Mancini

[Jonny Boy]

Absolute classic.

He realised he was not good enough so engineered a way out and in the next line criticise him for thinking a lot of himself.....which one is it?

Yes we threw away a lead. We also lost only five games and finished on 89 points. Funny you use throwing a way a lead as a slight on Mancini but seem to forget the players were the ones on the pitch throwing away the lead.

yeah, sounds back to front - what I mean is that on one hand he had/has - or certainly seemed to have - a highly self-important view of himself to the point of not caring what others think including his players/chairman/auxiliary staff - and then when he meets his limits of ability blames others which does fall in line with someone like that.

He was our manager, I sang his praises every game BUT he was bonkers - look at the way he conducted himself on the side lines - if I was a player trying my best and looked over to my manager to get encouragement/ideas/direction - all too often it was just a bloke going demented. The Tevez saga should never have been made public at Bayern press interview or anywhere...Never!! I was gobsmacked, whether true or not. What I thing to say to the world and disrupt the whole squad. Interesting how not one other player has said a word about it in any detail.

So I can say both things in tandem - even if you don't see the points I'm trying to make - a man can think he's the best and then realise he's not. I guess to take on one of the biggest clubs you gotta have some kind of ego and with that comes flaws

Fair play Jonny Boy you have explained it well. I do not necessarily agree but I do understand what you are getting at. Apologies for acting like a smart arse.
Undoubtedly the guy has a number of flaws but I still find the reaction of some to him as unfathomable.

no worries mate - I like the debate and though I rarely post, I see this as a way for all of to soundboard our feeling and make sense of this mad thing called footy ;)

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Calling someone who posts unsubstantiated gossip a liar gets you banned ? What is this, nursery. Aren't we allowed to upset the sensitive feelings of self aggrandizing fantasists if that's what we think they are

I've nothing against PB he's as much right to his opinion as anyone. But without facts, an opinion is all it is. I don't know if he's ITK or not. What I do know is that a coterie of like minded, prolific posting, sheep like dorks treat his posts like Muslims treat the Koran and that speaks volumes for their poor uninquisitive minds.

PB's last post mentioned "someone at the very top of the club" accusing Mancini of being " a nightmare to work with"

PB then said "people have to accept that"

Why must we accept that ? Name names. Be specific.

If you do work there, grow a pair and name names. In the highly unlikely event of a high ranking superior trawling gossip filled forums for a stick to beat his underlings with and in the even unlikelier event that he can identify them I can't envisage this affecting your job and you shouldn't even have started down this road if it would

Until it's proven it's just internet gossip. For all I know you could be Soriano's tea lady (albeit a Spanish speaking one) and you were serving him his elevenses just after he'd had a fractious conversation with Mancini and was phoning Txiki to tell him what a nightmare Mancini was and you overheard him. Or you could be in the CIA as I alluded to in a previous post.

Seriously though banning someone for disagreeing with your unproven allegations re Mancini is mind boggling to me especially on something as inconsequential as a football forum ffs

Nail on the head.......

If 'Those in the know' name names and be specific, then perhaps their claims will carry more credibility and won't sound like typical internet tittle-tattle......

Personally I couldn't give a rats-arse who liked Mancini or not. He wasn't there to win a popularity contest, he was there to win trophies which he did.

My only response will be the credibility of a manager can be measured in the quality of employment opportunities that are being offered when available for work or when big jobs have been available...

The end of last season, the biggest European management jobs had been available, unfortunately Bobby did not even make any shortlists.. hmm

And your personality quote above - You need people to be fully supporting you to deliver success - so being popular or at least having respect from the people you work with is very important.

1st lesson you will learn in leadership courses -

Real leaders don't go on leadership courses.

We would have followed Mancini in to the trenches on the night Roberto got the GPC to snap at the Etihad.

 

[crystal_mais]

That's utter bollocks crystal mais

There are 101 reasons why manager x might not get jobs a,b or c

Claiming it's because Bobby might have been a meany to the tealady (who shall henceforth be called Prestwich Blue) etc is risible

Believe whatever you want - There are some very good sources of info out there and PB is def one of them. But who gives a fuck whether you believe or not. It's an opinion shared, take it how you want, don't think PB or any of the other ITK's will lose any sleep.

