Mancini

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Don't really see that it would make much difference. Bob and the players will want the cup, Bob would be getting a decent payoff. It's no big deal.

Thing is mate, one thing is for sure. There was a big reason for Bob to shoot over to AD seeing as he'd just had a long meeting with Khaldoon post Newcastle game.

I know I'm only guessing and Tolm may be right about a transfer target. I just think it's more likely managerial related.

Rammy, I can see where you are coming from and I would also like it to be the case, but you can't read too much from either side of the argument.

Khaldoon speaking with Mancini came after a resounding win over Newcastle - there must surely have been better opportunities to tell him he was on his way out?

There is a lot of firefighting going on at the moment re Kompany, so maybe Mancini was told to sort it out and calm down his rhetoric.

Perhaps one of our posters in Abu Dhabi can tell us if our owner and Khaldoon were even in the country at the start of the week!

I'll give you my take, though. It was either to meet a summer transfer target/their agent, out there, just like we did with Yaya, Kaka and John Terry.

Or Mancini has been guaranteed by the big boss man himself, his word, that he will not be sacked.

I see no reason whatsoever for Mancini to have spoken later in the week the way he has.

He's talking about transfer funds which need to be spent, players they are already talking to.

I think it's Neymar's people. His third party are ready to sell their 40 per cent stake in the player.

It's possible but if it was a transfer target I'm sure Txiki would've been detailed to make the trip not Mancini, especially on the scale of Neymar.

Txiki has already met Neymar and his old man on a couple of occasions since December.

It is not beyond the realms the manager is also asked to outline his own visions to a prospective target?

He was in Abu Dhabi for three days. That's not a wait outside Sheikh Mansour's office.

That's a business trip.

FFS - Mark Hughes even met Bosco - Kaka's dad in a hotel in Hamburg.

He said 'yes' by the way.

 

[BobKowalski]

There is a lot of firefighting going on at the moment re Kompany, so maybe Mancini was told to sort it out and calm down his rhetoric.

You do know that Mancini is now going to bench Kompany for the derby...

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

The only way to find out if Neymar would succeed or flop would be to try him...

To dispell him before kicking a ball is ludicrous.

The trouble is "trying him" will cost us the better part of £80m (fee and wages). Why take that punt, when there are cheaper, proven alternatives?

 

[SPIDERBOY]

Dunno if there's any truth in this.


Mancini in fresh Roma link
Last Updated: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 11:31

Roberto Mancini flew to Abu Dhabi and Rome last week as rumours about his Manchester City future continue to rumble ahead of the derby.
The Italian's 'secret' trip to Abu Dhabi is reported to have been taken straight after City's 4-0 victory over Newcastle United last week with it claimed that he didn't return to Manchester until Wednesday.

But Mancini was spotted on a flight back from Rome on Wednesday - leading to renewed speculation that the ex-Inter boss is putting plans in place in case the Abu Dhabi United Group give him the sack at the end of the season.

Rumours about potential replacements for Mancini have been rife since City crashed out of the Champions League and lost the home derby to rivals United back in November.

Some sources are claiming that the 48-year-old Italian must oversee a win at Old Trafford on Monday and finish the season with the FA Cup back in City's trophy cabinet in order to preserve his job.

A City spokeswoman confirmed Mancini's trip to Abu Dhabi, but claimed it was just a break and not a journey made at the summons of owner Khaldoon Al Mubarak.

She said: "Roberto was in Abu Dhabi for a long weekend and Khaldoon wasn't there when he went over to my knowledge.

"Roberto wasn't ­summoned and there were no crunch talks."

The Rome trip appears to be without the knowledge of the club and comes less than two months after reports emerged that the Giallorossi were preparing a £4.5m-a-year deal to tempt Mancini back to Serie A.

Mancini watched Roma play Sampdoria a week after they parted company with their coach Zdenek Zeman in February. Veteran coach Aurelio Andreazzoli has been installed at the Olympic Stadium until the end of the season, allowing Roma to wait until the current campaign is over before making a move for a new manager.

 

[adrianr]

His hair alone is reason enough not to go anywhere near.

Couple that with an almost guaranteed disappearance during the winter months of a so called Brazilian superstar and we have yet another transfer disaster waiting in the wings.

No thanks, let him go and light up La Liga!

Massively torn over Neymar. Still don't think there is room for him at Barca, think Real will look elsewhere, but I think he needs a historically 'big' club to feed his ego into becoming the best. If he thinks for a second he's doing us a favour by coming here I think he'll flop. That said, the profile of signing someone like Neymar would be huge, and very much in fitting with the Txiki/Ferran/Ronaldihino model of transformation. I don't think Mancini is the man he needs right now either, very far from it. Maybe I'm selling his mentality short, but I think the first sign of a squabble and he'll be begging for Barca or Chelsea.

He's not a player I think would succeed in the Prem. Overhyped on an epic scale. Would much rather go for Isco, who was excellent against Dortmund the other night, and who would be half the price

I'd not say no to Isco either, but Neymar and Isco are on completely different planets. Now yes, there is a lot of hype surrounding Neymar, but it's not been created by a PR agency. The lad is mentally talented.

