard, but he guaranteed he would be playing for him next season.

He knew if he did not do that, it could impact their title run-in.

Yet we're still seeing stories in the press about Rooney moving to PSG. The latest one yesterday.

Vinny: "All this talk of a rift between me and the manager is just rubbish. He is the right man for the job etc."

I think the majority of blues would believe Vinny to be a man of his word, surely?

The majority would but the majority don't think its an issue worth bothering about as it is.

Personally a player saying there isn't a problem with the manager doesn't convince me that there's not a problem with the manager. In fact I'd wonder why he felt the need to talk about it.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I know the chairman says Sheikh Mansour never misses a game, wherever he is the world.

But I think we need to get out of our heads any image of him or Khaldoon being on the end of a telephone at the drop of a hat.

These guys are making daily decisions that form national policy. Football will no doubt be their release at the end of a hard week.

Sheikh Mansour delegated Khaldoon because of his commitments. Khaldoon is in a very different position than he was when first made chairman, in terms of his busy schedule.

They always pay top dollar, so perhaps they expect people to be empowered and trusted to make the right calls on their behalf.

Begiristain and Soriano will put their recommendations forward on a variety of matters, they would expect the owners to back them.

This is the logical reading of the situation for me. All this talk of Txiki and Ferran being subservient to AD in the decision making process seems rather counterproductive. Almost Abramovich'esque in that you put people in positions of power then neuter them.

You would have to imagine thats why they hired them as they are 2 people you can absolutely trust to do the best for the club with there skills, past, contacts etc
Cook and Marwood would never get the trust/power these 2 will have been given

I do get visions of stuff like this when we talk about Sheikh Mansour, him making all the decisions...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYNUOkqzcVA[/youtube]

 

[Rolee]

C'mon mate. The supposed discourse has been played out in the national media at the beginning of the week.

Would have been the first question any journo would have been at liberty to ask.

If there is no ongoing issue between the two they can play out what they like in the national media and it doesn't make a bit of difference.


If there is an issue what would be the point in denying it? No-one would believe it and it would just keep the story running.

Ferguson immediately put to bed the story that Rooney was out the door the other week. We know he's a lying bastard, but he guaranteed he would be playing for him next season.

He knew if he did not do that, it could impact their title run-in.

Vinny: "All this talk of a rift between me and the manager is just rubbish. He is the right man for the job etc."

I think the majority of blues would believe Vinny to be a man of his word, surely?

-- Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:33 am --

I'm not disagreeing with you.

Just pointing out that you have these grenade lobbing moments, which I enjoy.

Grenade lobbing or shit stirring?

Who needs the gutter press when we have our own that will shit stir for them?

You've changed since the days of Grange Hill, mate;)

Haha