There were some massive jobs there at the end of last season - just the type of jobs he loves and if he is such a trophy magnet, why wouldn't a team employ him. I mean there were at least 5/6 high profile jobs, surely he must have been right for at least one of them. Hmmm just saying

If Mancini was so unpopular with the players, please explain how the likes of Hart, Kompany, Zabaleta, Silva, Tevez, Richards, Clichy, Lescott etc. have played arguably the best football of their careers so far under his management? Because if, as you seem to think , he is a bad manager who was detested by the players, this would correlate with poor performances. But it didn't for the large part.

Don't know maybe you should ask them. There is a certain individual on here who is friends with a couple of them.

If I was a guessing man and I ain't no massive expert in this level of management techniques - Players have Professional Pride, also when things are going well all issues can be put aside - I don't want to go into techniques but there are ways to manage performance from individuals.

These types of management cycles last short periods, Poor Bobby got his 2.5 years out of the majority of the group before the chinks started to appear. People can't stick their heads in the sand an believe it never happened

I never said bad manager, He is good but there are limitations to what he can do - he was given a squad good enough to deliver success, he did it, but his time came to an end and he was moved on.

Sorry got to go - I'm off to practice my Management techniques on my children :)

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Claiming it's because Bobby might have been a meany to the tealady (who shall henceforth be called Prestwich Blue) etc is risible

Prestwich_Blue has posted enough for anyone who is observant to know he's got good contacts at the club. It's ridiculous to take the piss out of him.

Yes and those good contacts will pass on what they wish to spin when they have very willing listeners.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

That's utter bollocks crystal mais

There are 101 reasons why manager x might not get jobs a,b or c

Claiming it's because Bobby might have been a meany to the tealady (who shall henceforth be called Prestwich Blue) etc is risible

Believe whatever you want - There are some very good sources of info out there and PB is def one of them. But who gives a fuck whether you believe or not. It's an opinion shared, take it how you want, don't think PB or any of the other ITK's will lose any sleep.

There were some massive jobs there at the end of last season - just the type of jobs he loves and if he is such a trophy magnet, why wouldn't a team employ him. I mean there were at least 5/6 high profile jobs, surely he must have been right for at least one of them. Hmmm just saying

If Mancini was so unpopular with the players, please explain how the likes of Hart, Kompany, Zabaleta, Silva, Tevez, Richards, Clichy, Lescott etc. have played arguably the best football of their careers so far under his management? Because if, as you seem to think , he is a bad manager who was detested by the players, this would correlate with poor performances. But it didn't for the large part.

He was a very good coach. A lot of players improved out of all recognition under him. But there was a huge difference between 2011/12 and the following season. I often think back to Peter Reid (not that I would in any way compare the two directly as managers). But Reidy was the sort of manager who would come along, effing and blinding, and motivate a team for a while. But then it wore off after a couple of seasons, he fell out with people and they just didn't respond anymore.

Some managers are all stick and no carrot and I think this was Mancini's main failing. He was a great player himself and could get other players playing well. But, unlike Baconface, I suspect he really didn't understand how to take the players with him, while still keeping their respect. He was an autocrat when, these days, you have to be a little bit more than that.

 

[crystal_mais]

Nail on the head.......

If 'Those in the know' name names and be specific, then perhaps their claims will carry more credibility and won't sound like typical internet tittle-tattle......

Personally I couldn't give a rats-arse who liked Mancini or not. He wasn't there to win a popularity contest, he was there to win trophies which he did.

My only response will be the credibility of a manager can be measured in the quality of employment opportunities that are being offered when available for work or when big jobs have been available...

The end of last season, the biggest European management jobs had been available, unfortunately Bobby did not even make any shortlists.. hmm

And your personality quote above - You need people to be fully supporting you to deliver success - so being popular or at least having respect from the people you work with is very important.

1st lesson you will learn in leadership courses -

Real leaders don't go on leadership courses.

We would have followed Mancini in to the trenches on the night Roberto got the GPC to snap at the Etihad.