Plus as Samharris rightly points out, the only way we're going to find out is if we sign him and try. I'd certainly not want him rocking up at the Rags or Chelsea.

 

[samharris]

The only way to find out if Neymar would succeed or flop would be to try him...

To dispell him before kicking a ball is ludicrous.

The trouble is "trying him" will cost us the better part of £80m (fee and wages). Why take that punt, when there are cheaper, proven alternatives?

Some on here were touting Jovetic,well what I saw of him against England certainly didnt lift my skirt..

Neymar isnt just a name...hes an incredible footballer.

 

[SebastianBlue]

The only way to find out if Neymar would succeed or flop would be to try him...

To dispell him before kicking a ball is ludicrous.

I may be wrong but I don't think anyone is dispelling him. Many of us are just indicating we don't think he would do well in England, or under Mancini, for many reasons.

Honestly, if PSG, Real, or Barça picked him up he would likely thrive and become one of the best players in the world.

 

[blueinsa]

The only way to find out if Neymar would succeed or flop would be to try him...

To dispell him before kicking a ball is ludicrous.

I may be wrong but I don't think anyone is dispelling him. Many of us are just indicating we don't think he would do well in England, or under Mancini, for many reasons.

Honestly, if PSG, Real, or Barça picked him up he would likely thrive and become one of the best players in the world.

The lad needs sangria and paella, not a hollands pie and a pint of Holts.

 

[samharris]

The only way to find out if Neymar would succeed or flop would be to try him...

To dispell him before kicking a ball is ludicrous.

I may be wrong but I don't think anyone is dispelling him. Many of us are just indicating we don't think he would do well in England, or under Mancini, for many reasons.

Honestly, if PSG, Real, or Barça picked him up he would likely thrive and become one of the best players in the world.

surely thinking he wouldnt do well in England or under Mancini is dispelling him ??

 

[SebastianBlue]

Massively torn over Neymar. Still don't think there is room for him at Barca, think Real will look elsewhere, but I think he needs a historically 'big' club to feed his ego into becoming the best. If he thinks for a second he's doing us a favour by coming here I think he'll flop. That said, the profile of signing someone like Neymar would be huge, and very much in fitting with the Txiki/Ferran/Ronaldihino model of transformation. I don't think Mancini is the man he needs right now either, very far from it. Maybe I'm selling his mentality short, but I think the first sign of a squabble and he'll be begging for Barca or Chelsea.

He's not a player I think would succeed in the Prem. Overhyped on an epic scale. Would much rather go for Isco, who was excellent against Dortmund the other night, and who would be half the price

I'd not say no to Isco either, but Neymar and Isco are on completely different planets. Now yes, there is a lot of hype surrounding Neymar, but it's not been created by a PR agency. The lad is mentally talented.

Plus as Samharris rightly points out, the only way we're going to find out is if we sign him and try. I'd certainly not want him rocking up at the Rags or Chelsea.

Still, the point that needs to be made is that Isco has actually competitively, and consistently, played against European club competition and shown that he is a talent. Until Neymar arrives and does the same I think they are on more of a level plain than people think.

Especially if you have watched the Brazilian League.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

There is a lot of firefighting going on at the moment re Kompany, so maybe Mancini was told to sort it out and calm down his rhetoric.

You do know that Mancini is now going to bench Kompany for the derby...

This thread would be a 1000 pages before half-time!

 

[Danamy]

Rammy, I can see where you are coming from and I would also like it to be the case, but you can't read too much from either side of the argument.

Khaldoon speaking with Mancini came after a resounding win over Newcastle - there must surely have been better opportunities to tell him he was on his way out?

There is a lot of firefighting going on at the moment re Kompany, so maybe Mancini was told to sort it out and calm down his rhetoric.

Perhaps one of our posters in Abu Dhabi can tell us if our owner and Khaldoon were even in the country at the start of the week!

I'll give you my take, though. It was either to meet a summer transfer target/their agent, out there, just like we did with Yaya, Kaka and John Terry.

Or Mancini has been guaranteed by the big boss man himself, his word, that he will not be sacked.

I see no reason whatsoever for Mancini to have spoken later in the week the way he has.

He's talking about transfer funds which need to be spent, players they are already talking to.

I think it's Neymar's people. His third party are ready to sell their 40 per cent stake in the player.

It's possible but if it was a transfer target I'm sure Txiki would've been detailed to make the trip not Mancini, especially on the scale of Neymar.

Txiki has already met Neymar and his old man on a couple of occasions since December.

It is not beyond the realms the manager is also asked to outline his own visions to a prospective target?

He was in Abu Dhabi for three days. That's not a wait outside Sheikh Mansour's office.

That's a business trip.

FFS - Mark Hughes even met Bosco - Kaka's dad in a hotel in Hamburg.

He said 'yes' by the way.

You may be right but I'm not buying in to it.

The days of the manager meeting a player/reps went when Ferran and Txiki became involved, that's their job.

Why bring more attention on business by sending Mancini, if Txiki went over we wouldn't be even talking about it?