You sure - a certain Mr Ferguson has been on and delivered Leadership courses - People keep saying he was one of the best

 

[Tim of the Oak]

That's utter bollocks crystal mais

There are 101 reasons why manager x might not get jobs a,b or c

Claiming it's because Bobby might have been a meany to the tealady (who shall henceforth be called Prestwich Blue) etc is risible

Believe whatever you want - There are some very good sources of info out there and PB is def one of them. But who gives a fuck whether you believe or not. It's an opinion shared, take it how you want, don't think PB or any of the other ITK's will lose any sleep.

There were some massive jobs there at the end of last season - just the type of jobs he loves and if he is such a trophy magnet, why wouldn't a team employ him. I mean there were at least 5/6 high profile jobs, surely he must have been right for at least one of them. Hmmm just saying

Have you ever been to Istanbul mate? Spent some time with their biggest companies a few years ago and the Turks are hardly short of cash. There will be big ambitions for Gala and they are doing OK in the CL too.

 

[crystal_mais]

That's utter bollocks crystal mais

There are 101 reasons why manager x might not get jobs a,b or c

Claiming it's because Bobby might have been a meany to the tealady (who shall henceforth be called Prestwich Blue) etc is risible

Believe whatever you want - There are some very good sources of info out there and PB is def one of them. But who gives a fuck whether you believe or not. It's an opinion shared, take it how you want, don't think PB or any of the other ITK's will lose any sleep.

There were some massive jobs there at the end of last season - just the type of jobs he loves and if he is such a trophy magnet, why wouldn't a team employ him. I mean there were at least 5/6 high profile jobs, surely he must have been right for at least one of them. Hmmm just saying

Have you ever been to Istanbul mate? Spent some time with their biggest companies a few years ago and the Turks are hardly short of cash. There will be big ambitions for Gala and they are doing OK in the CL too.

no arguments there - just saying the elite jobs were available he was not considered.

Anyway I'm bored now and I've got 2 kids who are not responding to my autocratic methods, going to have to get holistic with them now

 

[Tim of the Oak]

My only response will be the credibility of a manager can be measured in the quality of employment opportunities that are being offered when available for work or when big jobs have been available...

The end of last season, the biggest European management jobs had been available, unfortunately Bobby did not even make any shortlists.. hmm

And your personality quote above - You need people to be fully supporting you to deliver success - so being popular or at least having respect from the people you work with is very important.

1st lesson you will learn in leadership courses -

Real leaders don't go on leadership courses.

We would have followed Mancini in to the trenches on the night Roberto got the GPC to snap at the Etihad.

You sure - a certain Mr Ferguson has been on and delivered Leadership courses - People keep saying he was one of the best

Nelson Mandela must have been shitting himself before he died that his tiny contribution to the world paled into insignificance alongside Fergie's

 

[ForzaMancini]

Believe whatever you want - There are some very good sources of info out there and PB is def one of them. But who gives a fuck whether you believe or not. It's an opinion shared, take it how you want, don't think PB or any of the other ITK's will lose any sleep.

There were some massive jobs there at the end of last season - just the type of jobs he loves and if he is such a trophy magnet, why wouldn't a team employ him. I mean there were at least 5/6 high profile jobs, surely he must have been right for at least one of them. Hmmm just saying

If Mancini was so unpopular with the players, please explain how the likes of Hart, Kompany, Zabaleta, Silva, Tevez, Richards, Clichy, Lescott etc. have played arguably the best football of their careers so far under his management? Because if, as you seem to think , he is a bad manager who was detested by the players, this would correlate with poor performances. But it didn't for the large part.

He was a very good coach. A lot of players improved out of all recognition under him. But there was a huge difference between 2011/12 and the following season. I often think back to Peter Reid (not that I would in any way compare the two directly as managers). But Reidy was the sort of manager who would come along, effing and blinding, and motivate a team for a while. But then it wore off after a couple of seasons, he fell out with people and they just didn't respond anymore.

Some managers are all stick and no carrot and I think this was Mancini's main failing. He was a great player himself and could get other players playing well. But, unlike Baconface, I suspect he really didn't understand how to take the players with him, while still keeping their respect. He was an autocrat when, these days, you have to be a little bit more than that.

Thanks for that, relatively hard to argue against. I agree his style may only be effective for the short-term but others do seem to seriously underrate his managerial ability - at every club he has managed he has delivered success of varying degrees thus far.