 

[Skashion]

Meanwhile, downstairs in the refugee thread......

I think they've finally twigged as to how pathetic that thread was making some of them look.

Or you'll find there was an international break and then a 4-0 victory over Newcastle. It'll be back tomorrow if we lose, because that's what it's there for.

 

[SebastianBlue]

The only way to find out if Neymar would succeed or flop would be to try him...

To dispell him before kicking a ball is ludicrous.

I may be wrong but I don't think anyone is dispelling him. Many of us are just indicating we don't think he would do well in England, or under Mancini, for many reasons.

Honestly, if PSG, Real, or Barça picked him up he would likely thrive and become one of the best players in the world.

surely thinking he wouldnt do well in England or under Mancini is dispelling him ??

I guess I have a different understanding of "dispelling". To me, that is saying he would be a flop outright or trying to completely discard him as a hyped talent.

I am not doing that. I am qualifying his reputation with my opinion that he would do well in Spain or France but not England, were the standard of defense is much higher than he has yet played against, where it does not particularly favour technical players (as it does in La Liga), where the weather is nothing like Brasil, and where Mancini is a hard man to get along with when you want to be the center of the universe.

 

[Jack74]

But ferguson is very shrewed on the market usually, and when he can't get his no 1 targets or is told that he can't sign a player...he gets the best out of his current crop of players.

A new manager will obviously want his own players, but we can't keep going out buying clubs best players and paying a fortune to do so.

Falcao's, cavani's and neymars would be brilliant, but how about having one of those with some young talent or shrewed buys? Michu for example.

We have to be very resourceful with our money now, and Mancini for me, isn't resourceful in the transfer market

Spot on Jim Leighton , Liam O Brown , Djemba Djemba , the Italian goalkeeper , that Brazilian I can't remember , Ralph fuckin Milne he is that shrewd he made a fortune 4 them red ***** on these signings

The fact that you can name how many bad signing he has made in god knows how many years backs up my point.

Thanks

Ok Danny Wallace , Neil Webb , Mike fuckin Phelan I can carry on if u want ?

 

[SebastianBlue]

The only way to find out if Neymar would succeed or flop would be to try him...

To dispell him before kicking a ball is ludicrous.

I may be wrong but I don't think anyone is dispelling him. Many of us are just indicating we don't think he would do well in England, or under Mancini, for many reasons.

Honestly, if PSG, Real, or Barça picked him up he would likely thrive and become one of the best players in the world.

The lad needs sangria and paella, not a hollands pie and a pint of Holts.

I'm having paella as we speak...

City could create a paella pie.

 

[BobKowalski]

There is a lot of firefighting going on at the moment re Kompany, so maybe Mancini was told to sort it out and calm down his rhetoric.

You do know that Mancini is now going to bench Kompany for the derby...

This thread would be a 1000 pages before half-time!

Pff it would be a 1000 pages 5 mins after the teams were announced and go nuclear if we lose. Ric would be sobbing in a corner somewhere...

 

[lancs blue]

Spot on Jim Leighton , Liam O Brown , Djemba Djemba , the Italian goalkeeper , that Brazilian I can't remember , Ralph fuckin Milne he is that shrewd he made a fortune 4 them red ***** on these signings

The fact that you can name how many bad signing he has made in god knows how many years backs up my point.

Thanks

Ok Danny Wallace , Neil Webb , Mike fuckin Phelan I can carry on if u want ?

Manucho, Liam Miller, David May, Jonathan Greening...

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I may be wrong but I don't think anyone is dispelling him. Many of us are just indicating we don't think he would do well in England, or under Mancini, for many reasons.

Honestly, if PSG, Real, or Barça picked him up he would likely thrive and become one of the best players in the world.

The lad needs sangria and paella, not a hollands pie and a pint of Holts.

I'm having paella as we speak...


City could create a paella pie.

Haha - paella pie - it's the future!

Before this turns into a transfer topic, I could see plenty of reasons why Neymar is wanted by City.

Take some of the responsibility away from Silva. Selling 100m Brazil shirts with his name on the back and our own Nike deal.

Ronaldinho to Paris/Ronaldo to PSV.

These guys always dip their toe somewhere. His transfer value and wages would be paid back within 12 months on a commercial basis from the Brazilian economy alone.

It's about brand recognition for Abu Dhabi.

 

[samharris]

I may be wrong but I don't think anyone is dispelling him. Many of us are just indicating we don't think he would do well in England, or under Mancini, for many reasons.

Honestly, if PSG, Real, or Barça picked him up he would likely thrive and become one of the best players in the world.

surely thinking he wouldnt do well in England or under Mancini is dispelling him ??

I guess I have a different understanding of "dispelling". To me, that is saying he would be a flop outright or trying to completely discard him as a hyped talent.

I am not doing that. I am qualifying his reputation with my opinion that he would do well in Spain or France but not England, were the standard of defense is much higher than he has yet played against, where it does not particularly favour technical players (as it does in La Liga), where the weather is nothing like Brasil, and where Mancini is a hard man to get along with when you want to be the center of the universe.

No probs..